vaccine verse mark of beast??

[Dave M]

Ok from what I have herd preachers say, that by taking mark we will also have to swear and worship the beast, so it will not be any way of mistakenly taking the mark,, we will we know .. but I say the devil will try to trick believers that is what he does, so what does the bibles say???? does it give any indication ??

Revelation 13:16-18
Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

please post up any other scripture talking about the mark, thats all I could find,,,,,,,,


so if they tell us we can not buy or sell with out the vaccine, and they have way to detect it, can we conclude that is the mark of the Besast???

 

[Jay Ross]

We either have the mark of Satan or God on our forehead.

At the beginning of the Millennium Age we have this to consider: -

Rev 20:4-6 The Saints Reign with Christ 1000 Years

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.​

We also have this event where God's Angel will go out to the whole world to put God's seal on the forehead of all of the Saints, probably at the end of the 1,000 years before the Bottomless pit is opened to release Satan, the beasts and the kings and their armies to do their evil upon the earth for a little while: -

Rev 7:1-3 The Seal of Israel

7:1 After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 1 saying, "Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads."​

The Greek Root G:4972 is found 15 times in the New Testament at the following references: -



The references to the Mark of Satan is associated with the Greek Root G:5480: -



I seems to me that the vaccine is not the mark referenced in the following chapters Rev 13, 14, 16, 19 and 20 as the release of the Beast(s) from the Bottomless pit does not happen until the Bottomless pit is unlocked over 1,000 years from now.

Shalom

 

[Ziggy]

Ok from what I have herd preachers say, that by taking mark we will also have to swear and worship the beast, so it will not be any way of mistakenly taking the mark,, we will we know .. but I say the devil will try to trick believers that is what he does, so what does the bibles say???? does it give any indication ??

Revelation 13:16-18
Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

please post up any other scripture talking about the mark, thats all I could find,,,,,,,,


so if they tell us we can not buy or sell with out the vaccine, and they have way to detect it, can we conclude that is the mark of the Besast???

I believe Revelation was written for the time period Jesus was in and also a future prophecy.

When you look at the days and the climate when Jesus walked on earth in Jerusalem over 2000 years ago.
There was a division among the Jews and the Christians. The Christians were a combination of converted Jews who came to Christ and also Gentile nations.
During this time.. I would have to reckon that those who were not abiding by the Mosaic Law concerning wearing the commandments literally between their eyes and on their hands, would not be able to buy at the market that Jesus in His zeal for the Temple, went about like a wild man, knocking over tables and throwing out the money changers etc..
No doubt after his death, things returned to "normal" until it was destroyed in 70AD.

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Isa 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.

I appreciate this topic.. I just learned another new thing.. so cool..thank you

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Deu 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
Deu 6:9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

Another proof of promise.. I love it!
Their hearts was the seed that fell on the stoney ground and they couldn't hear it. So God made them write it in their face and on their hands lest they forget... but then it became a tradition and a piece of old cloth, and they did it because thats what the law said and not what it meant.

So we got this beast.. saying if you don't do what we say according to our law.. (not God's law) , then your not going to partake in anything that belongs to us.
That is.. the world..
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.

I don't know what 666 is other than it has to do with man's way and not God's way.

Thank You
Hugs

 

[ReChoired]

Ok from what I have herd preachers say, that by taking mark we will also have to swear and worship the beast, so it will not be any way of mistakenly taking the mark,, we will we know .. but I say the devil will try to trick believers that is what he does, so what does the bibles say???? does it give any indication ??

Revelation 13:16-18
Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

please post up any other scripture talking about the mark, thats all I could find,,,,,,,,

so if they tell us we can not buy or sell with out the vaccine, and they have way to detect it, can we conclude that is the mark of the Besast???

Ok a few things, since you asked:

Your translation (English) of Revelation 13:16-18 is in error, as it causes "the mark" to not be separate from "the name of the beast" or "the number of his name". What your English translation implies by it's wording, is that "the mark" is (by saying, "that is") "the name of the beast or the number of its name". This is incorrect. The "mark", "name" and "number" are three things, not the same thing.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Rev 13:16 AndG2532 he causethG4160 all,G3956 both smallG3398 andG2532 great,G3173 (G2532) richG4145 andG2532 poor,G4434 (G2532) freeG1658 andG2532 bond,G1401 toG2443 receiveG1325 G846 a markG5480 inG1909 theirG848 rightG1188 hand,G5495 orG2228 inG1909 theirG848 foreheads:G3359

