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Unforgivable sin(s)

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Airaux, Sep 24, 2019.

  1. Airaux

    Airaux New Member

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    Throughout the decades, I have (intermittently) read the Bible and "auxiliary" material, encountering many and varied conflicting views on a wide range of theological subjects. One disturbing issue is that of committing a sin so awful that one cannot be saved from it.
    I know the passage with Jesus and the Pharisees and the calling Jesus an operator of Beelzebeb.
    Does anyone have any opinions as to what constitutes an unforgivable sin? Eg - what about - as dreadful as it is - swearing at and/ or calling God obscene things? - either as a heartfelt expression, or in the heat of the moment - or, for that matter, because one is so afraid of doing it, the words come into one's mind. A bit like someone saying to you - "Whatever you do, don't think of a giraffe!" You may have not thought of a giraffe for years, but as you realise you must not think of one, you automatically focus on one.
    I'd being interested to hear what others think of the issue of unforgivable sin(s).
     
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    quietthinker Well-Known Member

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    Hello Airaux....the unforgivable sin is rejecting the voice of conviction....it is pushing away God's Spirit. When that is rejected there is no other avenue for God to speak to the heart. Stonewalling that pleading voice ensures no access to God any longer.
     
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    Airaux New Member

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    Thanks for responding.
     
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    lforrest Well-Known Member Staff Member Admin

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    As for swearing at and/ or calling God obscene things, it is addressed in the same scripture that these are not the same as blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and can be forgiven.

    Matthew 12:31-32
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    HI Airaux,

    If we let Scripture define this for us, this is what we have:

    Mark 3
    28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
    29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
    30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

    The wrong they had committed was to say that Jesus had an unclean spirit. Jesus' charge against them was to warn them them that this accusation, that the Holy Spirit was unclean, puts them in danger of eternal comdemnation.

    They saw the works performed through Jesus, the works which Jesus pointed to, challenging them to believe. The acknowledge a greater power working through Jesus, but in their insistence to not believe in Him, they painted that power as from an evil source.

    They denied the Godly works that Jesus did by saying that God working in Jesus - the Holy Spirit - was evil.

    Blasphemy is to insult or vilify. And that's what they did. They vilified the Holy Spirit so they could continue to deny Jesus.

    They question is, can someone do that today? Perhaps, but not in the same way they did then.

    I hope this helps!

    Much love!
     
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    Airaux New Member

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    Thanks, 'though I must admit, I don't understand why blasphemy against the Holy Spirit would be deemed worse that blaspheming God.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    The Holy Spirit was given without limitation to Jesus during His earthly ministry, and by the power of the Holy Spirit Jesus did His works, the signs and wonders given so that the Jews would believe.

    Jesus frequently pointed to His works to show the truth of His claims. In essence, the Holy Spirit is given as the power by which we believe and our saved. Or more to the point, that they would believe, those seeing these works. That they would believe and be saved, but instead they call the Holy Spirit unclean.

    You've said, deemed worse than blaspheming God. I don't know that it is worse, but in this case, simply no remedy. Unforgivable. Maybe simply because the Spirit they call unclean is the Spirit that would save them.

    These are my thoughts, but at the end of the day, I don't really know how to answer that.

    Much love!
     
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    Thanks.
     
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    Here's what I think. Some of those people once had the Holy Spirit themselves. When they became jealous of Jesus, they lied and said he had an unclean spirit. They knew better. They resisted the guidance of the Holy Spirit and grieved it.

    We can be forgiven for blasphemy when we don't know what we're blaspheming; but if someone has the Holy Spirit, he knows. The Spirit can leave people when they grieve it too much. Compare to:

    Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
    27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
     
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    u said n ur post u think it might b "swearing at or calling God obscene things". its not Unforgivable to call God the Father anything n everything
    n the book. its about the Holy Spirit. stop being ignorant. the Bible says do not swear at the "Holy Spirit", not God. I have done it many times.
    the 1st time I did it b/c I was being "heavily" tempted; I wont tell u n wat manner n "way" I was being tempted. is it too shameful 4 me to discuss here. trust me, it was really bad. after that, I did it many times b/c it was just n my spirit to instead of saying GD or JC, I said "Blank"
    u know Who (the 3rd Person of God). I have gotten much better at it somewat recently. I swear like everybody else now. think about it; have u ever heard some1 swear against the Holy Spirit. I haven't- it doesn't come natural.. even to unbelievers n wicked people. u have "to make some
    outside effort" to swear against the HS. wat do u think?
     
