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  1. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

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    Just planting seeds ,so if you disagree it's all good.

    THREE EARTH AGES

    In Jesus name we ask you Father for wisdom and understanding your truth about the three Earth Ages, Amen.

    I'm sure many, many people do not know that there are three Earth and Heaven ages or eons of time. One Earth and one Heaven however three earth and heaven ages.

    To understand the Bible it is very important to learn about the ages because it will help you to understand God's plan for mankind as to where we came from, how or why we came to be in these flesh bodies, and what the future will be for us from the plan of God.

    The Bible is just not about stories written a long time ago. The Bible also tells us about a plan that our Father has for us from the beginning of this second earth age or from the foundation of this world age.

    I always wondered where, why, and how I got to be in this flesh body and never believed I came from an Ape, so I finally found the answers from the Living word of Jesus Christ, the Bible, the word of God. And through the Holy Spirit He opened my eyes and I finally found peace and the truth of what I was looking for on this subject.

    Is it the same for you? Did you always feel there was more to God's word then you were taught? If so, please forget everything you ever heard about this subject for awhile and start as a babe seeking knowledge and truth for the first time. Then ask your Heavenly Father for wisdom and understanding in Jesus name, then you can make your own mind up as to what you believe.

    Eph.3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ.
    Eph.3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
     
  2. n2thelight

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    We will start on the first Earth Age because it is hard to keep the Earth Ages separate by Scripture however, all three will be talked about.

    The first Earth Age in spiritual bodies

    Gen 1:1 In the beginning God (elohiym = the one true God.) created the heaven (shamayim) and the earth.(erets)
    Verse 1 states that "In the beginning God created Heaven and Earth".

    Now ask yourself when was the beginning of Heaven and Earth? The answer to this question is the key to learning God's word. You must know the beginning you can understand the end.

    So let's start by finding out when the beginning of the world started.


    1. In the beginning - Now, when was the beginning of Heaven and Earth? Many think the beginning was about 6,ooo years ago because the Bible begins about 6,000 years ago.

    This is not true as you will see because the beginning started billions of years ago. The Strong's concordance states that the word beginning "Hebrew number H7223 ri'shown = rē·shone" means first, former, former things, beginning, before, old time, foremost, aforetime.

    So we do not know when the beginning was because a date is not given, so the first verse in the Bible does not tell us when the beginning was.

    2. now for the word "created" this word means "H1254 - bara'to create, shape, form (Qal) to shape, fashion, create (always with God as subject). So God shaped, fashioned, and created the Heaven and the Earth. Again, no date is given.


    3. heaven = H8064( heaven, heavens, sky, as the visible universe, the sky, atmosphere, etc. Heaven (as the abode of God).

    4. earth = H776 - 'erets land, earth, whole earth (as opposed to a part) earth (as opposed to heaven) )earth (inhabitants).

    What does all this mean? "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"Period". So we do not know when God created the Heavens and this planet, nor do we know exactly how old the earth is however, we know from Technology, Science,Geology, and whatever, this Earth is billions of years old or Eons of time.

    The statement below is from the leading scientist about how old this Earth is. You can also do a study yourself on the net about how old the Earth is.
    It is theorized that the true age of the earth is about 4.6 billion years old, formed at about the same time as the rest of our solar system. The oldest rocks geologists have been able to find are 3.9 billion years old.

    Using radiometric dating methods to determine the age of rocks means scientists have to rely on when the rock was initially formed (as in - when its internal minerals first cooled). Since we can only measure as far back in time as we had solid rock on this planet, we are limited in how we can measure the real age of the earth, so nobody knows how old earth is because God does not give us a date.

    If trying to see please read the rest of this study from the link below

    http://revelation7seals.com/threeearthages.htm
     
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    I've heard that the dating methods used by scientists are unreliable at best.
     
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    There is a lot of evidence of that.

    I have a friend who is a nuclear research physicist (imagine me having friend like that!) who has made study over the past 10 years or so, and I'm convinced you can't really trust any of that. The assumptions that they have to build into the equations are astounding!

    Much love!
     
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    So the study of science always disagrees with God's Word??!$^!???

    Thing is, there is TRUE science, and then there is PSEUDO science. Much of the science you're talking about is pseudo-science. TRUE science will always agree with God's Word, and visa versa.
     
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    Is that what I said? I don't think I said that.

    Science is "what is known", right? And of course we cannot "know" anything that contradicts the Bible. But much of what passes for science is anything but actually known. Evolution, aging of rocks, people weren't there at the time. Or so the science goes. We just look at the rocks, and tell you how old they are. But no one alive today was alive when those rocks were formed.