Rev 13:17 AndG2532 thatG2443 noG3361 manG5100 mightG1410 buyG59 orG2228 sell,G4453 saveG1508 he that hadG2192 theG3588 mark,G5480 orG2228 theG3588 nameG3686 of theG3588 beast,G2342 orG2228 theG3588 numberG706 of hisG848 name.G3686

Rev 13:18 HereG5602 isG2076 wisdom.G4678 Let him that hathG2192 understandingG3563 countG5585 theG3588 numberG706 of theG3588 beast:G2342 forG1063 it isG2076 the numberG706 of a man;G444 andG2532 hisG848 numberG706 is Six hundred threescore and six.G5516​

Rev 13:16 και ποιει παντας τους μικρους και τους μεγαλους και τους πλουσιους και τους πτωχους και τους ελευθερους και τους δουλους ινα δωση αυτοις χαραγμα επι της χειρος αυτων της δεξιας η επι των μετωπων αυτων

Rev 13:17 και ινα μη τις δυνηται αγορασαι η πωλησαι ει μη ο εχων το χαραγμα η το ονομα του θηριου η τον αριθμον του ονοματος αυτου

Rev 13:18 ωδε η σοφια εστιν ο εχων τον νουν ψηφισατω τον αριθμον του θηριου αριθμος γαρ ανθρωπου εστιν και ο αριθμος αυτου χξς​

Rev 13:16 καιG2532 CONJ ποιειG4160 V-PAI-3S πανταςG3956 A-APM τουςG3588 T-APM μικρουςG3398 A-APM καιG2532 CONJ τουςG3588 T-APM μεγαλουςG3173 A-APM καιG2532 CONJ τουςG3588 T-APM πλουσιουςG4145 A-APM καιG2532 CONJ τουςG3588 T-APM πτωχουςG4434 A-APM καιG2532 CONJ τουςG3588 T-APM ελευθερουςG1658 A-APM καιG2532 CONJ τουςG3588 T-APM δουλουςG1401 N-APM ιναG2443 CONJ δωσηG1325 V-AAS-3S αυτοιςG846 P-DPM χαραγμαG5480 N-ASN επιG1909 PREP τηςG3588 T-GSF χειροςG5495 N-GSF αυτωνG846 P-GPM τηςG3588 T-GSF δεξιαςG1188 A-GSF ηG2228 PRT επιG1909 PREP τωνG3588 T-GPN μετωπωνG3359 N-GPN αυτωνG846 P-GPM

Rev 13:17 καιG2532 CONJ ιναG2443 CONJ μηG3361 PRT-N τιςG5100 X-NSM δυνηταιG1410 V-PNS-3S αγορασαιG59 V-AAN ηG2228 PRT πωλησαιG4453 V-AAN ειG1487 COND μηG3361 PRT-N οG3588 T-NSM εχωνG2192 V-PAP-NSM τοG3588 T-ASN χαραγμαG5480 N-ASN ηG2228 PRT τοG3588 T-ASN ονομαG3686 N-ASN τουG3588 T-GSN θηριουG2342 N-GSN ηG2228 PRT τονG3588 T-ASM αριθμονG706 N-ASM τουG3588 T-GSN ονοματοςG3686 N-GSN αυτουG846 P-GSN

Rev 13:18 ωδεG5602 ADV ηG3588 T-NSF σοφιαG4678 N-NSF εστινG1510 V-PAI-3S οG3588 T-NSM εχωνG2192 V-PAP-NSM τονG3588 T-ASM νουνG3563 N-ASM ψηφισατωG5585 V-AAM-3S τονG3588 T-ASM αριθμονG706 N-ASM τουG3588 T-GSN θηριουG2342 N-GSN αριθμοςG706 N-NSM γαρG1063 CONJ ανθρωπουG444 N-GSM εστινG1510 V-PAI-3S καιG2532 CONJ οG3588 T-NSM αριθμοςG706 N-NSM αυτουG846 P-GSN χξςG5516 A-NUI-ABB​

The English word "or" in the KJB, is translated from the GNT TR "ηG2228 PRT", which is a disjunctive particle, meaning "either, or, than" (Thayer's), and "A primary particle of distinction between two connected terms; disjunctive, or; comparative, than: - and, but (either), (n-) either, except it be, (n-) or (else), rather, save, than, that, what, yea. Often used in connection with other particles. Compare especially G2235, G2260, G2273." (Strong's).

