Two forces collide: Marxism begins to unravel

[Peltast]

For many years now, the closet Marxists who secretly run most western countries have pursued a deliberate policy of favouring certain minorities. Of course such an approach was bound to unravel eventually, and now that is happening in Derby, England.

Five Muslim men are on trial in respect of a leaflet which says that gay men should be hanged. While I dislike Islam, and have no desire to kill any gay person, I do nevertheless recognise the importance of free speech. If the establishment has enough sense, they will either drop the charges or else offer all five men a caution.

 

[Foreigner]

For many years now, the closet Marxists who secretly run most western countries....

...Aaaaaaand we're done.

 

[aspen]

Closeted Marxists - lol. So they are ashamed to be Marxists?


I suggest that you go and brush up on the tenets of Fascism - the US is far more Fascist than communist in this stage of it's history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

 

[Peltast]

Closeted Marxists - lol. So they are ashamed to be Marxists?
Have you never heard of the long march through the institutions? Post-war politics in the UK has been saturated with communist ideology.

I suggest that you go and brush up on the tenets of Fascism
TBH I have a lot of trouble working out the difference between communism and fascism. One difference appears to be that the former is openly hostile to Christianity, whereas the latter tends to blow hot and cold.
the US is far more Fascist than communist in this stage of it's history.
I was talking about the United Kingdom, but you may well be right about the US being fascist.

 

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For many years now, the closet Marxists who secretly run most western countries have pursued a deliberate policy of favouring certain minorities. Of course such an approach was bound to unravel eventually, and now that is happening in Derby, England.

Five Muslim men are on trial in respect of a leaflet which says that gay men should be hanged. While I dislike Islam, and have no desire to kill any gay person, I do nevertheless recognise the importance of free speech. If the establishment has enough sense, they will either drop the charges or else offer all five men a caution.

Your post is very interesting, but I disagree with your interpretation of some of it.

Marxism is an economic policy. As such it no longer rules any country. Russia and China have abandoned it for the most part, adopting a sort of centrally directed capitalism. Same is true for most of the nations of the west. It is not necessarily true for Islamic nations, however.

Here's why.

You are pretty close to the mark when you state that Marxist influence rules all. Marx based his notions on the philosophy of Hegel and Kirkegard.

Classic western philosophy was based upon thesis and anti-thesis. If a thing isn't right, its wrong.

Modern thinking is based on relativism or philosophical synthesis (advanced by the aforementioned Hegel & Kirkegard). Instead of right and wrong, we have right and not-right. All things are now relative to one another and there is no such thing as a moral imperative.

Consequently we now live with a cultural dialectic or split. On the one side we have a godless meaningless humanistic faith and on the other side we have mechanical thinking focused on the details of life - devoid of purpose and meaning.

This philosophy denies God as well as any metaphysical manifestation and to some extent even inter-personal human relations. Everything is now relative TO ME, as it were.

It has even penetrated the church. This is why we see so much of the prosperity gospel, personality worship (TV preachers building their own empires) situational ethics preached in church instead of Jesus and Him crucified and why NO ONE speaks about political issues from the pulpit (ex: gay cultural influence, extremist fascist American militarism, etc.). Morality is passé. In some circles you can't even use the word.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own."
- Mythbusters

It isn't closet mysterious Marxists that rule the world, it's the spread of relativistic humanism IN THE CHURCH that is ruining western civilization.

Islam, for all its faults, has rejected this sort of thinking. In fact, they are violently opposed to it. Wrong as their agenda may be in some areas, their continued insistence upon a clear cut classical philosophy of right vs. wrong provides impressive cultural strength and attraction. Islam is experiencing a phenomenal growth in the world today because of it.

Christianity is withering and shrinking because we have denied the power of right vs. wrong, of the true essence of God as the Lord of heaven and earth and the sole arbiter of righteousness. We have substituted our own relative perceptions and we shall die as a culture because of it.

It isn't the Marxists. It's us.

 

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Closeted Marxists - lol. So they are ashamed to be Marxists?