    Of course, that's not true in every case, since rocks formed by the Mt. St. Helen's eruption in 1981 were tested to be, if I recall correctly, 5 billion years old. Several billions, in any case.

    Rock layers at the bottom of the grand canyon test as much younger than the top. Stuff like that.

    But regardless of anyone's theories, call it science or not, no one has made those observations, of when the rocks in the crust were formed, and counted off the years from then to now, so it's all theories, if even that, but not science.

    Much love!
     
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    The best definition of the word science is about the scientific method which Francis Bacon gave to the world. Every university degree that is a Bachelor of Science degree must teach that 'scientific method'. That doesn't make the field of science perfect, because it's true that some things involving operation of the scientific method can cause influence on the results. Still doesn't mean a certain amount of accurate results can't be gotten. One of the points of the method is repeatability.

    What you're referring to involves science of the old world. You probably don't realize you're not being told the whole story by today's scientists. I once read a quote from the 19th century western scout Buffalo Bill. So I bought a copy of his autobiography to see if he really said it. He mentioned that some Pawnee Indians brought a large bone to camp, and the camp doctor verified it was a human femur bone. They told him there was once a race of people that walked the earth, large people. When they hunted buffalo, they ran with the buffalo, grabbed one and tore off its leg and ate while running with the Buffalo. They said they hated the great white spirit, and laughed at thunder and lightening, and that a flood came driving them to the mountains, and then finally destroyed them.

    There has existed many 19th century newspaper articles where bones in so-called Indian burial mounts were found, some still with red hair on their skulls, ranging from 9 to 11 feet tall, and Smithsonian reps were brought in to survey. Why aren't those artifacts on display? And what would their existence show us?

    The powers that be do not want science to prove God's Word as correct. God's Word contains much science, just not pseudo-science that man creates, like the theory evolution.

    There are evidences God left of the old world which n2thelight is talking about. Fossils of human footprints found within the footprints of dinosaur fossils are one such example. There used to be some prime examples at Dinosaur Valley State Park in Texas, but some evolutionists destroyed many of them. Some of these fossils showed a perfect human arch footprint, and the mud around the footprint showed some of the mud squirting around as it sunk into the mud, something difficult to mimic. It shows the human footprint happened at the same time as the dinosaur footprint, and both fossilized together. Really don't need a carbon dating to determine how old that is; it's easy to know the dinosaurs existed long ago. The woolly mammoth discovered buried in ice in the Arctic, still with vegetation in its mouth and undigested in it stomach, also reveals an event that happened long ago. What scientists cannot seem to grasp is how the mammoth was frozen at an instant, because this is shown by the vegetation in its mouth and stomach not decayed, and condition of the mammoth not showing decay.

    God left us some pointers to the old world in His Word. Those not familiar with that part of His Word don't realize how much pseudo-science has crept into the pulpits and is taught as God's Word instead.
     
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    n2thelight,

    This is man's thinking.

    You can discover much through science, but all of it comes under the umbrella of men speculating about what they can understand at their level. That is like a group of kindergarteners theorizing their playroom. Even if they come up with the fact that parents placed them there and there are four walls and a stranger called "Teacher", or a host of other silly speculations...they are kindergarteners. What do they really know?

    Better than that is to imagine that we were all born into a big room and no one had ever been out or seen outside the room. Who then (in the room) could tell you what was outside? A scientist, because he can give you the chemical makeup of the room? A teacher because he has learned all the knowledge available in the big room? Anyone? No...the point is, the only way that anyone can know what is outside or beyond man, is if the information comes in from the outside. That is what the Bible is, a written record of authorized data that has come from the outside in by personal encounter, from God to men.

    Since the Bible was written, or about the time that it stopped being written, God (according to His own revelation from the outside in) tore down the wall limiting our access between God and men, and began pouring out His spirit upon all flesh (according to Joel the prophet, repeated by Jesus, and confirmed by Peter...by the mouth of two or three witnesses). As such, we no longer need to speculate, but conjecture based on men's knowledge according to himself, still acquires nothing. And that is what you have here.

    As for what the truth is...just as in times past, the truth is revealed, but the masses usually don't accept it until it is established in spite of their refusing to receive it. Nonetheless, the truth is now available (knowledge has been increased). But making suppositions is not the way to attain it. Instead, you should be asking questions.
     
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    God left us some pointers to the old world in His Word. Those not familiar with that part of His Word don't realize how much pseudo-science has crept into the pulpits and is taught as God's Word instead.
     