Here is how it is utilized in the KJB:

G2228
ἤ
ē
Total KJV Occurrences: 341
or, 268
Mat_5:17-18 (2), Mat_5:36, Mat_6:24, Mat_6:31 (2), Mat_7:4, Mat_7:9, Mat_7:16, Mat_9:5, Mat_10:11, Mat_10:14, Mat_10:19, Mat_10:37 (2), Mat_11:3, Mat_12:5, Mat_12:25, Mat_12:29, Mat_12:33, Mat_13:21, Mat_15:4-6 (3), Mat_16:14, Mat_16:26, Mat_17:25 (2), Mat_18:8 (3), Mat_18:16 (2), Mat_18:20, Mat_19:29 (7), Mat_21:25, Mat_23:17 (2), Mat_23:19, Mat_24:23, Mat_25:37-39 (4), Mat_25:44 (5), Mat_27:17, Mar_2:9, Mar_3:4 (2), Mar_3:33, Mar_4:17, Mar_4:21, Mar_4:30, Mar_6:15, Mar_6:56 (2), Mar_7:10-12 (3), Mar_8:37, Mar_11:29-30 (8), Mar_12:14-15 (2), Mar_13:21, Mar_13:35 (3), Luk_2:24, Luk_5:23, Luk_6:9 (2), Luk_7:19-20 (2), Luk_8:16, Luk_9:25, Luk_11:12, Luk_12:11 (2), Luk_12:14, Luk_12:29, Luk_12:41, Luk_13:4, Luk_13:15, Luk_14:5, Luk_14:12, Luk_14:31, Luk_16:13, Luk_17:7, Luk_17:21, Luk_17:23, Luk_18:11, Luk_18:29 (4), Luk_20:2, Luk_20:4, Luk_20:22, Luk_22:27, Joh_2:6, Joh_4:27, Joh_6:19, Joh_7:17, Joh_7:48, Joh_9:2, Joh_9:21, Joh_13:29, Joh_18:34, Act_1:7, Act_3:12 (2), Act_4:7, Act_4:34, Act_5:38, Act_7:49, Act_8:34, Act_10:14, Act_10:28 (2), Act_11:8, Act_17:29 (2), Act_18:14, Act_19:12, Act_20:33 (2), Act_23:9, Act_23:29, Act_24:20, Act_24:23, Act_26:31, Act_28:6, Act_28:17, Act_28:21, Rom_2:4, Rom_2:15, Rom_3:1, Rom_4:9-10 (2), Rom_4:13, Rom_6:16, Rom_8:35 (6), Rom_9:11, Rom_10:7, Rom_11:34-35 (2), Rom_14:4, Rom_14:10, Rom_14:13, Rom_14:21 (2), 1Co_1:13, 1Co_2:1, 1Co_4:3, 1Co_4:21, 1Co_7:10-11 (9), 1Co_7:15-16 (2), 1Co_9:6-8 (3), 1Co_9:10, 1Co_10:19, 1Co_11:4-6 (3), 1Co_11:22, 1Co_13:1, 1Co_14:6-7 (4), 1Co_14:23-24 (2), 1Co_14:27, 1Co_14:29, 1Co_15:36-37 (3), 2Co_1:13, 2Co_1:17, 2Co_3:1 (2), 2Co_6:15, 2Co_9:7, 2Co_10:12, 2Co_11:4 (2), 2Co_12:6, Gal_1:8, Gal_1:10 (2), Gal_3:2 (2), Gal_3:5, Gal_3:15, Eph_3:20, Eph_5:3, Eph_5:27 (2), Php_2:3, Col_3:16-17 (5), 1Th_2:19 (2), 2Th_2:4, 1Ti_2:9 (3), 1Ti_5:4, 1Ti_5:16, 1Ti_5:19, Tit_1:6, Tit_3:12, Phm_1:18, Heb_2:6, Heb_10:28, Heb_12:16, Heb_12:20, Jas_2:3, Jas_2:15, Jas_4:13, Jas_4:15, 1Pe_1:11, 1Pe_3:3, 1Pe_3:9, 1Pe_4:15 (3), Rev_13:15-17 (5), Rev_14:9
than, 39
Mat_10:15, Mat_11:22, Mat_11:24, Mat_18:8-9 (2), Mat_18:13, Mat_19:24, Mat_26:53, Mar_6:11, Mar_9:43, Mar_9:45, Mar_9:47, Mar_10:25, Luk_10:12, Luk_10:14, Luk_15:7, Luk_16:17, Luk_17:2, Luk_18:14, Luk_18:25, Joh_3:19, Joh_4:1, Act_4:19, Act_5:29, Act_25:6, Rom_13:11 (2), 1Co_7:9, 1Co_9:15, 1Co_14:5, 1Co_14:19, 2Co_1:13, Gal_4:27, 1Ti_1:4, 2Ti_3:4, Heb_11:25, 1Pe_3:17, 2Pe_2:21, 1Jn_4:4
either, 9
Mat_6:24, Mat_12:33, Luk_6:42, Luk_15:8, Luk_16:13, Act_17:21, 1Co_14:6, Jas_3:12 (2)
before, 6
Mat_1:18, Mar_14:30, Luk_2:26, Luk_22:34, Act_2:20, Act_7:2
neither, 5
Act_24:12-13 (3), Rom_1:21, Jas_1:17
nor, 5
Luk_22:68, 1Co_12:21, Eph_5:4-5 (3)
rather, 3
Mat_18:8-9 (2), Luk_12:51
what, 3
1Co_6:16, 1Co_6:19, 1Co_14:36
except, 1
Act_24:21
save, 1
Joh_13:10
yea, 1
1Co_16:6​

