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Regardless of how Christ is interpreted; one thing is for sure: unless people
somehow eat his flesh and drink his blood, they have no life in them; viz:
they are quite dead on the hoof.

John 6:53 . . Jesus said: "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the
flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you."

The kind of life about which he spoke is not organic life; rather, it's a
supernatural kind of life.

John 6:54 . . .Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life,

According to John 10:28, eternal life is an imperishable kind of life. In other
words; people have to obtain it only once, and they never have to obtain it
again because eternal life cannot die, nor does it spoil or decay. Were that
not true, then God would've died of old age long ago.
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John 6:52 . .The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this
man give us his flesh to eat?”

His opponents weren't alone in their struggle to understand Jesus; his
followers were baffled too.

John 6:60 . .Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This
saying is hard; who can accept it?”
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The passage below is deliberately misquoted. Watch for it.

John 6:63 . . The words I have spoken to you are spiritual

I checked with the ASV, the KJV, the NKJV, the NIV, the RSV, the ESV, the
NAS, the NASB, the NLT, the official Catholic version, and even the
Jehovah's Witness version and none of them say "spiritual", they all say
spirit

Well; I can understand some Spanish, but spirit is totally out of my depth. I
can read the spirit words that Jesus spoke because they're translated into
English, which is a language I understand. But though I easily understand
the English version of Jesus' spirit words, I don't know what they're saying
because they're coded in spirit.

This problem is very similar to computer code. I can easily read computer
code when it's written with English numbers, letters, and symbols; but I
haven't the foggiest notion what that code is saying though it's written with
numbers, letters, and symbols very familiar to me.

The passage below is misquoted too.

John 6:63 . . The words that I have spoken unto you are living.

No, it doesn't say "living" it says the words are life.
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not true, then God would've died of old age long ago._
and just like that, "Eternal" is falsely conflated with "Immortal," and the Scriptures that would clarify this will not be considered. Ok, have it your way. For now. but don't pretend you can back this up ok
 
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John 6:66 . . From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked
no more with him.

Well; I can easily sympathize with their decision to go away; I mean after
all, the man was not only talking about cannibalism; but it is a breech of the
Jews' covenant with God to eat blood.

Lev 7:27 . . If anyone eats blood, that person must be cut off from his
people.

Lev 17:10 . . Any Israelite, or any alien living among them, who eats any
blood-- I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him
off from his people.

Lev 17:14 . . The life of every creature is its blood. That is why I have said
to the Israelites: You must not eat the blood of any creature, because the
life of every creature is its blood; anyone who eats it must be cut off.

It could be argued that those passages forbid eating the blood of birds
and beasts, but don't specifically outlaw eating human blood. Personally I
don't see how the latter would be any less disgusting than the former, but
I'm willing to leave the human blood question to each man's own conscience
because, to my knowledge, the Bible doesn't address vampirism.
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John 6:66 . . From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked
no more with him.

Well; I can easily sympathize with their decision to go away; I mean after
all, the man was not only talking about cannibalism; but it is a breech of the
Jews' covenant with God to eat blood.

But that is not the reason they went away from following him. The reason is concisely given as to why in John 6:65.
 
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FAQ: What is the correct way to eat Jesus' flesh and drink his blood?

A: I wish I had a pat answer for that question but thus far, it has eluded me.

However I think it's pretty safe to rule out the Roman Catholic method
because the kind of life obtained by eating Jesus' flesh and drinking his
blood is eternal life. (John 6:54)

Well; eternal life is an imperishable kind of life that can neither die, spoil,
decay, or wax old. So if Catholics were getting eternal life from Rome's
communion service, they would have to partake of the elements just one
time only seeing as how eternal life is impervious to death; viz: it can't be
used up, nor does it wear off or wear out-- eternal life is perpetual; and if
not, then why call it eternal?

Moses' people had to eat manna every day because one meal of it was not
enough to sustain their bodies forever. But the bread that comes down from
heaven need be eaten only once, and never again.

John 6:50-51 . . This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a
man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down
from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever:


POP QUIZ: The "bread" that Jesus spoke of in that verse is his body, i.e. his
flesh and blood (1Cor 10:17). But which version of his body was he talking
about? His crucified body, or his glorified body?
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FAQ: What is the correct way to eat Jesus' flesh and drink his blood?
A: I wish I had a pat answer for that question but thus far, it has eluded me.
However I think it's pretty safe to rule out the Roman Catholic method because the kind of life obtained by eating Jesus' flesh and drinking his blood is eternal life. (John 6:54)

Well; eternal life is an imperishable kind of life that can neither die, spoil,
decay, or wax old.
So if Catholics were getting eternal life from Rome's
communion service, they would have to partake of the elements just one
time only seeing as how eternal life is impervious to death; viz: it can't be
used up, nor does it wear off or wear out-- eternal life is perpetual; and if
not, then why call it eternal?

