Was baptism always by immersion?

[TonyChanYT]

The book of Didache was written in the first century AD. Didache:

And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit.

Didache was being pragmatic, offering different modes of baptism.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The book of Didache was written in the first century AD. Didache:


Didache was being pragmatic, offering different modes of baptism.

Baptismo means immersion- gotta get dunked according to the bible.

 

[JohnDB]

Baptismo means immersion- gotta get dunked according to the bible.

No....
Baptizo means dyeing cloth, thread, or yarn. You might believe that the 70's were the start of tie dyeing...but nope. They were very adept at doing a LOT of things.

And the location where Jesus was Baptized is not even knee deep unless it's at flood stage and out of its banks. It really hasn't changed much in 2,000 years. It's the same location where the Israelites crossed into the Promised land with Joshua. One bank is steep and the other sloped.

 

[Randy Kluth]

The book of Didache was written in the first century AD. Didache:


Didache was being pragmatic, offering different modes of baptism.

Yes, it was an obvious reference to the fact it was a serious display of Christian conversion to the public, while at the same time showing that an exact choreography was beyond the purpose. It was not a fixed "Law," or statute.

It is interesting how the "3x pouring" is used to show the essential part of Water Baptism is that it be done properly by the authority of each Person of God. Every authority of God must be acknowledged to make the conversion display authentic, to make the conversion itself authentic.

And I would add that this means *God's Word* is acknowledged as the supreme authority behind our Salvation. It is by God's Word that we recognize the authority of all 3 Persons of God, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. In acknowledging the authority of God's Word we are able to accept God's Salvation.

 

[quietthinker]

Was baptism always by immersion?​

by fire?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No....
Baptizo means dyeing cloth, thread, or yarn. You might believe that the 70's were the start of tie dyeing...but nope. They were very adept at doing a LOT of things.

And the location where Jesus was Baptized is not even knee deep unless it's at flood stage and out of its banks. It really hasn't changed much in 2,000 years. It's the same location where the Israelites crossed into the Promised land with Joshua. One bank is steep and the other sloped.

baptizō (Key)

Part of Speech
verb
Root Word (Etymology)
From a derivative of βάπτω (G911)
Greek Inflections of βαπτίζω [?]

1. to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2. to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
3. to overwhelm

We do not hyave the exact location of where jesus was baptized. I have been to Israel and teh Jordan, and there are many places waist deep and deeper.

 

[JohnDB]

baptizō (Key)

Part of Speech
verb
Root Word (Etymology)
From a derivative of βάπτω (G911)
Greek Inflections of βαπτίζω [?]

1. to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2. to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
3. to overwhelm

We do not hyave the exact location of where jesus was baptized. I have been to Israel and teh Jordan, and there are many places waist deep and deeper.

Yeah....but "these stones" is a really big clue. And so Israel has a Kibbutz on the location. It aligns perfectly with scriptures with timing and descriptions. It's a natural location by how the topography lends itself to performing baptisms.

This isn't exactly a salvation issue. People were getting baptized at the city well and other locations fed by springs. There is certainly nothing wrong with complete immersion. Just that it's not exactly completely necessary. A "pour over", sprinkling, and hit upside the head with a wet rag also all works through FAITH. Faith is the operative word here. It's not the removal of dirt but the clean conscience with God that is the effective agent here.

Today we don't have anyone getting stoned to death or their houses confiscated or the baptized losing their jobs and family for observing the ordinance. So a LOT of the nuance is missing from becoming baptized...whether done by complete immersion or not.

John's Baptism was the institution of the "Priesthood of every believer" which allowed them to ask God directly for the forgiveness of sins and the handling of scripture. Jesus's baptism went one step further in addition of John's as including you into Jesus's sect of Judaism. (Christianity is still a sect of Judaism whether it's admitted or not)

 

[JohnDB]

The location of Jesus's Baptism.

Guess which rule I broke?

 

[Behold]

We do not hyave the exact location of where jesus was baptized. I have been to Israel and teh Jordan, and there are many places waist deep and deeper.

True.

Its not for certain known..

A "minor " consensus is the "Bethany, Beyond the Jordan"..

Here.
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[DJT_47]

Baptism means immersion irregardless of how mankind chose to and continues to choose to pervert the meaning

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yeah....but "these stones" is a really big clue. And so Israel has a Kibbutz on the location. It aligns perfectly with scriptures with timing and descriptions. It's a natural location by how the topography lends itself to performing baptisms.

This isn't exactly a salvation issue. People were getting baptized at the city well and other locations fed by springs. There is certainly nothing wrong with complete immersion. Just that it's not exactly completely necessary. A "pour over", sprinkling, and hit upside the head with a wet rag also all works through FAITH. Faith is the operative word here. It's not the removal of dirt but the clean conscience with God that is the effective agent here.

Today we don't have anyone getting stoned to death or their houses confiscated or the baptized losing their jobs and family for observing the ordinance. So a LOT of the nuance is missing from becoming baptized...whether done by complete immersion or not.

John's Baptism was the institution of the "Priesthood of every believer" which allowed them to ask God directly for the forgiveness of sins and the handling of scripture. Jesus's baptism went one step further in addition of John's as including you into Jesus's sect of Judaism. (Christianity is still a sect of Judaism whether it's admitted or not)

Well that still is a guess

I would like to see evidence of people getting baptized at the city well.

Baptism means immersion. There are other words for sprinkling etc. I think we should do baptism as the Lord inspired the words! It is the first command after salvation a beliver must do.