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    Apostle Peter mentioned how in some of Paul's writings there are some things hard to be understood (2 Pet.3:16). There in 2 Peter 3, Peter was declaring info about a world prior to this present one. And then he declared the destruction of this present world by God's consuming fire, and then the coming of the next world.

    So are these things really that hard to understand?

    Not for everyone... it really depends on who you listen to...


    Rom 8:18-25
    18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

    OK, what's the timing Apostle Paul is speaking of there? He's speaking of how the world to come can't be compared with the sufferings of this present world.



    19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

    This is where one needs to sharpen up. What "creature" is Paul talking about there? If you go into the Greek here, you'll find it's the Greek word ktisis (Strong's no. 2937). It means 'original formation'. In verse 22 below it is translated to "creation".

    Paul is talking about God's original creation. OK, Paul says the creation is waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God. Is that now, since those in Christ today are called the sons of God? No, not yet, because Paul talks about the redemption to come, meaning when our Lord Jesus to redeem us. And remember the timing Paul started off here with, i.e., the world to come.


    20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of Him Who hath subjected the same in hope,

    Time to really sharpen up and think. Paul reveals the creation ("creature") was made subject to vanity, and made the creation in hope like us? And God did this?

    Just WHEN... did God put His creation subject to "vanity"? Do you know what that means, that God's creation today is in a state of vanity? The Greek word for "vanity" goes back to the Greek root mataios (3152) which means 'empty, vain, profitless'. Do you recall where God said, "And the earth was without form, and void"?

    Some believe God did this to His creation when Adam and Eve fell in His Garden. But there is no description of this in their time. But there is at Genesis 1:2 and Jeremiah 4:23-28.



    21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

    Gods creation was put in bondage of corruption??? I thought today was a perfect creation from our Heavenly Father's Hand. What gives?

    Let's take a look at His creation. Did you notice how everything in this present world decays and dies? even the plants and animals who are innocent? Some actually love the desert, and think that's how God originally created it. No, the deserts point to God having placed His creation in "bondage of corruption". Hardly anything lives in the desert.

    Paul reveals more though. He tells us when it's time for the "glorious liberty of the children of God" happens, that also is when God is going to release His creation from that "bondage of corruption". Did that happen already today? No! It will begin with Christ's return.



    22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

    The whole creation groans and travails in pain even until now? Why together? Together with whom? With us, as we seek a release from our imperfect flesh bodies and instead into the eternal body of the world to come! So what, did you really think the creation today was perfect and the way God originally intended it? Can you not see how when He releases His creation from its bondage of today, that He is going to make it anew and much better in the world to come? That is exactly the idea you should be seeing in your mind from what Paul is teaching here.




    23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

    24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

    25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
    KJV


    We also await a release from the bondage of our spirit in this present world. Jesus when He returns, is going to change all that.

    If you go to Jeremiah 4:23-28, you will find a description of the destruction of the old world when Satan first rebelled in coveting God's throne, and God then ending that old world, and placing His creation into bondage of corruption. Our present weather systems reveals an imperfect atmosphere above the earth that causes all our storms and tempests of this present world. He reveals that there, which is one of the ideas of corruption Paul was pointing to here in Romans 8.
     
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    What "pseudo-science" creeping into the pulpits would you be referring to, and what "pointers?" Care to elaborate?

    .....Ah, I now see that you have in post #10. I'll have a look. Thanks!
     
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    @n2thelight

    This is good when it comes to teaching the principles as they were made manifest in the likeness of their heavenly counter parts, but not in the plain truth. In other words, God has spoken in the world and by creation [only] in the likeness of the subject, by using manifest objects. This is the mystery of His use of parables. But as in all parables the object is never the subject, for it is intentionally only a "likeness." Even in the scriptures, this is true, so that they are foolishness to those who do not discern them spiritually. Which is to say, the words are not to be taken literally...except...as they are understood spiritually. Speaking in tongues is another example of this.

    Therefore, what you have referred to in the scriptures, does not point to a physical next world, but rather a spiritual world...as God is spirit. Which makes all of this present world a form of show-and-tell for the "children" of God, in the language of children. This is that need to "sharpen up" you referred to, unto the spiritual maturity of Christ who, if we are to actually "follow", committed only His spirit to the Father, but not His physical body, which He laid down. That is that "next world", that we to lay down this flesh and physical body, that we should be set free from it's captivity and decay.

    Now then...in spiritual discernment, meaning in the form of God whom is spirit, rather than in the form of men whom are flesh; we have need to more fully understand our "created" form, in order to understand that "world that was" and "the world to come."