It is not once translated as "that is", which means "also meaning", "equal to saying", &c. It means "or", a contrasting, as for instance, see James 2:3, wherein the "or" is contrasting between "stand" and "sit". In Matthew 5:17, see that the "law" is contrasted with "the prophets" with the word "or", as they are two things. See Revelation 14:9 for a good example, and in the same context as our verses:

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,​

You wouldn't translate that as "receive his mark in his forehead, which is (or meaning the same as), in his hand", as the forehead and the hand are two things, not the same thing. The "or" is contrasting two differing places.

 

[ReChoired]

Ok from what I have herd preachers say, that by taking mark we will also have to swear and worship the beast, so it will not be any way of mistakenly taking the mark,, we will we know .. but I say the devil will try to trick believers that is what he does, so what does the bibles say???? does it give any indication ??

Revelation 13:16-18
Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

please post up any other scripture talking about the mark, thats all I could find,,,,,,,,

so if they tell us we can not buy or sell with out the vaccine, and they have way to detect it, can we conclude that is the mark of the Besast???

Ok a few things, since you asked:

The "mark of the Beast" and the "Seal (mark) of God" are in several places in scripture:

Mark of the Beast - Genesis 4:15, Revelation 13:16,17, 14:9,11, 15:2, 16:2, 19:20, 20:4, &c.

Seal (mark) of God - Isaiah 8:16; Song Of Solomon 8:6; Ezekiel 9:4,6; John 3:33, 6:27; 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:13, 4:30; 2 Timothy 2:19; Revelation 7:2,3,4,5,6,7,8, 9:4, &c.​

The Seal or Mark, always deals with a Persons Name, Authority/Rulership and Territory/Kingdom/Ownership, as for instance, see Esther 8, in which the "Seal" is marked by the King's Name (Ahasuerus), King's Authority (King) and Territory (Persia-Media, all his provinces, &c). The Seal or Mark is not the Name, Title or Territory, but that which has those things in it. See also Nebuchadnezzar, Nebuchadnezzar (Name) King (Title) of Babylon (Territory).

God's seal, is found in His own Law:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD (Name; JEHOVAH) made (Title - Maker/Creator) heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is (Territory - All things He Created), and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day (the Seal of God's Name, Title and Territory), and hallowed it.​

The Law of God deals with this:

Exo 13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

Exo_31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Exo_31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Deu_6:8 And thou shalt bind them (the Law of God, Deuterononmy 5) for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

Deu_11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

Eze_20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

Eze_20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.
​

Hand is a symbol for what one does, or works outwardly.

Forehead/Frontlets between the eyes is a symbol for what one thinks in heart/mind/spirit and is inwardly.

Thus the Mark of the Beast (Revelation 13:1-2) is a claim to be able to change the Law of God, and set another in it's place:

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
​

Revelation 14 is contrasting God's Seal with the Beast's Mark. God's authority with the Beast's authority. God's worship, with the Beast's worship. The Ten Commandments detail how one worships the True God, and in matters of whose authority we obey:

Rom_6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?​

The sabbath therein is the seal (inwardly and outwardly) of God's Name, Title and Territory, as seal upon the believers by the Holy Ghost (New Covenant, I will write my law in their hearts ... that they may do them)

 

[ReChoired]

I don't know what 666 is other than it has to do with man's way and not God's way.