I suggest that you go and brush up on the tenets of Fascism - the US is far more Fascist than communist in this stage of it's history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

You are very very correct in your statement, sir. I wish it were otherwise, but you are entirely completely correct. The truth stings.

One of the problem with Americans is that our government treats us like mushrooms; they keep us in the dark and feed us with manure.
That's why our heads are so full of ..... propaganda.

 

[aspen]

You are very very correct in your statement, sir. I wish it were otherwise, but you are entirely completely correct. The truth stings.

One of the problem with Americans is that our government treats us like mushrooms; they keep us in the dark and feed us with manure.
That's why our heads are so full of ..... propaganda.

I got rid of TV about 2 years ago - it is such a relief to not have all the manufactured fear in my head from all the garbage emanating from that screen.

 

[veteran]

You are very very correct in your statement, sir. I wish it were otherwise, but you are entirely completely correct. The truth stings.

One of the problem with Americans is that our government treats us like mushrooms; they keep us in the dark and feed us with manure.
That's why our heads are so full of ..... propaganda.

Fasism, Communism, both the same thing. One was National Socialist while the other was a Soviet Republic (USSR).

Both used the principles of Hegel's Socialism, which is exactly what globalists in the Christian west have been using.

The apple has not fallen that far from the tree.

 

[veteran]

One of these days many are going to wake up to how the occult heiarchy in this present world are the main ones behind the various political movements like Communist-Socialism and world Globalism against Christ's Church and people. Like Apostle Paul said, "For we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" (Eph.6:12).

Even though there's a media blackout about the existence and workings of the mystical secret societies, most everyone realizes or at least suspects their existence and influence in the world today. It would be foolish to not suspect their existence based on what Apostle Paul revealed there in Ephesians 6:12. Any Christian believer here involved in such movements should get out of those societies while there's still time today, for the time is getting real... short for Christ's return. It won't be well with those involved in such occult movements.

 

[marksman]

rjp, may I commend you about your down to earth reality about life today. To add to what you have said, I believe that an outcome of your observations is a battle between truth and lies. I have been following the same sex marriage issue and the fact is that most of the rationale for their claims are downright lies so the issue is not should we legalize SSM but are we going to support the truth or lies.

If we support lies, we are telling society that truth is no longer a necessary ingredient for a sane society.

We should not be surprised at this as it is satanically inspired and as we know he is the father of lies and could not tell the truth to save his life.

At the same time, power is the name of the game. The humanist/atheist/homosexual cartel has been very clever in marginalizing the church because it has been the overarching power in a compassionate society. The standards set by the church, have by and large, been the standards of society.

Over time the church has abrogated its place of power and handed it over to the other lot by forsaking the true gospel and getting into bed with the enemy in the name of tolerance. When it comes to fundamentals, compromise never works and the fifth column always infiltrates the host and destroys it.

The bottom line for me is that the church by and large is building its kingdom and neglecting the kingdom of God. They are doing what benefits them instead of doing what advances God's kingdom.

Fortunately, non western nations have not been dragged onto the treadmill of irrelevance and are changing people and nations by the power of God. It seems that the centre’s of Christian growth are no longer the western nations. Asia, Africa and South America have taken over the mantle.

They are not emptying the church by degrees as we are. They are filling them with the power of God.

Hitler achieved what he did because the church let him and compromised themselves. The atheist/humanist/homosexual cartel has achieved what they have because the church has allowed them to by compromising themselves. The war today is no less intense except that it is spiritual, not physical as in WW2. Whilst satan is running rampage across the globe, the church is playing in the sandpit. Not wanting to be disturbed or trying to be "nice." As a result as the scripture says "If a trumpet gives an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself for battle"1 Cor 14:8

rjp, may I commend you about your down to earth reality about life today. To add to what you have said, I believe that an outcome of your observations is a battle between truth and lies. I have been folliwng the same sex marriage issue and the fact is that most of the rationale for their claims are downright lies so the issue is not should we legalise SSM but are we going to support the truth or lies.

If we support lies, we are telling society that truth is no longer a necessary ingredient for a sane society.

