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True Israel is Alive and Well.

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    logabe,Just curious as to where you are getting all your material? And what does it have to do with the topic of this thread?
     
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    Jesus Christ—the God and King of Israel—divorced the House of Israel and then sent her out of His house from 745-721 B.C. But He promised through Hosea and other prophets that she would be betrothed to Him once again (Hos. 2:19, 20) with a view toward remarrying her. As we have seen, this could only take place if Israel’s former Husband would die and come back to life. Jesus Christ did this.He then sent His disciples into the world to preach the Gospel to every creature. This included the scattered House of Israel, who by this time were dominant in northern and eastern Asia Minor (modern Turkey). Great numbers of them were still living in “Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,” as we read in 1 Peter 1:1. Peter addressed his letter to these Israelites, saying (The Emphatic Diaglott),1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the sojourners of the Dispersion of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 chosen, according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of Spirit. . .This was NOT the dispersion of Judah, for this was written before Judah was dispersed. Hence, Peter was not addressing “Jews” living in those areas, but Israelites of an earlier dispersion. Later, in 1 Peter 2:9, 10 he says to these Israelites,9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. Peter quotes Hosea, reminding them of their past. Hosea’s son, Lo-ammi, meant “not my people,” and his daughter’s name, Lo-ruhamah, meant “no mercy, or not pitied.” Thus Peter specifically identifies them as ex-Israelites of the dispersion. How did Peter know where those ex-Israelites were located? The Jewish historian, Josephus, who lived at the same time as Peter, wrote in his Antiquities of the Jews, XI, v, 2,“Wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans; while the ten tribes are beyond Euphrates till now; and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers.”Peter sent his letter to Christians in those regions. That is, they were converts to Christ from the lost tribes of Israel. And so, on that basis, Peter was able to call them “chosen” once again. He could tell them that they had now become God’s people again. He could tell them that they had obtained mercy through Christ’s death on the cross. Peter’s goal was, of course, to bring all of these ex-Israelites into the knowledge of Jesus Christ, for only in that way could they be married to Him and be “chosen” once again.Logabe
     
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    logabe,Just curious as to where you are getting all your material? And what does it have to do with the topic of this thread?
    I know your question is not directed at me, but I'm missing something here. I think logabe's comments have everything to do with the subject of this thread, unless something was said that I missed somewhere.From what I read and understood, I think logabe did a fine job summarizing the fate of the lost house of Israel, the birthright and so forth. The story of Joseph is especially true. What logabe brought up is a truth seldom mentioned even by lost tribe ministries. Joseph was "lost" to his brethren and became "Gentile" and totally unrecognizable. This foreshadows a time when Israel would become great (as did Joseph) in their lost and Gentile state. In the end, all were reunited (as in Ezekiel 37 says one day will be the case).
     