Moses' people had to eat manna every day because one meal of it was not
enough to sustain their bodies forever. But the bread that comes down from
heaven need be eaten only once, and never again.

John 6:50-51 . . This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a
man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down
from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever:


POP QUIZ: The "bread" that Jesus spoke of in that verse is his body, i.e. his
flesh and blood (1Cor 10:17). But which version of his body was he talking
about? His crucified body, or his glorified body?_
You missed the point.
Remember what Paul said:

1 Cor. 1:22-24
For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, BUT WE PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

1 Cor. 11:26
For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

EVERY time we receive the Lord's Body and blood, we proclaim His sacrifice. At EVERY Mass, we say:
“We proclaim your Death, O Lord, and profess your Resurrection until you come again.”
Paul said that this is a stumbling block to Jews and a folly to Gentiles

Which group are YOU a member of?
 

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FAQ: The bread that Jesus spoke of in John 6:50-51 is his body, i.e. his flesh and
blood (1Cor 10:17). But Jesus has been in possession of two versions of his
body: a natural version and a glorious version; i.e. a mortal and an
immortal. Which version pertains to the flesh and blood he spoke of in John
6:53-54?


A: The natural version.

John 6:51 . . I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever
eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for
the life of the world.


FAQ: The flesh of the natural version of his body no longer exists. How then
is anybody supposed to eat it?


A: I wish I had a pat answer for that question but thus far, one has eluded
me.


FAQ: Why is this so difficult to figure out that even the best and brightest
theologians cannot agree on it?


A: Because Jesus' words were spirit. (John 6:63)

I can understand some Spanish, but spirit is totally out of my depth. I can
read the spirit words that Jesus spoke because they're translated into
English, which is a language I understand. But though I easily understand
the English version of Jesus' spirit words, I don't really know what they're
saying because they're coded in spirit.

This problem is very similar to computer code. I can easily read computer
code when it's written with English numbers, letters, and symbols; but I
haven't the foggiest notion what that code is saying though it's written with
numbers, letters, and symbols very familiar to me.

Trying to understand Jesus in that section of the 6th chapter of John without
a spirit language translator is like blind men in a dark room looking for a
black cat that isn't there.
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FAQ: Jesus Christ has been in possession of two versions of his body: a
natural version and a glorified version; i.e. a mortal and an immortal. Which
version pertains to the flesh and blood he spoke of in John 6:53-54?


A: The natural version.

John 6:51 . . I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever
eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for
the life of the world.

FAQ: The flesh of the natural version of his body no longer exists. How then
is anybody supposed to eat it?
A: I wish I had a pat answer for that question but thus far, one has eluded
me.

FAQ: Why is this so difficult to figure out that even the best and brightest
theologians cannot agree on it?


A: Because Jesus' words were spirit. (John 6:63)

I can understand some Spanish, but spirit is totally out of my depth. I can
read the spirit words that Jesus spoke because they're translated into
English, which is a language I understand. But though I easily understand
the English version of Jesus' spirit words, I don't really know what they're
saying because they're coded in spirit.

This problem is very similar to computer code. I can easily read computer
code when it's written with English numbers, letters, and symbols; but I
haven't the foggiest notion what that code is saying though it's written with
numbers, letters, and symbols very familiar to me.

Trying to understand Jesus in that section of the 6th chapter of John without
a spirit language translator is like blind men in a dark room looking for a
black cat that isn't there.
You missed the point yet again . . .

When Jesus said that His word were Spirit and life - he was talking about the fact that the people who were grumbling about what He was saying DIDN'T understand because it had NOT been revealed to them by the Father. Read the WHOLE thing in CONTEXT:
John 6:63-65

It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him. And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”

We read in the very next verse (6:66):
From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

When He said, “The flesh profits nothing” – He was talking about their fleshly THINKING – their mindset – not HIS flesh. HIS flesh profits us EVERYTHING because it was the PERFECT Sacrifice for the expiation of our sins.

When we consume the Eucharist - we are consuming the glorified Body and Blood of Christ.
 

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we are consuming the glorified Body and Blood of Christ.

Jesus' glorified body is immortal; it cannot be broken. The body that Jesus
shared with his men at the last supper is the one that died on the cross.

Luke 22:19 . . And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to
them, saying: This is my body given for you

1Cor 11:23-24 . .The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took
bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said: This is my
body, which is for you

In addition, the blood that Jesus shared with his men at the last supper
wasn't his glorified blood, it was his crucified blood.

Matt 26:27-29 . .Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to
them, saying: Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant,
which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. (See also Mark
14:23-24, Luke 22:20)

The Eucharist (a.k.a. the Lord's Supper, a.k.a. Communion) was established
to speak of Christ's death rather than his glorification.