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    make sure u don't do wat I did. "Never ever" to that..Fear God. believe wat the Bible says (eventhough I believe the Bible contradicts itself n 100s
    of ways). that was my error when I actually committed that grave sin.. I didn't believe the Bible. I thought to myself, would God really condemn
    a Spirit-filled born-again believer ( a son) to Eternal Punishment 4 saying a few words. that takes very little effort n anybody could do it. u could
    write a cursing on a piece of paper, hand it to a 5 year old, n tell him to read it out loud. would that 5 year old to condemned 4 Eternity 4 saying
    those few words. according to the Bible every person throughout history has their own book where everything they ever said was recorded n their book. so.. is that small child going to Hell? I honestly think I am going to Hell when I die (4 a # of reasons but I will not get into it-it would take too long). I 100% believe the "Spirit" was taken from me some years back b/c of something I did- I did curse the HS that same night also. the Bible teaches both.. Eternal Security n Lose of Salvation..thats y I say the Bible contradicts itself. I think God did that so He could say both n still
    He would not b lying. the "Final" word is God's. I have seen testimonies on YouTube where people have Near Death Experiences n God "saves"
    them even though they were Agnostic or an Atheist. God can break His Own rules if He wants. n these matters a person dies n their sins yet
    even after their death, God is merciful. but this doesn't happen a lot- is God showing Favoritism?-maybe, who am I judge who God chooses
    to save n doesn't. its Scary- we serve a very Scary God. did u know, according to the Bible, God made a lot, I mean "a lot" (maybe half or maybe "most" of mankind to b Eternally Condemned). He "predestined" the wicked to burn n Hell 4 Eternity. I guess He just wanted to display
    His Wrath to all people. that's Scary I know- look it up. was I "predestined" to make that bad choice I made (to swear against the HS), eventhough I did it n ignorance- I did not really know wat I was doing? maybe.. I have loved God n Jesus my whole life n I put my trust n Him
    (Them). I don't think God helped me n my time of need. He let me do something bad n ignorance. but.. I know 4 a fact God took His Spirit from me- He showed me-I know! im not God's enemy- I would never want to b- b/c I love Him b/c He is the only 1 n this messed up universe
    who is "Good". I want to b Good-I know evil n I hate everything about it. it makes me sad 4 the soul reason that it even exists. I hate it so much b/c I know wat "Temptation" or "the power of sin" can do. it can get inside u if u r tempted n u let it. it can get into ur heart n make u a completely different person-a person u hate (a monster). do everything possible to "resist" Temptation when it is upon u. Jesus said "above all else, guard ur heart." sin can get into ur heart if u r tempted, even by ur own heart (ur own heart can deceive u). this is all from personal
    experience.. there is darkness inside of me I wish God would take out of me-He's the only 1 Who can.. but I don't think He is willing.
    I messed up big time n im paying 4 it. I think about going to Hell when I wake up each morning n when I go to sleep at night. I am punished
    by fear! pray 4 me if u want- plz..i need it n I want u to. the more Righteous u r.. the more Effective the prayer. Thanks all. I am alive.. n where
    there is life, there is always hope. God can break His Own rules n give me a second chance. that is the only hope I hold on to each day. also,
    my Righteous, good, God-fearing parents..n my relatives n Heaven. I think they r praying (or actually talking to Jesus..literally) on my behalf
    in Heaven. there is always hope I think. i hope God has not made me His enemy-that would b the most horrible thing i could imagine. I hope this helps. God bless. Fear God. God bless.
     
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    wat if i Said out loud "Blank" the Holy Spirit"! wat would u call that? it most have a name. its not just nothing. it seems like it would b a big deal.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    I'd call it angry rebellion. But it doesn't matter what I call something. Did you have a different idea from the passage?

    Much love!
     
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    ure not God. u don't make the rules, bud.
     
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    I need the "Spirit" back if that's possible. if He is willing. prob not tho. that would b an insult.
     
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    That can't/won't happen on the internet.

    Check out one of these churches near you (in person),
     
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