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    Hosea 1:1 starts out by identifying the two nations of Israel and Judah. His prophecy came during the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah—kings of Judah—and in the days of Jeroboam, king of Israel. It is apparent that Hosea was well acquainted with the simple historical fact that the nation had split into two nations and that prophecies were different for each nation. Prophecies about Judah would deal with that tribe's call regarding the first work of Christ, when Jesus came of the line of Judah to be eligible as the King. Prophecies about Israel would deal with the second work of Christ, having to do largely with the birthright of Joseph and the theme of Sonship.The story of Hosea begins with God's command to go marry a prostitute named Gomer, because she was a type of Israel. God had married Israel, but she had prostituted herself with other gods (husbands). Hosea was thus playing the part of God in this parable or allegory of God's marital problems. Hosea and Gomer had a few children, each of whom were named to signify prophetic themes. The first son was named Jezreel, “God scatters,” because God was going to bring judgment upon Israel and scatter them, “and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel.”Next they had a daughter they named Lo-ruhamah, or “not pitied.” In Romans 9:25 it is rendered “not beloved.” In 1 Peter 2:10 it is rendered “not having obtained mercy.” In Hosea 1:6 we are told that the reason for her name is: “for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.”Then, to make sure we understand that this was NOT a prophecy applicable to Judah, Hosea immediately tells us in the next verse, “But I WILL have mercy upon the house of Judah.” Hence we see that in the days of Hezekiah, king of Judah, when the Assyrians deported Israel, they failed to conquer Jerusalem. God had mercy upon king Hezekiah and the nation of Judah, but did NOT have mercy upon the house of Israel. Lo-ruhamah meant that God was going to “utterly take them away” (Hosea 1:6). This is confirmed by the story of their deportation in 2 Kings 17:18-20,18 Therefore the Lord was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight; there was NONE LEFT but the tribe of Judah only . . .20 And the Lord rejected all the seed of Israel, and afflicted them, and delivered them into the hand of spoilers, until He had cast them out of His sight.There were, of course, many individual Israelites who managed to escape the Assyrian deportations, and so some Bible teachers have used this as an excuse to insist that the Jews represent all the house of Israel as well as Judah. But in the sight of God, the TRIBES had been utterly taken away. The tribeship itself resided in the heads, or princes, of each tribal unit. Those princes were all deported, and thus the “tribes” were gone. Individuals do not constitute the tribes. When we continue studying the prophecy of Hosea (and all the other prophets), we see that the prophets always treat Israel and Judah as separate entities in need of reunification to repair the breach between them. The prophets all treat Israel as a separate entity with its own distinct set of prophecy to fulfill.Hosea's third child was another son named Lo-ammi, “not my people, for ye are not My people, and I will not be your God” (Hosea 1:9). In other words, they were cut off from the old covenant, the marriage covenant God had made with them at Mount Sinai. Without this covenant, the house of Israel was no longer “chosen” in the legal sense of being God's wife. They no longer had the right to the birthright name of Israel—and this is why God stripped them of that name.Logabe
     
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    At this point the disastrous judgment of God was complete. Israel was cut off as a nation (Jezreel), utterly taken away, or removed (Lo-ruhamah), and no longer God's people, or God's wife (Lo-ammi). This is confirmed in Hosea 2:2, where God says to the children of Gomer-Israel, “plead with your mother, plead; for she is not My wife, neither am I her husband.”Likewise, Jeremiah 3:8 tells us that God gave Israel “a bill of divorce.” The law of divorce in Deut. 24:1-4 tells us that a man is not allowed to separate from (“put away”) his wife without first giving her a written bill of divorce. If he does so in the lawfully prescribed manner, this bill of divorce is proof that she is no longer married to her former husband and may then “go and be another man's wife” (Deuteronomy 24:2). The law also tells us that once she has become another man's wife, it is unlawful for her to be remarried to her former husband, “for that is abomination before the Lord” (Deuteronomy 24:4).Thus we find Israel divorced from God. He gave her a bill of divorce before sending her out of the house (the deportation to Assyria). God did it all lawfully. God is a divorcee, and Israel is His ex-wife. The Church, of course, knows not the law, so it thinks that divorce itself is a sin, thus calling God a sinner for divorcing the house of Israel. But then, the Church also thinks that God remarried a “Gentile bride,” while insisting that remarriage, too, is a sin. When will the Church stop blaspheming the character of God? Logabe
     
