Ukraine at brink of collapse due to Russian missiles destroying their energy infrastructure

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Russia has a lot more missiles left to use. The LEFT governments of the world kept saying Russia was out of missiles with every barrage they fired.

Well Russia is nearly out of missiles, but that could mean they still have 1,000 compared to what they started with.

Yes Putin in his barbarism is attacking civilian targets in defiance of the Geneva conventions his nation is a signatory of.

But that will not stop the defeat of Russia in the Ukraine. It will only harden the resolve of the citizens to take it ot the Russians.

And destroying civilan infrastructure historically is the sign of imminent defeat of the one destroying civilian life.
 

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Ukraine war capacity is being neutralized, that is the goal of course in any war.
If Russia keeps up the bombardment, Ukraine will not be able to continue the war, and the war will be over. Similar things the allies did to Germany at the end of ww2, firebombing so many cities which broke the backs of the German people's ability to wage wars.
Our fire bombing was worse than what the Russians are doing as we did not discriminate targets nor perhaps could be done or we cared to do that then. Today we call it shock and awe what the US military plans against a population we are at with to destroy their ability to wage war.

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The targeting of 330 kilovolt transformers in various switching stations has cut some 50% of the distribution capability of Ukraine’s electricity network. These transformers weigh up to 200 tons. There are no replacements. You do not buy them at the next corner but will have to order them with years of lead time. As far as I can tell Russia is currently the only producer of transformers of that type.


An unreliable energy sector could have deadly consequences, Ukrainian officials say. In recent conversations, they’ve added that it could halt food production and transport operations — critical services needed to support military operations.

One depot of artillery armament, delivered by western countries and prepared for being sent to troops, has been destroyed. The redeployment of the reserve forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), and the delivery of foreign armament to operations areas have been frustrated.
 
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The things we did to end the war.

As shocking as such an enormous number of dead is, it did not stand out in the war’s history of “strategic bombing” of cities.
Most German cities had been flattened by 1945, and many left higher proportionate death rates and degrees of destruction.
 

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Ukraine war capacity is being neutralized, that is the goal of course in any war.
If Russia keeps up the bombardment, Ukraine will not be able to continue the war, and the war will be over. Similar things the allies did to Germany at the end of ww2, firebombing so many cities which broke the backs of the German people's ability to wage wars.
Our fire bombing was worse than what the Russians are doing as we did not discriminate targets nor perhaps could be done or we cared to do that then. Today we call it shock and awe what the US military plans against a population we are at with to destroy their ability to wage war.

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The targeting of 330 kilovolt transformers in various switching stations has cut some 50% of the distribution capability of Ukraine’s electricity network. These transformers weigh up to 200 tons. There are no replacements. You do not buy them at the next corner but will have to order them with years of lead time. As far as I can tell Russia is currently the only producer of transformers of that type.


An unreliable energy sector could have deadly consequences, Ukrainian officials say. In recent conversations, they’ve added that it could halt food production and transport operations — critical services needed to support military operations.

One depot of artillery armament, delivered by western countries and prepared for being sent to troops, has been destroyed. The redeployment of the reserve forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), and the delivery of foreign armament to operations areas have been frustrated.

Yes 1 arms depot was destroyed from dozens that are for allied armament.

Yes Russia is destroying civilian infrastructure. Yes both the axis and allies did it in WW2 but after teh war signed conventions to stop that barbarism, including Russia! So Putin is committing crimes against humanity with his targeting of civilian infrastructure.

If Russia does win thie war by bringing the civilian population to its knees by its brutal targeting of civilian targets, the cost of victory to Russia will be very very very great. It will only be able to rely on other thug dictators to trade with.
 

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Yes 1 arms depot was destroyed from dozens that are for allied armament.

Yes Russia is destroying civilian infrastructure. Yes both the axis and allies did it in WW2 but after teh war signed conventions to stop that barbarism, including Russia! So Putin is committing crimes against humanity with his targeting of civilian infrastructure.