We should not be surprised at this as it is satanically inspired and as we know he is the father of lies and could not tell the truth to save his life.

At the same time, power is the name of the game. The humanist/atheist/homosexual cartel have been very clever in marginalising the church because it has been the overarching power in a compassionate society. The standards set by the church, have by and large, been the standards of society.

Over time the church has abrogated its place of power and handed it over to the other lot by forsaking the true gospel and getting into bed with the enemy in the name of tolerance. When it comes to fundamentals, compromise never works and the fifth column always infiltrates the host and destroys it.

The bottom line for me is that the church by and large is building its kingdom and neglecting the kingdom of God. They are doing what benefits them instead of doing what advances God's kingdom.

Fortunately, non western nations have not been dragged onto the treadmill of irrelevance and are changing people and nations by the power of God. It seems that the centres of christian growth are no longer the western nations. Asia, Africa and South America have taken over the mantle.

They are not emptying the church by degrees as we are. They are filling them with the power of God.

Hitler achieved what he did because the church let him and compromised themselves. The atheist/humanist/homosexual cartel have achieved what they have because the church has allowed them to by compromising themselves. The church no longer has a bell that is ringing with clarity.

The war today is no less intense except that it is spiritual, not physical as in WW2. Whilst satan is running rampage across the globe, the church is playing in the sandpit. not wanting to be disturbed or trying to be "nice."

 

[aspen]

I guess it must be comforting to construct two artificial towers of babel and label them 'right' and 'wrong' - of course what we really mean is 'us' and 'them'. not sure how people fall into the same old thinking errors time and time again.

We know nothing about 'right' and 'wrong' - only God does and He judges the heart not our ability to impose our interpretation of His law on people who do not know Him. The Kingdom of God is not found in man's law of the land - it is present in the hearts of His believers.

Conquering America for God by imposing a Christian form of Sharia law is as literal and legalistic as Zionists thinking that they are doing God's Will by clinging to a strip of land and fighting to the death over it.

 

[marksman]

[sub]I apologise for my last post appearing twice. My computer did a blip whilst I was posting hence the mistake. I would edit it out but I can't see an edit buttom. [/sub]

 

[lawrance]

The Church let Hitler do what he did ? what Church are you talking about the Lutheran or RC.

The thing is when looking in to before WW2 the Lutheran Church had no hope of controlling Hitler and the RC tried to but the people loved Hitler because he at least got thing done and he turned their lives around from absolute hopelessness to a proud people looking to a bright future.
The thing was the German people did not want to be treated like that again and it is this that gave Hitler more power. the cunning forces of very wealthy poms etc in their diabolical ruthlessness added to this extreme hatred of them being seen as just Capitalist pigs.
I will say this that extreme right wing capitalist are just as criminal as the extreme left wing both are ruthless bastard morons. and the commies only came about mainly because of the stupidity of filthy greedy rat bags. and this gave power to cunning Como's who clean up on the gullible masses with a whole box of tricks and getting Christianity out of the way is a top priority because it 's a threat to their shocking filthy criminal existence.
I think a fundamental difference between fascist and a Como is fascist have a belief in people and want them to become great and Como's don't as they despise all people as something to be put in a cage so to speak.

The satanic forces in the world today are that powerful corrupting people with so much such trash pushing PC and that people just evolved from apes rubbish and the relentless attacks on Christianity. and i am sure they will win but at a cost that will make Hitler etc look like nothing and in the end Christ will win because evil can not feed on evil.

When i talk to people i see that people have learnt nothing from WW2 at all. and i can't help thinking that all them people who went to war that it was all just in vain. people will rant and rave at me for saying that and i hate having to sayi it as it makes me angry to, but the fact is Jesus Christ is the only way end of story as he is the well spring so to speak.

 

[marksman]

An interesting statistic is that last year, the hits searching the word "Jesus" far outweighed the hits for atheism on Google.

My feeling is that atheism/marxism will fade into the background as the onslaught of Islam will take front and centre as it tries to subjugate everyone under its brutal satanic rule.

