Understanding... "your Liberty",

[Behold]

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Reader..

Paul told us something very real.

He said...>"use not your LIBERTY, for an occasion to the Flesh" ( to lust and go do it).

See that world "liberty".....

""Use not your LIBERTY""......to go and enjoy your flesh., tho you can, as you have free will.

What is the Liberty?
The liberty is the fact of being "made righteous", and having "eternal life".

Reader, Here is something that can help you understand this idea of...>"what if i do this, am i still saved"..
Listen.
You have done things and confessed it later........how many times?
Im talking to a member here today, who is repenting all the time, for years...still trying to work his way to heaven., still trying to perform for God so that God will accept him.

Now, look closely.
When you were watching that movie with sex in it.
When you were getting drunk after you were saved.
When you fornicated after you were saved, or thought about it 1000 times, after you were saved.
When you kept smoking, and you kept cussing, and you kept on doing these fleshly things...
The QUESTION Is.....
Who was in you while you were doing them?
Who was in you, while you were doing those things that you repented of later, and confessed as sin, later. ??

Who was in you?
= God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
So, while you were doing those DEEDS that you knew were sin, while you were "using your liberty for a fleshly pleasure">. that you confessed or repented of later ... God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit were right there with you when you did them., every time, year after year.
See it?
They didnt go anywhere, reader.
They STAYED IN YOU...., and you did what you did, and they were still there., and are right now in you if you are born again.

What's that mean? It means you can't lose your Salvation.
You can't stop being born again by BEHAVIOR issues, or FAITH issues.

If you are born again, then you are and you will remain : "The Temple of the Holy Spirit".
See, there is a reason that no apostle, and Christ, and Paul, ever wrote that if Christ in is you, He will leave you if you are a born again bad little boy or a bad little girl, with no faith.
There is a reason that Paul, never said you could "lose Christ in you" or "you can stop being the Temple of the Holy Spirit".
Its because you CANT.

God saved you, when you were UNGODLY......see that?
He didnt save you when you were good.
God saves SINNERS........"Christ came into the world to SAVE SINNERS".
So obviously God keeps the born again SAVED.
If God DID ALREADY save you as a SINNER, He can surely keep you saved as a Born Again Christian.
See it?
God has a lot of power., and the Blood of Christ, is an eternal redemption, that is not based on you being good, as it saved you when you were a hell bound ungodly unbeliever.

What i just showed you, ... is so simple to understand, but the Devil will keep you from the revelation, making you believe that you have to keep yourself saved.
Thousand of pulpits are owned by the Devil. Some Bibles are created by the Devil.
He knows how to ruin your faith, or keep you from it and on your way to hell.

There are many of his deceived here, and they all want you to believe that God wont keep you saved.
See, these people have broken faith. Or they are not born again at all.
And they will break your faith if they can, as that is their main reason for being here.
They want you to lose your real faith in Christ, as they have, and they want you up on the Cross, trying to keep yourself saved.
It's where they are hanging also, and they want you up there with them.
Thats the Devil's work in the life of a Christian.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

-
Reader..

Paul told us something very real.

He said...>"use not your LIBERTY, for an occasion to the Flesh" ( to lust and go do it).

See that world "liberty".....

""Use not your LIBERTY""......to go and enjoy your flesh., tho you can, as you have free will.

What is the Liberty?
The liberty is the fact of being "made righteous", and having "eternal life".

Reader, Here is something that can help you understand this idea of...>"what if i do this, am i still saved"..
Listen.
You have done things and confessed it later........how many times?
Im talking to a member here today, who is repenting all the time, for years...still trying to work his way to heaven., still trying to perform for God so that God will accept him.

Now, look closely.
When you were watching that movie with sex in it.
When you were getting drunk after you were saved.
When you fornicated after you were saved, or thought about it 1000 times, after you were saved.
When you kept smoking, and you kept cussing, and you kept on doing these fleshly things...
The QUESTION Is.....
Who was in you while you were doing them?
Who was in you, while you were doing those things that you repented of later, and confessed as sin, later. ??

Who was in you?
= God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
So, while you were doing those DEEDS that you knew were sin, while you were "using your liberty for a fleshly pleasure">. that you confessed or repented of later ... God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit were right there with you when you did them., every time, year after year.
See it?
They didnt go anywhere, reader.
They STAYED IN YOU...., and you did what you did, and they were still there., and are right now in you if you are born again.