If Russia does win thie war by bringing the civilian population to its knees by its brutal targeting of civilian targets, the cost of victory to Russia will be very very very great. It will only be able to rely on other thug dictators to trade with.
My answer to that is BRICS. Russia will do well to the consternation of the woke western governments who are in decline. Our standards of living will be going lower, BRIC nations higher. Of course you might argue up from the bottom is an improvement, which just shows how proud the western nations have lived their lives.


For the last seventy years or so, at least since WWII, the United States has been the world's superpower. Like a menacing big brother, (hegemony) the world stage has played second fiddle to the demands and dictates of US policy. However, the emergence of BRICS puts the US and EU on notice that things will change, with or without US consent.

US and EU plus (western dominated nations) united alone against the world in the near future, yet that also seems to be where the seat of the Beast world Government will eventually form to evilly take over and form an evil coming world government united against Christ with whom they will eventually fight a delusional war, that battle of Armagedden.


There are delusional leaders in the US who also plan to take out China's government, along with Russia and anyone else who is not fully allied with the WEF to support its world dominance anti-human policies.
 
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US and EU plus (western dominated nations) united alone against the world in the near future, yet that also seems to be where the seat of the Beast world Government will eventually form to evilly take over and form an evil coming world government united against Christ with whom they will eventually fight a delusional war, that battle of Armagedden.

And the Brics nations will be there as well. they are not holier than thou.
My answer to that is BRICS. Russia will do well to the consternation of the woke western governments who are in decline. Our standards of living will be going lower, BRIC nations higher. Of course you might argue up from the bottom is an improvement, which just shows how proud the western nations have lived their lives.

BRICS is a coalition that is failing.

Russia and China are both in free fall economically. As bad as the EU and US are- China is worse. Brazil is not much better. India is the only bright spot there. The Saudis would fail if they abandoned the US
For the last seventy years or so, at least since WWII, the United States has been the world's superpower. Like a menacing big brother, (hegemony) the world stage has played second fiddle to the demands and dictates of US policy. However, the emergence of BRICS puts the US and EU on notice that things will change, with or without US consent.
You do not seem to realize that this was done by design at Bretton Woods. The US was the one who allowed globalization to take place! Very little trade was done outside ones sphere of influence. But after WW2, the US had the worlds largest navy and insured the freedom of the seas that allowed an open global marketplace. We made sure everybody could trade with everybody. The US also rebuilt Europe and Japan.

Now this country has sunk badly since then, but the US insured that nations could propser because of free trade.

You should go on You Tube and look up and watch some programs from Peter Zeihan. They are very illuminating! Russia and China are economic basket cases.
 

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At some point the delusional west may decide to cut losses and pull the support.
I have read senior US military have told Ukraine to negotiate with Russia and end to the war, they don't do that in a vacuum. But Ukraine has told them to pound sand, that they will fight to the last Ukrainian. Miley says Ukraine will never force Russia out and to negotiate from here as they will only get weaker, the Ukraine, and that Ukraine will eventually lose the war.


Besides that, America will get tired of the war, and quit, just like every single one before, as it is not our war.
 

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At some point the delusional west may decide to cut losses and pull the support.
I have read senior US military have told Ukraine to negotiate with Russia and end to the war, they don't do that in a vacuum. But Ukraine has told them to pound sand, that they will fight to the last Ukrainian. Miley says Ukraine will never force Russia out and to negotiate from here as they will only get weaker, the Ukraine, and that Ukraine will eventually lose the war.


Besides that, America will get tired of the war, and quit, just like every single one before, as it is not our war.
Maybe America will pull, or maybe they won't. Time will tell.

But why should Ukraine sue for peace when they are winning this war? They have taken back over half the territory Russia took since Feb. 1. Russian troops have been nearly cut of from their supplies and running low on everything.
2. Rails belong to Ukraine and Russia supplies by rail
3. Russia has lost close ot 70% of its truck transport system.
4. Russia has to go way around to get truck convoys to their southern troops now.
5. The black sea fleet has been neutralized.
6. Crimea may fall by the end of the year and be rightfully restored to Ukraine.
7. Russian losses are approaching catastrophic levels. when they are pulling tanks off pedestals to renovate (old T-62's), it is a sign of an army losing.
8. Russian troops are using rusty old AK-47's
9. they are forced to use tampons and feminine napkins for field bandages.
10. They have to steal food for what food they do get from Russia, much of it has expired already.
11. IN leaving Kherson, they left a huge trove of weaponry- thus resupplying Ukraine.