    The world before and after are only "worlds" by the elementary description and use of child language, but are not worlds at all. The more correct word is "eternity." Thus, we have heard of the world that was and will be, in the terms of this world that now is. But in reality the world that was and will be is not what was or will by, but rather just as it is with God: "I am." Likewise, it is written that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever...but that does not describe God as living in three eternities, but rather only one. So being "created" in a "created" world of time which was also "created", all of this needs to be translated from "yesterday, today, and forever" into "I am."

    So...there are not three worlds, but eternity (with God) and time (without God). Which, in translation, eternity, unlike time, does not exist on a timeline. This is why it is written that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven (of God). Because the spirit goes where it will, but the flesh does not, but rather only where it is placed as it was in the beginning, in the creation of the world.

    So the world to come is not a world at all, but eternity with God, which all the created world only points to.
     
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    Sorry, but you're going to have to break that down in layman terms. That is the object of teaching per God's direction, making it simple so everyone can understand, which is exactly what I did with coverage of the section of Romans 8 by Apostle Paul.
     
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    Absolutely. All the natural laws of the universe upon which true science is based were put into place by God when He created all things. It does not matter which branch of science you are dealing with. But evolution and the *science* to support it is indeed pseudo-science -- bogus science. Evolutionism is a religion unto itself, and its primary goal is to EXCLUDE GOD from His creation.
     
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    There is no higher authority than the Ten Commandments, which were written on tablets of stone by the finger of God. And the Ten Commandments REFUTE the above statement. We do know how old the earth is from the chronology of the Bible -- it is approximately 6,061 years old.
     
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    The human race is 200,000 years old
    Moses murders a man in a public street
    life goes on
    :)-
     
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    No, that's wrong, not biblical. The scriptures must be spiritually discerned, and the hard sayings and parables of Christ are proof. That is the truth of what is written...and not everyone, in fact no one understands, except spiritually.

    On the contrary, what you did with Romans 8 is "here a little and there a little, line upon line." But that is not the end of the matter, but rather the beginning and the foundation. The end...is "spirit and truth."

    If it were not so...you should start your own thread and call it, just: Two Earth Ages.
     
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    You're not qualified, nor authorized to come up with your own Bible parables. We are to speak plainly, not in riddles. Just because our Lord Jesus did it doesn't mean He gave us authority to do it. As for your reply, it reveals you really don't have a clue as to what Apostle Paul was talking about there in that Romans 8 section I covered. Nor did you even understand my simple explanation there of a deep mystery hard to be understood that Paul gave there.
     
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    Where did he come up with a parable? went right past me...
     
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    Then you understand what all he said in his post #12? Explain it to me please, paragraph by paragraph:

    ScottA said:
    "This is good when it comes to teaching the principles as they were made manifest in the likeness of their heavenly counter parts, but not in the plain truth. In other words, God has spoken in the world and by creation [only] in the likeness of the subject, by using manifest objects. This is the mystery of His use of parables. But as in all parables the object is never the subject, for it is intentionally only a "likeness." Even in the scriptures, this is true, so that they are foolishness to those who do not discern them spiritually. Which is to say, the words are not to be taken literally...except...as they are understood spiritually. Speaking in tongues is another example of this.

    Therefore, what you have referred to in the scriptures, does not point to a physical next world, but rather a spiritual world...as God is spirit. Which makes all of this present world a form of show-and-tell for the "children" of God, in the language of children. This is that need to "sharpen up" you referred to, unto the spiritual maturity of Christ who, if we are to actually "follow", committed only His spirit to the Father, but not His physical body, which He laid down. That is that "next world", that we to lay down this flesh and physical body, that we should be set free from it's captivity and decay.

    Now then...in spiritual discernment, meaning in the form of God whom is spirit, rather than in the form of men whom are flesh; we have need to more fully understand our "created" form, in order to understand that "world that was" and "the world to come."

    The world before and after are only "worlds" by the elementary description and use of child language, but are not worlds at all. The more correct word is "eternity." Thus, we have heard of the world that was and will be, in the terms of this world that now is. But in reality the world that was and will be is not what was or will by, but rather just as it is with God: "I am." Likewise, it is written that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever...but that does not describe God as living in three eternities, but rather only one. So being "created" in a "created" world of time which was also "created", all of this needs to be translated from "yesterday, today, and forever" into "I am."

    So...there are not three worlds, but eternity (with God) and time (without God). Which, in translation, eternity, unlike time, does not exist on a timeline. This is why it is written that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven (of God). Because the spirit goes where it will, but the flesh does not, but rather only where it is placed as it was in the beginning, in the creation of the world.

    So the world to come is not a world at all, but eternity with God, which all the created world only points to."
     
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