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    One would think that at this point the situation would be absolutely hopeless for Israel. One would think that Israel would be lost forever. Once divorced, with Israel out in the world marrying false gods, the divine law stood as a strong barrier between God and these ex-Israelites, seemingly preventing Him from ever remarrying her. But Hosea says no such thing.God would, of course, allow her to experience the oppression of those other gods (religions of men), until she said, “I will go and return to my first husband; for then was it better with me than now” (Hosea 2:7). Even so, God said He would not bring her back to the old land of Palestine. Instead, “I will allure her” to a new place called “the wilderness” (2:14), where He would court her again. In that new place, God says,19 I will betroth thee unto Me in righteousness and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.20 I will even betroth thee unto Me in faithfulness; and thou shalt know the Lord.Then in verse 23 we find the climax of the prophecy. We will quote the verse using some of the original Hebrew words and names in the text, so that the force of the verse is not lost in the translation. Keep in mind that God was using the names of his children as prophetic statements. Lo-ruhamah means “no mercy” and Lo-ammi means “not My people.” The word lo in Hebrew means “No,” or “Not.”23 And I will sow [zara, the root word of Jezreel, “to seed, scatter, or sow”] her unto Me in the earth; and I will have mercy on Lo-ruhamah; and I will say to Lo-ammi, Thou art Ammi; and they shall say, Elohim.In other words, regarding Jezreel, the name means “to scatter” as seed in the field, and this is the meaning of the name in Hosea 1:3. But it has a double meaning. It also means “to sow.” One must scatter the seed to sow it and bring an increase of grain. Hence, God's judgment upon Israel was to scatter them like seed in the field. This is why Hosea 1:10 says of Israel,10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not My people [Lo-ammi], there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.One cannot escape the simple fact that God did not cast off Israel so that she might stumble and fall forever, but rather that she might be transferred to a new land called “the wilderness.” Israel was being sown in a larger field, where she might grow and multiply as seed sown in the field (the world). Why? So that she might fulfill the promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Genesis 32:12.12 And Thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude.This was the promise of the birthright, given to Joseph (“God will add”) and his son, Ephraim (“fruitfulness”). It was the promise of Sonship—many sons into glory. Such a promise could be fulfilled only partially, so long as Israel remained in the limited space of the old land. So God used Israel's sin as an occasion to divorce her and send her out of His house, NOT so that she would fall, but so that she would be sown in the field and multiplied like grain in a field. Paul says this in Romans 11:11.11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid; but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the nations, for to provoke them to jealousy.So while it is true that God did bring judgment upon the house of Israel and scattered them as the name Jezreel implies, He did so with the purpose of sowing them in the field (world) to multiply them and fulfill the Abrahamic promise. Paul understood Hosea's prophecy that God would again restore them. He understood the underlying purpose of Israel's scattering. It was so that all nations would be saved.How? The simplest answer is found in the parable of Matthew 13:44, where Jesus tells us that God found a treasure (Israel—Exodus 19:6) in the field (world). He then hid it in the field (Israel was “lost” like Joseph in Egypt) until He had time to sell everything He had (including giving up His life on the Cross) to raise the money to buy the field (world).His prime focus was to obtain the treasure (Israel); but in order to obtain the treasure lawfully, He had to buy the field in which it was hidden or buried. Thus, God purchased the entire world by His blood. So Paul tells us that the casting out of Israel was for the purpose of saving the whole world. God intended from the beginning to buy the entire world. Hence, He used Israel's judgment to fulfill two main purposes: to sow them in the field and multiply them to fulfill the Abrahamic covenant with Israel; and secondly, to purchase the whole world.This is, therefore, good news for all men, whether of Israel or not. God was being exclusive when He chose Israel as His wife; but His overall purpose was inclusive. He is not only the God of Abraham, but also the God of the whole earth (Isaiah 54:5). All creation has a place in the plan of God and must come under His government.Logabe
     
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    Next we see in Hosea 2:23 that the judgment of Lo-ruhamah (“no mercy”) is also to be reversed. “I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy.” Here Hosea simply restates what had already been prophesied in 1:10. But most important of all, God is going to change Lo-ammi to Ammi, from “not My people” to “My people.” That means He will bring them back into a marriage covenant relationship with Himself. Hosea 1:10 says that they will be called “sons of the living God” in the same place where they are considered to be “not My people.” And so we see in history that the ex-Israelites moved into Europe, no longer known as Israel, with everyone saying they are “not My people,” and yet they became the Christian nations of the world and were called “sons of the living God.”The prophetic story is astounding. They have fulfilled precisely the story of Joseph, who was lost in Egypt and thought to be dead, but God led him and taught him His ways. Through hardships of slavery and the anguish of being a castaway, Joseph was transformed into a true Son of the living God. God also multiplied him in that land with two sons. Manasseh (“forgetfulness”) indicated that he had forgotten all his father's house (that is, his identity as an Israelite); and Ephraim (“fruitful”) was prophetic of the Abrahamic promise to multiply his children as the sand of the sea and as the stars of heaven.Logabe
     