This is not a nation who is winning!

In th esouth including Crimea Russia has only two choices left- Suffer the worst retreat in it history or suffer the worst defeat in its history. Crimea is nearly cut off from Russia resupply.
 

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At some point the delusional west may decide to cut losses and pull the support.
I have read senior US military have told Ukraine to negotiate with Russia and end to the war, they don't do that in a vacuum. But Ukraine has told them to pound sand, that they will fight to the last Ukrainian. Miley says Ukraine will never force Russia out and to negotiate from here as they will only get weaker, the Ukraine, and that Ukraine will eventually lose the war.


Besides that, America will get tired of the war, and quit, just like every single one before, as it is not our war.
Fight to the last man standing ? who is that Zelensky who would run away like the little deranged grub that he was peddling as a queer comedian that he truly is.
Zelensky is a total moron ! he brought Ukraine to War !
It's Zelensky and his Mob who pull the strings to this Moron in fact !
There was no need for this War as far as the People were concerned, bar the Nazis and the Jews fighting for dominance over the Land that is mainly only Russian people in fact.
Not to mention it was Biden and crew who pushed for this War, kicking it all off ! because they had a lot to loose !
The Satanist have been ripping of the Ukraine people for years and investing huge amounts in Ukraine.
No War is started unless their is big money to be made in Oil Gas etc and Ukraine has found such and that's why political Leaders would have got in first to invest, not to mention they would of been invited to invest in such by a few key men, who have been playing the games for some years now. So as to dominate over the ignorant Ukraine people.

One huge Monster is George Soros ! He is so powerful that even the UK fears him totally, he ripped the UK off so badly yet got off with it all ! Yep he and his Mob shafted the UK people big time in fact.
You do not hear any political Leader bag Soros do ya ? Soros the Nazi in fact a out right Satanist in fact.

F D Roosevelt said, In Politics nothing happens by accident. You can bet it was Planed that way.
 

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Ukraine war capacity is being neutralized, that is the goal of course in any war.
If Russia keeps up the bombardment, Ukraine will not be able to continue the war, and the war will be over. Similar things the allies did to Germany at the end of ww2, firebombing so many cities which broke the backs of the German people's ability to wage wars.
Our fire bombing was worse than what the Russians are doing as we did not discriminate targets nor perhaps could be done or we cared to do that then. Today we call it shock and awe what the US military plans against a population we are at with to destroy their ability to wage war.

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The targeting of 330 kilovolt transformers in various switching stations has cut some 50% of the distribution capability of Ukraine’s electricity network. These transformers weigh up to 200 tons. There are no replacements. You do not buy them at the next corner but will have to order them with years of lead time. As far as I can tell Russia is currently the only producer of transformers of that type.


An unreliable energy sector could have deadly consequences, Ukrainian officials say. In recent conversations, they’ve added that it could halt food production and transport operations — critical services needed to support military operations.

One depot of artillery armament, delivered by western countries and prepared for being sent to troops, has been destroyed. The redeployment of the reserve forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), and the delivery of foreign armament to operations areas have been frustrated.

"The targeting of 330 kilovolt transformers in various switching stations has cut some 50% of the distribution capability of Ukraine’s electricity network. These transformers weigh up to 200 tons. There are no replacements. You do not buy them at the next corner but will have to order them with years of lead time. As far as I can tell Russia is currently the only producer of transformers of that type."