What's that mean? It means you can't lose your Salvation.
You can't stop being born again by BEHAVIOR issues, or FAITH issues.

If you are born again, then you are and you will remain : "The Temple of the Holy Spirit".
See, there is a reason that no apostle, and Christ, and Paul, ever wrote that if Christ in is you, He will leave you if you are a born again bad little boy or a bad little girl, with no faith.
There is a reason that Paul, never said you could "lose Christ in you" or "you can stop being the Temple of the Holy Spirit".
Its because you CANT.

God saved you, when you were UNGODLY......see that?
He didnt save you when you were good.
God saves SINNERS........"Christ came into the world to SAVE SINNERS".
So obviously God keeps the born again SAVED.
If God DID ALREADY save you as a SINNER, He can surely keep you saved as a Born Again Christian.
See it?
God has a lot of power., and the Blood of Christ, is an eternal redemption, that is not based on you being good, as it saved you when you were a hell bound ungodly unbeliever.

What i just showed you, ... is so simple to understand, but the Devil will keep you from the revelation, making you believe that you have to keep yourself saved.
Thousand of pulpits are owned by the Devil. Some Bibles are created by the Devil.
He knows how to ruin your faith, or keep you from it and on your way to hell.

There are many of his deceived here, and they all want you to believe that God wont keep you saved.
See, these people have broken faith. Or they are not born again at all.
And they will break your faith if they can, as that is their main reason for being here.
They want you to lose your real faith in Christ, as they have, and they want you up on the Cross, trying to keep yourself saved.
It's where they are hanging also, and they want you up there with them.
Thats the Devil's work in the life of a Christian.

What I have discovered, as a baby Christian, sometimes we do something and our conscience doesn't hurt. But the same thing 10 years later cannot be done because our conscience is now aware.

The first time around when our heart does not condemn us, God wipes it clean as "unintentional." But 10 years later when it would be in full knowledge, God would hold us accountable if we kept disobeying our conscience when He's given us His Spirit to empower us to resist the devil, so our hearts gets seared. You seem to be teaching it is normal for a born again Christian to commit presumptuous sin.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

What is the Liberty?
The liberty is the fact of being "made righteous", and having "eternal life".

Liberty is the state of a free person. Where are you getting your faulty definition from?

When you were watching that movie with sex in it.

When you were getting drunk after you were saved

When you fornicated after you were saved

God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit were right there with you when you did them., every time, year after year.
See it?

“As a fountain casteth out her waters, so she casteth out her wickedness: violence and spoil is heard in her; before me continually is grief and wounds. Be thou instructed, O Jerusalem, lest my soul depart from thee; lest I make thee desolate, a land not inhabited.” (Jeremiah 6:7-8)

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

 

[Robert Gwin]

-
Reader..

Paul told us something very real.

He said...>"use not your LIBERTY, for an occasion to the Flesh" ( to lust and go do it).

See that world "liberty".....

""Use not your LIBERTY""......to go and enjoy your flesh., tho you can, as you have free will.

What is the Liberty?
The liberty is the fact of being "made righteous", and having "eternal life".

Reader, Here is something that can help you understand this idea of...>"what if i do this, am i still saved"..
Listen.
You have done things and confessed it later........how many times?
Im talking to a member here today, who is repenting all the time, for years...still trying to work his way to heaven., still trying to perform for God so that God will accept him.

Now, look closely.
When you were watching that movie with sex in it.
When you were getting drunk after you were saved.
When you fornicated after you were saved, or thought about it 1000 times, after you were saved.
When you kept smoking, and you kept cussing, and you kept on doing these fleshly things...
The QUESTION Is.....
Who was in you while you were doing them?
Who was in you, while you were doing those things that you repented of later, and confessed as sin, later. ??

Who was in you?
= God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
So, while you were doing those DEEDS that you knew were sin, while you were "using your liberty for a fleshly pleasure">. that you confessed or repented of later ... God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit were right there with you when you did them., every time, year after year.
See it?
They didnt go anywhere, reader.
They STAYED IN YOU...., and you did what you did, and they were still there., and are right now in you if you are born again.

What's that mean? It means you can't lose your Salvation.
You can't stop being born again by BEHAVIOR issues, or FAITH issues.

If you are born again, then you are and you will remain : "The Temple of the Holy Spirit".
See, there is a reason that no apostle, and Christ, and Paul, ever wrote that if Christ in is you, He will leave you if you are a born again bad little boy or a bad little girl, with no faith.
There is a reason that Paul, never said you could "lose Christ in you" or "you can stop being the Temple of the Holy Spirit".
Its because you CANT.