 

[lawrance]

An interesting statistic is that last year, the hits searching the word "Jesus" far outweighed the hits for atheism on Google.

My feeling is that atheism/marxism will fade into the background as the onslaught of Islam will take front and centre as it tries to subjugate everyone under its brutal satanic rule.

Radical Islam mainly ?
We have plenty of satanic rule in our own lot.

 

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The Church let Hitler do what he did ? what Church are you talking about the Lutheran or RC.

The thing is when looking in to before WW2 the Lutheran Church had no hope of controlling Hitler and the RC tried to but the people loved Hitler because he at least got thing done and he turned their lives around from absolute hopelessness to a proud people looking to a bright future.
The thing was the German people did not want to be treated like that again and it is this that gave Hitler more power. the cunning forces of very wealthy poms etc in their diabolical ruthlessness added to this extreme hatred of them being seen as just Capitalist pigs.
I will say this that extreme right wing capitalist are just as criminal as the extreme left wing both are ruthless bastard morons. and the commies only came about mainly because of the stupidity of filthy greedy rat bags. and this gave power to cunning Como's who clean up on the gullible masses with a whole box of tricks and getting Christianity out of the way is a top priority because it 's a threat to their shocking filthy criminal existence.
I think a fundamental difference between fascist and a Como is fascist have a belief in people and want them to become great and Como's don't as they despise all people as something to be put in a cage so to speak.

The satanic forces in the world today are that powerful corrupting people with so much such trash pushing PC and that people just evolved from apes rubbish and the relentless attacks on Christianity. and i am sure they will win but at a cost that will make Hitler etc look like nothing and in the end Christ will win because evil can not feed on evil.

When i talk to people i see that people have learnt nothing from WW2 at all. and i can't help thinking that all them people who went to war that it was all just in vain. people will rant and rave at me for saying that and i hate having to sayi it as it makes me angry to, but the fact is Jesus Christ is the only way end of story as he is the well spring so to speak.

Yes, the church LET HITLER do what he wanted. In fact, the church gave him its blessing. To be fair there were a few men of integrity in the church such as Detrich Bonhoeffer, but by and large the church abdicated its authority to the NAZI regime. By the end of the war, men of conscience who opposed Hitler mostly included military and ex-political leaders. See the movie Valkyrie for a history lesson. The movie, by the way, doesn't include Bonhoeffer even though he too was executed with the rest of the conspirators.

The subversion of the church was accomplished by design. Hitler said that the pathetic religious leaders would do anything to preserve their meaningless little positions (the words 'pathetic' and 'meaningless' were his). Therefore the NAZI government established financial support for the German churches in the form of subsidies, tax breaks, financial aid, etc. Once the money was accepted, church leaders found it impossible to escape their leash. After that, all the Reich government had to do to get religious support from the churches was to threaten to withhold financing. Bonhoeffer tried to create support for independent religious thought, but as time went on even the meager few who initially agreed with him left the group. They either fell into compliance with the regime or disappeared in the middle of the night.

In a somewhat similar fashion IRS statute 501.c.3 regulates what the American church can and cannot do with regard to preaching and public dissemination of thought. If a church wishes to retain their coveted tax break status they CANNOT support a political initiative that opposes government policy, they cannot oppose sanctioned government policy of any sort. This is why, for the most part, churches don't preach against the Gay Rights movement, American militarism, and why they don't generally support any politician. Oh yes, from time to time the president or a candidate will have a photo opportunity in front of a church but that isn't the same thing.

(BTW political identification with Christianity is becoming passé today, so I doubt we'll see many more of those 'photo opportunities' anyway.)

The church in 1930's Germany made no effort whatsoever to rebuke or oppose NAZI policy or activity. None. They could have, but didn't.
Similarly, the church in America makes no effort whatsoever to rebuke or oppose our new and improved version of American fascism and the encroachment of our police state mentality.