This may be of assistance to you:

666 - The scriptural [KJB] Truth

https://archive.org/download/sea-of-glass/Sea of Glass.pptx

 

[DPMartin]

Ok from what I have herd preachers say, that by taking mark we will also have to swear and worship the beast, so it will not be any way of mistakenly taking the mark,, we will we know .. but I say the devil will try to trick believers that is what he does, so what does the bibles say???? does it give any indication ??

Revelation 13:16-18
Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

please post up any other scripture talking about the mark, thats all I could find,,,,,,,,


so if they tell us we can not buy or sell with out the vaccine, and they have way to detect it, can we conclude that is the mark of the Besast???

its an interesting thought, though I wouldn't go crazy over it. thing is, it could be a conditioning of sorts. like when McDonald conditioned the public to wait for their fast food. if you can get the whole world to do something or they can't do other things for the same reason. your more than half way there to the mark, aren't you?

also on the economic side there is in the US a subtle effort to push out the use of cash, its a step by step effort, but its there. the only ones who benefit from cash transactions are small business and transactions between individuals, of which Gov. can't track. and with todays tech. one could have a mark, implant similar to what they put on bank cards these days that would track all transactions and just about eliminate identity theft including other conveniences that give the illusion of more control but they are really giving up control. and you know this generation would wait in lines around the block to get one.

some say the bitcoin may have a big play in this, but I'm not that familiar with that.

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but the trouble is with the whole "mark" thing is, in the days revelations was written the it wasn't unusual for societies within the roman empire to require a mark as proof of some god honored that could have everything to do with individuals with in the society to be able by bread and such or do needful things.

there are societies in the world to day that have marks on their foreheads. which tells others of like beliefs or not. which could effect how one is treated.

so the "mark" issue may or may not be an issue at all and the Lord was addressing what was going on at that time or within the near future of the of the time of the writer.

 

[Golanv Waya]

 

[GEN2REV]

Ok from what I have herd preachers say, that by taking mark we will also have to swear and worship the beast, so it will not be any way of mistakenly taking the mark,, we will we know .. but I say the devil will try to trick believers that is what he does, so what does the bibles say???? does it give any indication ??

Revelation 13:16-18
Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

please post up any other scripture talking about the mark, thats all I could find,,,,,,,,


so if they tell us we can not buy or sell with out the vaccine, and they have way to detect it, can we conclude that is the mark of the Besast???

One thing I have noticed recently on this perspective is that there does seem to be a kind of spiritual aspect to the whole Vaccine debate/agenda.

If the govt, or food industry, wants to put chemicals of any kind in our food/drink, they just do it. They don't ask permission, nor inform us. They've been doing things that way for quite a few decades.

Isn't it kind of interesting that the Vaccine must be accepted on some deep personal level?

In other words, if it were something like the mark, all of the current drama and conflict raging would line up with a 'conscious decision to accept' the Vax/Mark.

Yes, of course, if it was just a simple vax for a virus, etc., you would give your consent. But if you think about it, if they were going to mandate it all along anyway, why wouldn't they just put it in our food/drink/water system, etc.?

After all, Rand Paul makes a great case in this video for Covid being created BY MAN in a lab in China. If that's the case, surely it didn't just haphazardly roll/drip off the table and make its way all around the world … by accident. Did it?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Ok from what I have herd preachers say, that by taking mark we will also have to swear and worship the beast, so it will not be any way of mistakenly taking the mark,, we will we know .. but I say the devil will try to trick believers that is what he does, so what does the bibles say???? does it give any indication ??

Revelation 13:16-18
Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

please post up any other scripture talking about the mark, thats all I could find,,,,,,,,


so if they tell us we can not buy or sell with out the vaccine, and they have way to detect it, can we conclude that is the mark of the Besast???

Revelation is very hard to understand David, clearly all can understand that receiving it makes you against God, therefore the mark is satanic. Knowing what beasts of Revelation represent is very helpful in understanding the mark. Revelation is figurative, which I think you realize, as you are thinking that it is not a literal mark, rather something else. So piecing that together we can see that supporting human governments over the Kingdom of God can net you this mark.

God's servants have no need to fear the mark, as we will fall under His Divine protection and are prophesied to survive the upcoming tribulation because of serving Him, not the governments. He will somehow feed us, perhaps like He fed us while we were in the wilderness. Our shoes didn't even wear out in 40 yrs.

As far as vaccinations, like you are thinking, we do not feel that God is against them. The governing body has openly stated that we can get vaccinated for the current virus if we choose to.