God saved you, when you were UNGODLY......see that?
He didnt save you when you were good.
God saves SINNERS........"Christ came into the world to SAVE SINNERS".
So obviously God keeps the born again SAVED.
If God DID ALREADY save you as a SINNER, He can surely keep you saved as a Born Again Christian.
See it?
God has a lot of power., and the Blood of Christ, is an eternal redemption, that is not based on you being good, as it saved you when you were a hell bound ungodly unbeliever.

What i just showed you, ... is so simple to understand, but the Devil will keep you from the revelation, making you believe that you have to keep yourself saved.
Thousand of pulpits are owned by the Devil. Some Bibles are created by the Devil.
He knows how to ruin your faith, or keep you from it and on your way to hell.

There are many of his deceived here, and they all want you to believe that God wont keep you saved.
See, these people have broken faith. Or they are not born again at all.
And they will break your faith if they can, as that is their main reason for being here.
They want you to lose your real faith in Christ, as they have, and they want you up on the Cross, trying to keep yourself saved.
It's where they are hanging also, and they want you up there with them.
Thats the Devil's work in the life of a Christian.

When words like this comes up in old English versions of the Bible, I find that the web site Blue Letter Bible can be quite beneficial in our understanding in what is being said. You simply type in the word in the search, and everywhere it occurs in the Bible it will come up. Then under tools you can even click on the word and find out much information on it, how it was used, the definition as well as the original word. In more modern English we see that Liberty actually means freedom. Romans 8:21 is an easy verse to help in the understanding of what it means Be, while unbelievers are a slave to corruption, Christians have a freedom to choose a different path.

 

[Behold]

The first time around when our heart does not condemn us, God wipes it clean as "unintentional." But 10 years later when it would be in full knowledge, God would hold us accountable .[/QUOTE]

Thats a good guess, but its not true.

I hope that one day you can understand that Jesus is THE Sin Bearer, whose "one time eternal sacrifice" has taken care of ALL sin, regarding the born again.
That means that when you have done something with full knowledge, its just as "under the blood" as anything else you do that isn't right, regarding discipleship.
The Blood of Jesus, does not pick some sins to deal with and skips others as your bizarre theology would teach..... 1stCenturyLady

Now, a heretic, who has no understanding of the blood atonement, and who is trying to "re-save" themselves, or is trying not to lose their salvation, will try to misunderstand verses in the bible so that they can play this game..

"well, Jesus only forgave my old sins, and now i have to get God to take care of my new ones'.

See that?
That is both broken faith, and total darkness, regarding understanding Christ's "one time sacrifice for all sin".

Its really very sad to see "christians" trying to "play Christ" with their self saving and their repenting and confessing to try to do what only CHRIST has ALREADY DONE for them.

 

[Behold]

Liberty is the state of a free person. Where are you getting your faulty definition from?

From Paul.

Galatians 5:13

Keep in mind He it not talking to a water baptized religious person, or an unbeliever, which is the same.

He's only talking to the born again, who have been "made righteous".
We are not to use our Sonship status position in God, known as "the righteousness of God in Christ", to enjoy known sin.
We are always to present our bodies a living sacrifice, not to be saved, but because we ARE saved.

 

[Johann]

From Paul.

Galatians 5:13

Keep in mind He it not talking to a water baptized religious person, or an unbeliever, which is the same.

He's only talking to the born again, who have been "made righteous".
We are not to use our Sonship status position in God, known as "the righteousness of God in Christ", to enjoy known sin.
We are always to present our bodies a living sacrifice, not to be saved, but because we ARE saved.

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

But here is something interesting, for those who claim they are sinless...


THE SYNONYMOUS WORDS
USED FOR
"SIN", "WICKEDNESS",
"EVIL", "UNGODLINESS",
"DISOBEDIENCE",
"TRANSGRESSION", ETC.



I. SIN i. The Verb. hamartano = to miss the mark or aim; then, to miss or wander from the right path; to go, or do, wrong. ii. The Noun.
1. hamartia = a failing to hit the mark; aberration from prescribed law (connected with and resulting from the above). In N.T. always in a moral sense = a sin, whether by omission or commission, in thought, word, or deed.