1Cor 11:26 . . For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you
proclaim the Lord's death.

Therefore, when Jesus spoke of living bread in John 6:50-51, he was
speaking of his crucified body rather than his glorified body. In other words:
up to this point, the only thing you've consumed in the Eucharist is a snack.
You'd be as well off with Cheez-its and Gator Aid.
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.Jesus' glorified body is immortal; it cannot be broken. The body that Jesus shared with his men at the last supper is the one that died on the cross.
Luke 22:19 . . And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying: This is my body given for you
1Cor 11:23-24 . .The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said: This is my body, which is for you In addition, the blood that Jesus shared with his men at the last supper wasn't his glorified blood, it was his crucified blood.
Matt 26:27-29 . .Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying: Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. (See also Mark 14:23-24, Luke 22:20)
The Eucharist (a.k.a. the Lord's Supper, a.k.a. Communion) was established to speak of Christ's death rather than his glorification.
1Cor 11:26 . . For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death.
Therefore, when Jesus spoke of living bread in John 6:50-51, he was speaking of his crucified body rather than his glorified body. In other words:
up to this point, the only thing you've consumed in the Eucharist is a snack.
You'd be as well off with Cheez-its and Gator Aid.
And unfortunately for YOU - the words Jesus spoke were SPIRIT and Life. YOU are still thinking in the FLESH like those who walked away from Him in John 6:66 ans returned to their former way of life.

As the Early Church from the very beginning believed that we parttake in the RISEN Lord - so the Catechism echoes this belief . . .

Ignatius of Antioch
Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 107]).

Catechism of the Catholic Church
1367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." "And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner. . . this sacrifice is truly propitiatory."190

1392 What material food produces in our bodily life, Holy Communion wonderfully achieves in our spiritual life. Communion with the flesh of the risen Christ, a flesh "given life and giving life through the Holy Spirit,"229 preserves, increases, and renews the life of grace received at Baptism. This growth in Christian life needs the nourishment of Eucharistic Communion, the bread for our pilgrimage until the moment of death, when it will be given to us as viaticum.


Jesus was crucified, died and was buried - and ROSE from the dead.
His RISEN, glorified Body still bore the marks of his suffering (John 20:20, 27) and THIS is the SAME Body that we consume in the Eucharist.

The Letter of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans above is speaking about the lack of faith of HETERODOX people like YOU . . .
 
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And unfortunately for YOU - the words Jesus spoke were SPIRIT and Life. YOU are still thinking in the FLESH like those who walked away from Him in John 6:66 ans returned to their former way of life.

As the Early Church from the very beginning believed that we parttake in the RISEN Lord - so the Catechism echoes this belief . . .

Ignatius of Antioch
Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 107]).

Catechism of the Catholic Church
1367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." "And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner. . . this sacrifice is truly propitiatory."190

1392 What material food produces in our bodily life, Holy Communion wonderfully achieves in our spiritual life. Communion with the flesh of the risen Christ, a flesh "given life and giving life through the Holy Spirit,"229 preserves, increases, and renews the life of grace received at Baptism. This growth in Christian life needs the nourishment of Eucharistic Communion, the bread for our pilgrimage until the moment of death, when it will be given to us as viaticum.


Jesus was crucified, died and was buried - and ROSE from the dead.
His RISEN, glorified Body still bore the marks of his suffering (John 20:20, 27) and THIS is the SAME Body that we consume in the Eucharist.

The Letter of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans above is speaking about the lack of faith of HETERODOX people like YOU . . .


And of course all of your so-called are from Catholics.
 

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And of course all of your so-called are from Catholics.
All of my so-called WHAT, exactly??
WHAT are you talking about??

I referenced Scripture, a 1st century Early Church Father and the Catechism.
If you want to say that these are all "Catholic" sources - I would agree with you 100%.
 

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FAQ: If it's true that Roman Catholics are supposed to be eating Jesus'
natural flesh, and drinking his natural blood in their communion elements
(a.k.a. species) then from whence are they getting Jesus' natural flesh and
blood when his natural body no longer exists?


A: That's a very good question seeing as how 1Cor 15:50 implies that
natural bodies are barred access to the kingdom of God.
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FAQ: If it's true that Roman Catholics are supposed to be eating Jesus' natural flesh, and drinking his natural blood in their communion elements (a.k.a. species) then from whence are they getting Jesus' natural flesh and blood when his natural body no longer exists?

A: That's a very good question seeing as how 1Cor 15:50 implies that natural bodies are barred access to the kingdom of God.
Apparently, it never occurred to you that Jesus is GOD and can do whatever He wants.
Also - - His glorified Body is NOT a corruptible body.

Your lack of faith is appalling . . .