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    The Assyrians called the house of Israel “Beth-Ghomri,” or “Bit-Khumri” in all of their stone monuments and official records. All archeologists translate this name as “the house of Omri.” Omri was the father of king Ahab and was one of Israel's more prominent kings (1 Kings 16:23). In the old Hebrew language Omri's name was spelled Ghomri; but in later years the language evolved, and it came to be spelled either Omri or Khumri. When the Assyrians conquered the house of Israel in 721 BC, the king ruling Israel during the siege was named Hoshea (2 Kings 17:6). A king is said to be married to the nation. King Hoshea was thus married to Gomer, or Ghomri, as the Assyrians called Israel.Hoshea is really the same name as Hosea. Hence, we find that Hosea's marriage to Gomer, and their children whose names prophesied Israel's destruction, foretold not only the events to come, but also the very names of the last king of Israel and the official Assyrian name for the house of Israel—Gomer, or Ghomri.Isaiah 62:2 prophesies that the house of Israel would be “called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.” This is confirmed in Isaiah 65:15, where God says that His “servants” (defined in Isaiah 44:1 as Israel) would be called “by another name.” God's purpose in giving Israel a new name was to hide her identity during her wilderness wandering, so that she would remain lost to the shepherds who refused to search for her and find her (Ezekiel 34:4-6).Furthermore, Isaiah 44:5 prophesied that “another shall call himself by the name of Jacob, and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.” Thus, the true house of Israel would be certain to remain lost for as long as God purposed it.Even as God called Israel by a new name, so also did Pharaoh call Joseph by a new name. Genesis 41:45 says, “And Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaphnath-paaneah."This name means “Abundance of Life.” Joseph's new name allowed him to remain unrecognized when his brothers came to buy grain. His descendants of the house of Israel today are also unrecognized—and for the same reason. It was all in the plan of God.One further word about Gomer: Japheth's son, Gomer, had sons who settled from Greece to Asia Minor (now Turkey) and westward all the way to the land of the Medes. Genesis 10:2 gives us their names. Javan is the old name for Greece; Madai is the father of the Medes; Tiras is the father of the city of Tyre in Phoenicia. It is interesting, but perhaps a bit confusing that the house of Israel was placed in the cities of the Medes (2 Kings 17:6) and in other areas among the Gomerites of Japheth.Hence, the Ghomri of Israel came to be associated with the people of Gomer, son of Japheth. This, too, was according to biblical prophecy. In Genesis 9:27, Noah blessed his son, Japheth, saying, “God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem.”This prophecy was fulfilled when Israel was cast out of the land of Palestine and placed in the territory where the Gomerites of Japheth were living. This enlarged the population of Japheth, while at the same time, the people of Japheth came into the tents of Shem (Israel). It was God's purpose to take the Japhethites and merge them with Israel, so that they might all be blessed together in “the tents of Shem.” Gomer-Japheth and Gomer-Israel essentially became one people throughout Europe. In fact, it served to multiply the house of Israel, and it prefigured God's plan to purchase the whole field in order to obtain the treasure in it. God hid Gomer-Israel in the field of Gomer-Japheth, giving them essentially the same name, so that men would lose the house of Israel as prophesied.What a plan! Could any man write a novel as exciting as the one God wrote?Logabe
     