Also used in connection with the sin-offering (Heb_10:6; Heb_10:8; Heb_10:18; Heb_13:11, as in Psa_40:6, cp. Lev_5:8).

2. hamartema = the actual sin. The evil principle in action; the sinful act or deed.

3. paraptoma = a falling aside, when one should have stood upright. Hence (morally) a fall, a falling aside from truth and equity; a fault, or trespass. In Rom_5:12, No. 1 entered the world. The disobedience of Adam ( vv . 15, 17, 18) was No. 3, and the law entered that No. 3 which before was error, might become criminal in the knowledge of the sinner. After this, where No. 1 abounded, grace did much more abound.
II. WICKEDNESS 1. poneria = depravity; iniquity, the wicked acting of the evil nature. See No. III. 1 below. 2. kakia = depravity, the vicious disposition and desires, rather than the active exercise of them, which is No. 1 ( poneria ).
III. EVIL (Adj. and Noun). 1. poneros = full of labors and pains in working mischief; evil intent (Mat_12:39. Luk_11:29); grudging, in connection with the idea expressed in the "evil eye" (Mat_6:23; Mat_20:15. See the context, and cp. Luk_11:13). 2. kakos = depraved, bad in nature. Cp. No. II. 2. 3. anomos = lawless, contempt of law. 4. anomia = lawlessness. 5. athesmos = breaking through all restraints of ordinances or institutes, divine or human, to gratify one’s lusts. Occurs only in 2Pe_2:7; 2Pe_3:17.
IV. UNGODLINESS 1. asebeia = impiety, absence of "the fear of God", having no reverence for sacred things; irreligious. Sept. for pasha ’. Ap. 44. ix.
V. DISOBEDIENCE, ETC. 1. apeitheia = unwillingness to be persuaded, leading to obstinacy. 2. parakoe = unwillingness to hear, disobedient.
VI. TRANSGRESS, TRANSGRESSOR. 1. parabaino = to step on one side, overstep, go aside from, violate, transgress. 2. parerchomai = to go past, pass by, neglect. 3. parabates , one who steps aside, or oversteps.
VII. INIQUITY 1. adikia = unrighteousness, wrongdoing. 2. adikema = a wrong done. 3. paranomia = acting contrary to law or custom. Occ. only in 2Pe_2:16.
VIII. ERR, ERROR 1. planao = to cause to wander or go astray; used of doctrinal error and religious deceit. Cp. planos 1Ti_4:1, "seducing"). 2. apoplanao . No. 1 with apo = away from, prefixed (Ap. 104. iv). In Pass., to go astray from, swerve. Occ. only in Mar_13:22 and 1Ti_6:10.
3. astocheo = to deviate from. Occ. only in 1Ti_1:6; 1Ti_6:21. 2Ti_2:18. IX. FAULT 1. hettema = a diminishing of that which should have been rendered in full measure; diminution, decrease. Occ. in Rom_11:12 and 1Co_6:7.

The more I come to know Christ Jesus, the more I realize that in this life of the flesh I am falling far short.
J.

 

[Johann]

-
Reader..

Paul told us something very real.

He said...>"use not your LIBERTY, for an occasion to the Flesh" ( to lust and go do it).

See that world "liberty".....

""Use not your LIBERTY""......to go and enjoy your flesh., tho you can, as you have free will.

What is the Liberty?
The liberty is the fact of being "made righteous", and having "eternal life".

Reader, Here is something that can help you understand this idea of...>"what if i do this, am i still saved"..
Listen.
You have done things and confessed it later........how many times?
Im talking to a member here today, who is repenting all the time, for years...still trying to work his way to heaven., still trying to perform for God so that God will accept him.

Now, look closely.
When you were watching that movie with sex in it.
When you were getting drunk after you were saved.
When you fornicated after you were saved, or thought about it 1000 times, after you were saved.
When you kept smoking, and you kept cussing, and you kept on doing these fleshly things...
The QUESTION Is.....
Who was in you while you were doing them?
Who was in you, while you were doing those things that you repented of later, and confessed as sin, later. ??

Who was in you?
= God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
So, while you were doing those DEEDS that you knew were sin, while you were "using your liberty for a fleshly pleasure">. that you confessed or repented of later ... God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit were right there with you when you did them., every time, year after year.
See it?
They didnt go anywhere, reader.
They STAYED IN YOU...., and you did what you did, and they were still there., and are right now in you if you are born again.

What's that mean? It means you can't lose your Salvation.
You can't stop being born again by BEHAVIOR issues, or FAITH issues.