Where do these uninformed "experts" come from? Highly doubtful they bombed High Voltage transformers at the Power Plants ...That involves precise bombing and zero unintentional damage to the plant. So the first substation out away from the power plant would be the choice ....Just as the US does when they disable power during war situations. Far easier to build a substation. There are numerous large power Transformer plants close to Ukraine ....CG Power Systems in Belgium, (I worked for CG and have been to their plant in Belgium ) France has several, Germany (Siemens) (ABB) is around the corner. ...If the Ukraine engineering documents survived ...the specs can be sent in a day ....someone will have an emergency space available within a few weeks. Not years as stated.... I've had transformers blow up and had a spot in line within several days ...maybe a month and on a truck ...

Years ....someone definately doesn't know the nearby capability ...Keep in mind that Japan and Korea are always looking to jump in the pond with everyone else ....My bet is that Korea (Hyaundai) (SP) would leap at the chance to play ...With an economic downturn worldwide ....there is plenty of space on manufacturing lines ...Just have to look a little ...
 

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"The targeting of 330 kilovolt transformers in various switching stations has cut some 50% of the distribution capability of Ukraine’s electricity network. These transformers weigh up to 200 tons. There are no replacements. You do not buy them at the next corner but will have to order them with years of lead time. As far as I can tell Russia is currently the only producer of transformers of that type."

Where do these uninformed "experts" come from? Highly doubtful they bombed High Voltage transformers at the Power Plants ...That involves precise bombing and zero unintentional damage to the plant. So the first substation out away from the power plant would be the choice ....Just as the US does when they disable power during war situations. Far easier to build a substation. There are numerous large power Transformer plants close to Ukraine ....CG Power Systems in Belgium, (I worked for CG and have been to their plant in Belgium ) France has several, Germany (Siemens) (ABB) is around the corner. ...If the Ukraine engineering documents survived ...the specs can be sent in a day ....someone will have an emergency space available within a few weeks. Not years as stated.... I've had transformers blow up and had a spot in line within several days ...maybe a month and on a truck ...

Years ....someone definately doesn't know the nearby capability ...Keep in mind that Japan and Korea are always looking to jump in the pond with everyone else ....My bet is that Korea (Hyaundai) (SP) would leap at the chance to play ...With an economic downturn worldwide ....there is plenty of space on manufacturing lines ...Just have to look a little ...
LPTs require substantial capital and a long-lead time (in excess of six months) to manufacture, and its production requires large crane capacities, ample floor space, and adequate testing and drying equipment.


The destroyed LPT's and however many exist, were probably built in Russia and then to transfer construction to another company is possible as long as they know the required specifications, which may also increase the lead time further. And who replaces LPT's in the midst of a major destructive war.

And the availability today, there is a real shortage of them and Ukraine low man on the totem pole. Many other more reliable and likely customers are inline ahead of them. 38 months to delivery is a long time without power for Ukraine, and 39 months is for a normal customer not in a war zone..


Today, people in the industry are reporting longer lead times to get needed equipment, including transformers. Jim Templeton, a third-party consultant to POWER Engineers with 40-plus years in the industry and his own consulting firm, JB Templeton Consulting LLC, said an aging power grid and ongoing supply chain issues are mixing in disruptive ways.

“I deal with a number of different clients on the utility side and about a year ago we started to see lead times from transformer manufacturers creep up. Before the pandemic, you could get a large transformer ordered in less than a year. Today that is rare. A relatively large manufacturer in the US was at about 38 months. That used to be 38 weeks if you were to compare,” Templeton said.

The dramatically lengthening lead times for needed parts is throwing utilities’ emergency contingency plans into confusion.

“The danger I see in this is you don’t know in that 38-month period will you lose another transformer and what will you then need to repair that spot on the grid? Our grid is, I think, fairly old. There’s a lot of aging transformers on the grid. Dealing with my clients, they are trying to come up with how do I respond to an emergency situation,” Templeton said.

Scott Marshall. principal engineer with POWER Engineers, said equipment distributors used to have reservation slots for emergency situations, but now are not able to find used transformers.


“When I was with a utility, we could go to a transformer supplier in an emergency and get what we needed in about six months. That quick replacement we used to be able to get, you might be waiting a year or more. They can’t find those slots for you,” Marshall said. “They may put in a dicey unit just to get the power flowing, knowing that they may have to replace it in one or two years.”



