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To hell with me

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics Forum' started by djstav, Sep 9, 2018.

  1. djstav

    djstav Active Member

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    Why does hell have to be painful? Is God not satisfied with just separating the wicked, he has to inflict pain on those subjects.

    Why I ask.
     
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    Although we like to pretend we know what is being spoken about in the Bible, none of us actually know what the afterlife (either WITH Jesus, or WITHOUT) will be like. It may well be that the loss of the hope of Jesus will be suffering such as we can't even imagine. I know that simply the inevitable death of loved ones has caused me more pain than any physical ache or burn I ever had.
     
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    Truthfully Willie, I suffered worse when I was a believer. So I won't miss him if I don't end up in the Christian paradise.
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    And now pretending not to believe has stopped all pain? Or, if you had never heard of Jesus, that past pain you refer to would never have happened? I think I must have missed the part of the Bible that tells us bad things won't come into our lives.
     
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    Ask Him, just before that big angel grabs you by the short hairs and gives you a toss.

    Stranger
     
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    The fires of hell extinguish life. God is not cruel. This is the second DEATH...not second torment. The confusion comes with lumping all the outcomes into one. People can't read the bible without adding in simplistic notions they have previously been taught. Like this idea of heaven and hell. There is an eternal destiny to be cast into outer darkness. Away from His presence. That is something righteous since so many people seem satisfied with a life away from God.
     
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    It is "painful" for men ON Earth ...
    "political strife, family strife, wars, threats, stabbing, shootings, diseases, pollution, corruption, religious conflicts and on and on."

    "ON" Earth an "individual" has the "option" to "Choose" to be Comforted "through" strife, hardships, painful, sorrowful times Via the Holy Spirit of God.....OR not.

    Living souls that have departed their dead body's WHO did Not Choose Comfort of the Holy Spirit while ON Earth,...They chose their option To have Not Have Comfort of the Holy Spirit, so be it...

    God is Just...All men will receive what they Freely Choose.

    God Bless,
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    bbyrd009 Groper

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    the fires of hell are Norse scribes' figments of the imagination, based upon their mythology, and Christians do not know what they are talking about. Their beliefs cannot even be verified in the original text of the Bible, but only in English, as about 2 minutes with a Lexicon will prove. Souls do not go to Tartarus, and there is no punishment in Hades mythology. Just stop listening to fake Christians and you will be fine imo.

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    And possibly even less than that being led by the Holy Ghost!
     
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    briefly, bc ppl who want to become immortal and go to heaven (Valhalla, really) to party with Jesus forever after they die cannot find any souls--not a single one--going to heaven in the Bible, so they need a hell also so that their concept of "losers" have a place to go to also. No one has ever gone up to heaven except He Who came down from it, the Son of Man

    If you just Quote "if you dig a pit for someone else, you end up falling in it yourself" they will suddenly become interested in their navels again and leave you alone, usually.
     
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    bbyrd009, why don't you stick with Norse mythology, and leave Christians to believe that the Bible reveals? This whole rant is UTTER NONSENSE.

    BTW do you identify yourself as "Christian" so that yo can play mind games on a Christian forum?
     
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    Well that splashes onto me too....because I also do not believe in the hell that most of you seem to believe in...and also seem eager to see your fellow man enter!! :oops:
     
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    Popular myth is- That Hell is an established Biblical doctrine that is in the Bible from start to finish. This is not true! o_O

    Two thirds of the Bible (the Old Testament) do not mention Hell at all. (“Sheol,” the Old Testament word that is sometimes translated as Hell, only means “grave” by definition, and it is where everyone in the Old Testament went when they died--good or evil, Jew or Gentile).

    The Old Testament does not contain the concept of Hell!
     
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    Not straight away, but little by little, day by day I recovered. Boy that was fast, only took 4 year's aftet a life time of indoctrination.
     
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    I should have named the thread "To heaven with you!"
     
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    I did, he doesn't talk back.
     
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    The bible sure does promises us many trials and tribs. It also gives us everything we need to live IN this world an to be conquerors, overcomers in His strength. I used to think this all bunk when "going through the motions" in the 1990's , but now, as a Christian I have grown enough to understand how to react or not react to planet earth coming at me. Learning to REALLY rest in Him has brought me to a peace I never came close to before and always questioned back in the day. So much is self induced as well and God has gotten me out of so many pits I myself dug. I could NEVER ask for a better provider and protector.
     
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    What is so good about this God anyway? Is it that he grants eternal life (Bliss in heaven) Is this not just a punishment/reward scenario.
     
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    Intriguing.
     
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    This is a love game, so to speak. When you love someone your life meshes with the beloved. In fact it can be painful to separate that union.

    So it is with God.

    He is looking for a "Bride" to walk in love with...for ever.

    But there are also those who are just humble and meek...but don't have that kind of love. God is merciful and saves them for the Bride to rule over in the next age.

    The religious counterfeiters are banished into outer darkness...and the wicked are just plain destroyed in the lake of fire. God is perfectly fair and righteous.
     
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