If you are born again, then you are and you will remain : "The Temple of the Holy Spirit".
See, there is a reason that no apostle, and Christ, and Paul, ever wrote that if Christ in is you, He will leave you if you are a born again bad little boy or a bad little girl, with no faith.
There is a reason that Paul, never said you could "lose Christ in you" or "you can stop being the Temple of the Holy Spirit".
Its because you CANT.

God saved you, when you were UNGODLY......see that?
He didnt save you when you were good.
God saves SINNERS........"Christ came into the world to SAVE SINNERS".
So obviously God keeps the born again SAVED.
If God DID ALREADY save you as a SINNER, He can surely keep you saved as a Born Again Christian.
See it?
God has a lot of power., and the Blood of Christ, is an eternal redemption, that is not based on you being good, as it saved you when you were a hell bound ungodly unbeliever.

What i just showed you, ... is so simple to understand, but the Devil will keep you from the revelation, making you believe that you have to keep yourself saved.
Thousand of pulpits are owned by the Devil. Some Bibles are created by the Devil.
He knows how to ruin your faith, or keep you from it and on your way to hell.

There are many of his deceived here, and they all want you to believe that God wont keep you saved.
See, these people have broken faith. Or they are not born again at all.
And they will break your faith if they can, as that is their main reason for being here.
They want you to lose your real faith in Christ, as they have, and they want you up on the Cross, trying to keep yourself saved.
It's where they are hanging also, and they want you up there with them.
Thats the Devil's work in the life of a Christian.

I am starting to enjoy your posts
J.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I am starting to enjoy your posts
J.

How fitting…

@Behold has been shown his error.

 

[Johann]

How fitting…

@Behold has been shown his error.

Really? How so?
J.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Really? How so?
J.

Post #3

 

[Behold]

But here is something interesting, for those who claim they are sinless...
.

Reader,

I live on both sides of the world.......tho not at the same time.
Ive taught, preached, or shared the Gospel, or prayed for the sick, in a few countries.

And i have to tell you...

Ive never met a child of God who believes, or heard it preached, that Grace is a "license to sin", and ive never met a true believer, or heard it preached that THEY as a human down here, are "sinless perfection".
I recently asked a "OSAS" ranter on this Forum ...show me the church, denomination, or teaching video, or preacher...who teaches "cheap grace" or "license to sin".
They became as quiet as a barn full of crickets, when the barn is under the Snow.
= No reply at all.

Now, this "sinlessness" thing, regarding a born again believer, is only a misunderstanding that gets turned into.."so, you are saying you never sin"...

Its just a misunderstanding or, actually a lack of good Pauline Theology being taught..

Its like this....

The "body is dead because of sin".. And that is because that is the OLD MAN "the flesh"......and it has has been "Crucified with Christ".
Paul says we are to "reckon it dead", because it is...
You can tell when a person has no idea about this revelation, as they are always feeling compelled to talk about sin, sinning, and confessing and repenting.

Part 2 of this, is the fact that the mind is not born again, and it has to be tamed by being renewed ..... or it will continue to try to replace Grace and Truth with self and more self as the "carnal mind".

So, when i teach a class about "sinlessness" of the Son's of God, i help them to understand that being born again, is your : SPIRIT.
And your SPIRIT, that is born again is "IN CHRIST"......and "ONE WITH GOD"....>"Seated in heavenly places, in Christ". = RIGHT NOW.
And this same spirit that is in eternal union, spiritually, with God and Christ is the same that GETS the new body, after you die.
What does this mean?
It means that your body that is dying and will be replaced, and your mind that is not born again,= is NOT the real you. Is not the SON OF GOD.
The real you, is your born again Spirit, that exists like this.. currently, if you are breathing.

= "As JESUS IS....so are the born again, in this World"..... having become bone of Jesus's bone and flesh of Jesus's Flesh.

See that SPIRITUAL intimacy, ????? that is to be ONE with Christ, and "One with God".
That is the SINLESS part of you, that has been redeemed as "born again".

Ephesians 5:30 is explaining the "sinlessness" of a Born again Spirit, that is "One with God".

 

[Johann]

Really? How so?
J.

You are the only one to seem to think you know the whole bible right?
There are many here who are sincere but have been led astray by false doctrines, doesn't mean they are lost.
Now, show me where the brother's doctrines are way off the target. yeah?
It would or should be interesting.
J.