In a video interview with T&D World, Templeton said many utilities get their equipment, including transformers, from an approved supplier list. The tightening of certain supplies led to utilities going off their usual lists and make compromises just to get needed gear.

“[Utilities having trouble finding equipment] now have to open up the doors to a much larger set of potential suppliers, ones they’ve never had a relationship with before just to get what they need. That might not sound horrible, but these relationships have a positive effect on the procurement slide,” Templeton said. “Now people are having to purchase from companies and countries that they never worked with before.”

It is still relatively easy to get a 10 MVA transformer from a supplier utilities know and are used to dealing with, but a 1000 MVA transformer might not be available from a reliable source, Templeton said.
 
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LPT's in a modern manufacturing facility use robotics to wind the coils. They may also utilize robotic welders to assemble the box. In our new facility in Washington , MO we used robotics and depended on welders to complete the process. Speeds up test. (no leaks) We used the Japanese and Korean method ....Air pallets to raise and move the transformers in process. Though overhead cranes accessed every inch of the plant. Months is more precise compared with the "Years" predicted originally ...That tells you immediately that the access to major transformer pants are not one source (Russia) but a host of sources .....Imagine Europe as the United States in distance ...Materials are readingly available ....Capital may well be a challenge ...How much money does Ukraine have in it's Treasury? ABB can provide everythig they need. They do almost all the coal fired plant turbines and transformers for China ...
 
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If Russia does win thie war by bringing the civilian population to its knees by its brutal targeting of civilian targets, the cost of victory to Russia will be very very very great. It will only be able to rely on other thug dictators to trade with.
Which is to say there will be no cost to Russia at all. :confused:
 

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But why should Ukraine sue for peace when they are winning this war?
This post shows the effectiveness of propaganda. You should never believe your own propaganda.



Excerpts from Conservapedia:

Essay: 7 reasons the Republicans should end funding the war in Ukraine immediately if they win control of the U.S Congress in the 2022 midterms

1. Ukraine war threatens to push 1.7 billion people across the world into hunger and poverty.

2. U.S. politicians care more about the Ukraine borders and Ukrainian lives more than the USA borders and American lives.

3. The USA national debt is gigantic and the USA is sending a lot of money and military hardware to Ukraine.

4. Ukraine/Russia are both corrupt and both have issues with authoritarianism.[9][10] The notion that the USA is fighting for democracy by supporting the Ukrainians is a farce.

5. This war could seriously harm the European economy due to the fuel crisis which will hurt USA exports to Europe.

6. The Russian leader Vladimir Putin is probably bluffing about using nukes, but desperate people do desperate things. Why raise the risk of nuclear war so the corrupt/authoritarian Ukrainians will have power over Ukraine instead of the corrupt/authoritarian Russians?

7. Ukraine is not of vital strategic importance to the USA. The USA has two huge oceans and the Canadians or Mexicans are not going to war with the USA. Europe has twice the population of the USA. Let the Europeans handle this issue which is in their backyard. Let them fund the Ukrainians and their war.
 

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Stand alone substation ....Not next to the power plant ....If Russia hit that with a missile ......is their aim that bad everywhere else?
I thought it an interesting picture and article. This one pic is no indication of any other kind of electrical destruction happening.
 

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Live news just in now, officials saying colossal destruction of Ukraine's power grid has just occurred.
I suppose that means Russia has been striking Ukraine's power grid very effectively today.
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LIVE – Updated at 15:27
Head of Ukraine’s power grid operator says almost no thermal or hydroelectric stations left unscathed by Russian attacks.


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The head of Ukraine’s national power grid operator, Ukrenergo, has described the damage dealt to Ukrainian power-generating facilities by Russian missile attacks as “colossal”.
Volodymyr Kudrytskyi,
the chief executive officer of Ukrenergo, told a briefing that practically no thermal or hydroelectric stations had been left unscathed by the Russian attacks.
Kudrytskyi said:

The scale of destruction is colossal. In Ukraine there is a power generation deficit. We cannot generate as much energy as consumers can use.