Where there is no vision, the people die.
Prov 29:18

 

[lawrance]

Right you are.
But there were big arguments with Hitler and the Catholic Church.
But when we look into the 1930's Hitler was not doing any thing really wrong and the people in other countries were jealous of how Germany was prospering and wished their countries were going ahead like Germany was as well. and that is why the German people living under the disgraceful treatment of the polish government had a gut full of their vicious thuggery and low life stupidity that they called on Hitler to help save them from being lost in a backward hopeless country.

There was a Jew problems back then. but the way TV shows etc portray it. it just comes across as a simplistic stupid joke and in fact it's a disgraceful short sighted narrow minded descriptions as it goes no where to educating anyone at all.

Plenty Germans have a Jewish blood line going back to the year 300 etc and most of the high ranking NAZIS were Of a Jewish blood line. and that's a fact. but your average dodo is so brain washed he can't stand to hear the truth.

Not all Jews are the same, but if you say this to people you get a stupid dumb look of bewilderment back. i say it's just like Christians they are not all the same ya fool ! are they now ?

 

[veteran]

Yes, the church LET HITLER do what he wanted. In fact, the church gave him its blessing. To be fair there were a few men of integrity in the church such as Detrich Bonhoeffer, but by and large the church abdicated its authority to the NAZI regime. By the end of the war, men of conscience who opposed Hitler mostly included military and ex-political leaders. See the movie Valkyrie for a history lesson. The movie, by the way, doesn't include Bonhoeffer even though he too was executed with the rest of the conspirators.

The subversion of the church was accomplished by design. Hitler said that the pathetic religious leaders would do anything to preserve their meaningless little positions (the words 'pathetic' and 'meaningless' were his). Therefore the NAZI government established financial support for the German churches in the form of subsidies, tax breaks, financial aid, etc. Once the money was accepted, church leaders found it impossible to escape their leash. After that, all the Reich government had to do to get religious support from the churches was to threaten to withhold financing. Bonhoeffer tried to create support for independent religious thought, but as time went on even the meager few who initially agreed with him left the group. They either fell into compliance with the regime or disappeared in the middle of the night.

In a somewhat similar fashion IRS statute 501.c.3 regulates what the American church can and cannot do with regard to preaching and public dissemination of thought. If a church wishes to retain their coveted tax break status they CANNOT support a political initiative that opposes government policy, they cannot oppose sanctioned government policy of any sort. This is why, for the most part, churches don't preach against the Gay Rights movement, American militarism, and why they don't generally support any politician. Oh yes, from time to time the president or a candidate will have a photo opportunity in front of a church but that isn't the same thing.

(BTW political identification with Christianity is becoming passé today, so I doubt we'll see many more of those 'photo opportunities' anyway.)

The church in 1930's Germany made no effort whatsoever to rebuke or oppose NAZI policy or activity. None. They could have, but didn't.
Similarly, the church in America makes no effort whatsoever to rebuke or oppose our new and improved version of American fascism and the encroachment of our police state mentality.

Where there is no vision, the people die.
Prov 29:18

So that's actually about a Church LEADERSHIP, and not all Christians in Germany in that time. Isn't Christianity outside of Germany defeating Hitler's regime enough to account for the Church taking part in Hitler's defeat? I think so, obviously so. Mussolini had control of Italy allied with Hitler under Fascism also. Mussolini was actually one of Hitler's beloved role models.

But what of all the hundreds of thousands that died during WWII that were not involved in the Holocaust? Should we always be addressing the Holocaust event while disregarding many others that died because of Hitler's Germany?

And why is Hitler being brought up here in the first place, since this thread is about freedom of speech in Britain?

 

[lawrance]

Well people are saying that the USA and even Australia are becoming more fascist and dictatorial.
Our leaders are not looking after their voters interest at all really are they, as they have their own agenda with people in the shadows behind it all pulling the strings. i smell a rat !

It's about trying to kill capitalism then they can roll in with Marxism as the new god.

O well it's going to happen anyway <_< millions will only starve to death but that ok because no one know or gives a damn about the people who were starved in the Ukraine do they and more than one or two of them were starved to death. but people who are left wing only believe what there mob will tell them anyway.

 

[aspen]

What would Conservative Christianity be without the political paranoia! HAHA