 

[Johann]

Reader,

I live on both sides of the world.......tho not at the same time.
Ive taught, preached, or shared the Gospel, or prayed for the sick, in a few countries.

And i have to tell you...

Ive never met a child of God who believes, or heard it preached, that Grace is a "license to sin", and ive never met a true believer, or heard it preached that THEY as a human down here, are "sinless perfection".
I recently asked a "OSAS" ranter on this Forum ...show me the church, denomination, or teaching video, or preacher...who teaches "cheap grace" or "license to sin".
They became as quiet as a barn full of crickets, when the barn is under the Snow.
= No reply at all.

Now, this "sinlessness" thing, regarding a born again believer, is only a misunderstanding that gets turned into.."so, you are saying you never sin"...

Its just a misunderstanding or, actually a lack of good Pauline Theology being taught..

Its like this....

The "body is dead because of sin".. And that is because that is the OLD MAN "the flesh"......and it has has been "Crucified with Christ".
Paul says we are to "reckon it dead", because it is...
You can tell when a person has no idea about this revelation, as they are always feeling compelled to talk about sin, sinning, and confessing and repenting.

Part 2 of this, is the fact that the mind is not born again, and it has to be tamed by being renewed ..... or it will continue to try to replace Grace and Truth with self and more self as the "carnal mind".

So, when i teach a class about "sinlessness" of the Son's of God, i help them to understand that being born again, is your : SPIRIT.
And your SPIRIT, that is born again is "IN CHRIST"......and "ONE WITH GOD"....>"Seated in heavenly places, in Christ". = RIGHT NOW.
And this same spirit that is in eternal union, spiritually, with God and Christ is the same that GETS the new body, after you die.
What does this mean?
It means that your body that is dying and will be replaced, and your mind that is not born again,= is NOT the real you. Is not the SON OF GOD.
The real you, is your born again Spirit, that exists like this.. currently, if you are breathing.

= "As JESUS IS....so are the born again, in this World"..... having become bone of Jesus's bone and flesh of Jesus's Flesh.

See that SPIRITUAL intimacy, ????? that is to be ONE with Christ, and "One with God".
That is the SINLESS part of you, that has been redeemed as "born again".

Ephesians 5:30 is explaining the "sinlessness" of a Born again Spirit, that is "One with God".

Have to concur


Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.


Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.


Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Rom 12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Rom 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;


1Co 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.


Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

A direct question to you, just to see if we are on the same page.
Can a Christian sin?
J.

 

[Behold]

I am starting to enjoy your posts
J.

Just keeping it real, Brother.

-blessings

 

[Johann]

Just keeping it real, Brother.

-blessings

Yet there are some here that say you are in error.
J.

 

[Johann]

See that SPIRITUAL intimacy, ????? that is to be ONE with Christ, and "One with God".
That is the SINLESS part of you, that has been redeemed as "born again".

The sarx/flesh is not born again, right?

 

[Johann]

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Reader..

Paul told us something very real.

He said...>"use not your LIBERTY, for an occasion to the Flesh" ( to lust and go do it).

See that world "liberty".....

""Use not your LIBERTY""......to go and enjoy your flesh., tho you can, as you have free will.

What is the Liberty?
The liberty is the fact of being "made righteous", and having "eternal life".

Reader, Here is something that can help you understand this idea of...>"what if i do this, am i still saved"..
Listen.
You have done things and confessed it later........how many times?
Im talking to a member here today, who is repenting all the time, for years...still trying to work his way to heaven., still trying to perform for God so that God will accept him.

Now, look closely.
When you were watching that movie with sex in it.
When you were getting drunk after you were saved.
When you fornicated after you were saved, or thought about it 1000 times, after you were saved.
When you kept smoking, and you kept cussing, and you kept on doing these fleshly things...
The QUESTION Is.....
Who was in you while you were doing them?
Who was in you, while you were doing those things that you repented of later, and confessed as sin, later. ??

Who was in you?
= God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
So, while you were doing those DEEDS that you knew were sin, while you were "using your liberty for a fleshly pleasure">. that you confessed or repented of later ... God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit were right there with you when you did them., every time, year after year.
See it?
They didnt go anywhere, reader.
They STAYED IN YOU...., and you did what you did, and they were still there., and are right now in you if you are born again.

What's that mean? It means you can't lose your Salvation.
You can't stop being born again by BEHAVIOR issues, or FAITH issues.