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    QUOTE (ActionJackson @ Nov 1 2008, 11:34 AM)
    I believe that after the Assyrians captured the 10 northern tribes and 2 southern tribes of Israel and put them into captivity in the land of the Medes and Persians that the Israelites migrated northward into the area we call Europe today. The only segment of the Israelitish population that did not go into Assyrian captivity was that portion of Judah (and Benjamin) that we protected within the three fenced cities. The Babylonians later took that portion of Judah into captivity.
    Vickie says:May I ask where did you read this in scripture? I would like to engage in this topic with you. Thanks.QUOTE
    Paul was an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamin.
    Vickie says: In I Kings 12:21 the tribes of Benjamin and Judah came together. to make war against the tribes of Israel which was only ten tribes. To this day they remain separated by this act, but as Ezk speaks the prophecy from our Lord that at his coming and setting up the 1000 yr., reign of Christ on earth these 12 tribes will be together forever. Never to be separated again. Paul became very studious in his study of God because Benjamin is connected to Judah to this very day. Judah is where David came from and Christ, through Mary. And as Jesus who serves at the temple today in heaven, has come from this tribe of Judah, which has changed the Laws. Heb 7:12. For no one from this tribe of Judah has ever served at the alter before Christ. QUOTE
    A major misnomer taught in mainstream Christian churches is that all Israelites are Jews. This is simply a false belief. The term "Jew" was used to describe those of the tribe of Judah. Someone of the tribe of Judah could possibly be called a Jew but someone of the tribe of Dan or Manassah is not a Jew.
    Vickie says: Hello, I am glad you've posted on this topic. My children are of the tribe of Judah. and yest they are called Jews. The tribes were separated shortly after Salomon's death. He son Rehoboam, his action destroyed the unity between the 10 tribes and the house of Judah. (I King 12:19) The ten tribes are from my exposure called Israelites. They are very much alive and know who they are. The same with the house of Judah. They all know who they are. I speak this with first hand knowledge for my children are of seed of Jacob. The lineage is passed on through the bloodline of the man, not the woman.And has continued to this day. God set up a beautiful and sure bloodline that is not dissolved by any means of men. My children's grandfather comes from Russia and their grandmother. They carried the name change from Lippman to Lipman, when they crossed over and came to Boston, Mass. The Israelites and Jews are so very proud of their bloodline, they have passed this knowledge on consistently to the offspring for all generations. My Son knows that his son is the only one carrying on the bloodline, his two sisters that married gentle men, no longer have. Their children are gentiles by blood. This bloodline has been made holy by God and it is very much alive in the minds of those who carry it.
     
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    I think the true Israel is a baptized Israel. This is why scripture says in Luke 7:29 All the people, even the tax collectors, when they heard Jesus' words, acknowledged that God's way was right, because they had been baptized by John. 30But the Pharisees and experts in the law rejected God's purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.The true church is the true Israel of God.Galatians 6:16And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.Only those in covenant with God are the people of God, the Israel of God:Hebrews 8:10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.
     
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    QUOTE (Christina @ Nov 1 2008, 12:28 PM)
    Couldnt agree more it does my heart good to see another that truly understands this truth as God taught it. It runs through the Entire BibleYou are so correct what the Bible teaches and what American churches teach are completely different. Eze. 28 makes it perfectly clear there are two sticks that will be joined under the Branch that is Jesus Christ at his return. We call them Jews and Christians God calls them the Whole house of Israel ...or all twelve tribesrejoined
    The 12 tribes became divided shortly after Solomon's death I King 12:19. Judah and Benjiman separatedfrom the remaining 10 tribes, which make up the House of Israel from that point on in the bible.The separation remains today until God returns and sets up his kingdom. This is why through out the rest of the bible you will find God speaking to either the House of Judah or the House of Israel. Ezekiel was given the prophecy of the two sticks being together, a time that speaks of God's reign uponthe earth. They will no longer be against each other. Something I hadn't known before I read I king 12that gives the incident as to why the tribes are separated and against each other to this day. My children are from the tribe of Judah as their bloodline is document by birth certificate and their heritagehas been clear through the immigration from Israel, to Russia, to Boston, to California to Texas, now. When I married my husband who carries the bloodline, I had to convert over to Orthodox Judaism beforewe were allowed to be married. Stayed with it for a while, but trying to make the family happy I found Jews for Jesus. They were so bewildered that I would do something like that. I had to have Christ. Some who are not of the bloodline are ignorant in how God keeps his chosen people separated, it is throughthe bloodline, The male carries the bloodline and is only passed on through him. To buy land and take up citizenship in Israel, we have to produce the bloodline through the birth certificate. Then go before the Kenness who validates the bloodline. They have programs to help the document Jews to return. In many cases it's only a few hundred dollars togo through some of the programs set up here in America that helps the Jews return for visits. I am glad tosay that my children are completed Jews, they have accepted Christ and are of the bloodline. I am a gentile called by God that is now a Spiritual Jew. I received the invitation to the thirsty.Isa 55:5 Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou know not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto theebecause of the Lord thy God, the HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL. Jesus has done this for all nations by coming in the flesh and laying down his life for many who would believe.In Christ's precious wordsVickie
     
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    The True Israel is spiritual..the church..those born again..gal 6:[sup]14[/sup]But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. [sup]15[/sup]For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. [sup]16[/sup]And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. rom 2: [sup]28[/sup]For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: [sup]29[/sup]But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.Paul upon His conversion, learned who are Gods jews..which turned out to be contrary to his former beliefs and those of his country men..
     