If you are born again, then you are and you will remain : "The Temple of the Holy Spirit".
See, there is a reason that no apostle, and Christ, and Paul, ever wrote that if Christ in is you, He will leave you if you are a born again bad little boy or a bad little girl, with no faith.
There is a reason that Paul, never said you could "lose Christ in you" or "you can stop being the Temple of the Holy Spirit".
Its because you CANT.

God saved you, when you were UNGODLY......see that?
He didnt save you when you were good.
God saves SINNERS........"Christ came into the world to SAVE SINNERS".
So obviously God keeps the born again SAVED.
If God DID ALREADY save you as a SINNER, He can surely keep you saved as a Born Again Christian.
See it?
God has a lot of power., and the Blood of Christ, is an eternal redemption, that is not based on you being good, as it saved you when you were a hell bound ungodly unbeliever.

What i just showed you, ... is so simple to understand, but the Devil will keep you from the revelation, making you believe that you have to keep yourself saved.
Thousand of pulpits are owned by the Devil. Some Bibles are created by the Devil.
He knows how to ruin your faith, or keep you from it and on your way to hell.

There are many of his deceived here, and they all want you to believe that God wont keep you saved.
See, these people have broken faith. Or they are not born again at all.
And they will break your faith if they can, as that is their main reason for being here.
They want you to lose your real faith in Christ, as they have, and they want you up on the Cross, trying to keep yourself saved.
It's where they are hanging also, and they want you up there with them.
Thats the Devil's work in the life of a Christian.

A excellent post
J.

 

[Behold]

Yet there are some here that say you are in error.
J.

They are suppose to say that.. as if they agreed with the Gospel of the Grace of God, they would agree with me.

Also They hung Christ on the Cross for telling them the Truth., and if you tell it here, they will find you and talk about your "error".
What else can they do?
Its their ministry on this Forum.
See, when you are in the world, and you tell the truth, you will find some that hate you for it.
And they should, as the haters of truth, Christ said, are "of your father the devil", and so, if they loved hearing that God's Salvation is not under their control, then they would not be in agreement with the Father that has told them otherwise.
See, the devil is really good at this theological concept..= "hath God said"?
So, He always has his people under the influence of their opinion that is their "god".

 

[Johann]

What is the Liberty?
The liberty is the fact of being "made righteous", and having "eternal life".

1Co_8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

liberty=exousia


THE SYNONYMOUS WORDS
FOR
"POWER", ETC.


1. dunamis = inherent power; the power of reproducing itself : from which we have Eng. dynamics, dynamo, &c. See Act_1:8.
2. kratos = strength (as exerted); power put forth with effect and in government : from which we have the Eng. theocracy, government by God; aristocracy, government by the best; democracy, government by the people. The Greek enkrateia = mastery over one’s self = self control, or having one’s self reined in (from krateia , a rein). This (i.e. enkrateia ) is the only word rendered "temperance", and occurs only in Act_24:25. Gal_5:23. 2Pe_1:6.
3. ischus = strength (as an endowment), physical strength possessed. See, e.g. Mar_12:30.
4. energeia = energy; strength (No. 3 above) put forth from within in effectual operations. See, e.g. 2Th_2:9.
5. exousia = authority. or, delegated power; the liberty and right to put forth power. See, e.g. Joh_1:12.
6. arche = beginning; then, the chief rule or ruler. See Luk_12:11 (magistrates).


1Co_8:10, 1Co_10:24, 1Co_10:29; Mat_18:6-7, Mat_18:10; Luk_17:1-2; Rom_14:20-21; Gal_5:13; 1Pe_2:16; 2Pe_2:19
liberty: or, power


With freedom (tēi eleutheriāi). Rather dative case instead of instrumental, “for freedom,” “for the (article) freedom that belongs to us children of the freewoman” (Gal_4:31).
Did Christ set us free (hēmas Christos ēleutherōsen). Effective aorist active indicative of eleutheroō (from erchomai, to go, go free).
Stand fast therefore (stēkete oun). See Mar_3:31; 1Co_16:13 for this late word from perfect stem of histēmi, “keep on standing therefore,” “stay free since Christ set you free.”
Be not entangled again (mē palin enechesthe). “Stop being held in by a yoke of bondage.” Common word for ensnare by trap. The Judaizers were trying to lasso the Galatians for the old yoke of Judaism.
Robertson

I don't see the connection between born from above, God's act, and our liberty in Christ...care to elaborate?
J.