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    QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 8 2009, 12:45 PM)
    The True Israel is spiritual..the church..those born again..gal 6:[sup]14[/sup]But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. [sup]15[/sup]For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. [sup]16[/sup]And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. rom 2: [sup]28[/sup]For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: [sup]29[/sup]But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.Paul upon His conversion, learned who are Gods jews..which turned out to be contrary to his former beliefs and those of his country men..
    Yes.Romans 11:23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
     
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    I will add this... without the physical Israel (Jacob and his descendants), there would no spiritual Israel existed. In short, the spiritual can not exist without the physical first.
     
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    QUOTE (Daniel Keeran @ Mar 8 2009, 02:21 PM)
    Yes.Romans 11:23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
    Sorry, thats referring to individual branches and not to national israel, national israel is under Judicial blindness, forever..QUOTE
    Iwill add this... without the physical Israel (Jacob and his descendants), there would no spiritual Israel existed
    You just added your lie..israel is spiritual .
     
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    QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 9 2009, 01:50 AM)
    Sorry, thats referring to individual branches and not to national israel, national israel is under Judicial blindness, forever..You just added your lie..israel is spiritual .
    Another important passage is this messianic prophecy:Deuteronomy 18:18-1918 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will CALL HIM TO ACCOUNT.Acts 3:22-23For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. Anyone who does not listen to him will be COMPLETELY CUT OFF from among his people.'Acts 7:37"This is that Moses who told the Israelites, 'God will send you a prophet like me from your own people.'
     
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    QUOTE (Follower @ Nov 1 2008, 02:46 PM)
    To add to the confusion, "Jew" is commonly used for anyone who holds the non-Christian.... Oh, let's be honest, anti-Christian belief that Jesus is not the fortold Messiah.`
    You said it right! There are Jews today from the tribe of Judah. non- Christians are called gentiles. Unbelieving Jews are blinded Jews. I can't wait for God to come and wipe all of this miss understanding out, for it profits little. Either you believe in Christ whether you are Jew, Gentile, or Greek, for without Christ we are nothing. Vickie
     
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    QUOTE (Daniel Keeran @ Mar 9 2009, 06:31 PM)
    Another important passage is this messianic prophecy:Deuteronomy 18:18-1918 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will CALL HIM TO ACCOUNT.Acts 3:22-23For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. Anyone who does not listen to him will be COMPLETELY CUT OFF from among his people.'Acts 7:37"This is that Moses who told the Israelites, 'God will send you a prophet like me from your own people.'
    Jesus was their brethern from flesh, but nor their brethern spiritually, most had satan spiritually as their Father, jn 8 44..these jews were no kin to Jesus christ save by race..but Gods definition of a true jew excludes race..rom 2: [sup]28[/sup]For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: [sup]29[/sup]But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.Dont disregard Gods definition of a jew, thats very disrespecful to God and His word..
     
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    QUOTE (archaeologist @ Nov 27 2008, 05:18 PM)
    what kind of documentation do you have for this idea? what credible sources or links do you have that would expoiund upon this conclusion?
    The best documentation when discussing biblical topics is the Bible. The Bible explains in detail the capture of the entire 12 tribes of Israel by the Assyrians. The Assyrians did not make a clean sweep on the first or second try. It took three attempts by the Assyrians to capture all of Israel accept for the portions of Judah and Benjamin (and part of Levi) that were protected within the fenced cities. The Israelites were taken from their lands and transported into the area of the Medes and Persians (right by the Caucasus mountains thus the name Caucasians). http://www.parowanprophet.com/Great_Seal/m..._israel_map.htm The map in this link (though a bit crude) shows the migration of true Israel into and onto the European continent. For more information take a look at these links: http://israelitewatchmen.com/archive/refer...mparet/sermons/http://www.israelect.com/reference/WesleyASwift/sermons/http://www.asis.com/users/stag/symbols.htmlhttp://www.shepherdschapel.com/index.cfmThese sites are only a beginning. There are hundreds of books by hundreds of authors that reveal the truth of Israel and her true identity.
     
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