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Was there a pre-Adamic race?

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Christina, Sep 13, 2007.

  1. Wakka

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    I'm not too educated on Animals making to heaven. I made the assumption that they don't.Also, those deformities came from Man abusing incest. Meaning they do it for their pleasure, and God punished them. I'm sure back then Adam and Eve's children weren't disformed. They did it out of pure survival. And they carried out God's command to be fruitful. Why do you think AIDS wasn't around back then. Because men were having intercourse with each other. And God punished them.
     
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    Okay, to be honest with you....Everybody is right in their own eyes. People who believe in men traditions and claim what they say is truth...so be careful of what you say and learn...there will be a great delusion coming in.And God surpasses every school teaching ever known, whether we are aware of it or not. I'm not even going to limit God either. I'll stick with the Hebrew and the Greek. [​IMG] Love you.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    I don't take my doctrines from man! All the doctrines I've heard of so far come from you guys! And the only reason why I stay here is so I have the opportunity to study and get to know these doctrines. Also, even if you might be a little off, I still love you all.One thing about incest. It wasn't an actual law until Moses said it was wrong. And God used it to have us populate the earth until man started using this gift in their own wicked pleasure. That's where those birth defects come in.
     
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    Adam and adam, The Man Adam and mankind. Plus, the four principle Hebrew words translated "man" in our English Bibles; With definitions Let's realize the difference between adam (mankind) and Adam (The Man Adam from the Garden). We see in {Gen 6:3} that Adam (the word man used here is haa-Aadaam in the Manuscripts, meaning, The man Adam (8th day) and his progeny (offspring); not aadaam which simply means mankind, or the sixth day men and their families. In the Hebrew language the word aadaam means mankind). Now when you place the definite article (haa) and the particle ('eth) with aadaam, you have 'eth- haa-aadaam = This very same Man Adam. It is very emphatic, it is speaking of one particular individual out of all. eth- haa-aadaam occurs in {Gen 2:7,8,15} and {Gen 6:4} (list not comprehensive). These articles (haa) and particles ('eth) are not used in English as they are in Hebrew. Hebrew word #853: 'eth Sign (marker) of the definite direct object, not translated in English but generally preceding and indicating the accusative case Below we see that what is translated as 'daughters of men' is really 'daughters of the man Adam,' there is a difference! Gen 6:2 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. (KJV) In the Hebrew language there are four principle words rendered 'man' in our English translation of the Old Testament Hebrew Bible (spelling varies): Aadaam = denotes his origin, as from the dust of the "Adamah." man or mankind. Aadaam with the article it is haa-aadaam = The man Adam. Aadaam with the article and particle it is eth- haa-aadaam = this very self-same man Aadaam (very emphatic). 'Ish = in regards to sex, male. 'Enosh = has regards to his infirmities, as physically mortal, and as to character, incurable. Know for their moral depravity. Geber = has regards to strength, a mighty man. In {Gen 6:4} we see three out of the above four, as well as the Giants which is Napiliym or of the fallen: Gen 6:4 4 There were giants [= Ha-Napiliym] in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men [=daughters of (the man) 'Adam], and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men [= Geber] which were of old, men of renown [= Enosh]. (KJV) But anyway, in {Gen 6:3} Adam had become like the rest of the mankind, i.e., corrupt, sinful like the 6th day creation, and thus all their lives were shortened to a maximum of 120 years. Thus they had become 'mortal', meaning, liable to die someday.
     
  5. Wakka

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    The son's of God aren't angels. Angels were genderless. Anyhow, the Son's of God were Adam's descendants. And the Son's of Man were Cain's decedents. I realized that today.
     
  6. n2thelight

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    Wakka
    The son's of God aren't angels. Angels were genderless. Anyhow, the Son's of God were Adam's descendants. And the Son's of Man were Cain's decedents. I realized that today.
    Job 38 1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. 4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Did you catch verse 7, now this was before Adam,so how can they be his decendants?This Is Appendix 23 From The Companion Bible. It is only by the Divine specific act of creation that any created being can be called "a son of God". For that which is "born of the flesh is flesh". God is spirit, and that which is "born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:6). Hence Adam is called a "son of God" in Luke 3:38. Those "in Christ" having "the new nature" which is by the direct creation of God (2 Corinthians 5:17. Ehpesians 2:10) can be, and are called "sons of God" (John 1:13. Romans 8:14,15. 1John 3:1).1 This why angels are called "sons of God" in every other place where the expression is used in the Old Testament. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Psalms 29:1; 89:6. Daniel 3:25. (no article). 2 We have no authority or right to take the expression in Genesis 6:2,4 in any other sense. Moreover, in Genesis 6:2 the Septuagint renders it "angels". Angels are called "spirits" (Psalm 104:4. Hebrews 1:7,14), for spirits are created by God. That there was a fall of the angels is certain from Jude 6. The nature of their fall is clearly stated in the same verse. They left their own (oiketerion). This word occurs only in 2Corinthians 5:2. Jude 6, where it is used of the spiritual (or resurrection) body. The nature of their sin is stated to be "in like manner" to that of the subsequent sins of Sodom and Gomorrha, Jude 7. The time of their fall is given as having taken place "in the days of Noah" (1Peter 3:20. 2Peter 2:7), though there may have been a prior fall which caused the end of "the world that then was" (Genesis 1:1,2. 2Peter 3:6). For this sin they are "reserved unto judgement", 2Peter 2:4, and are "in prison", 1Peter 3:19. Their progeny, called Nephilim (translated "giants"), were monsters of iniquity; and being superhuman in size and character, had to be destroyed (see Appendix 25).This was the one and only object of the Flood. Only Noah and his family had preserved their pedigree pure from Adam (Genesis 6:9 see note on Genesis 6:9). All the rest had become "corrupt" (shachath) destroyed [as Adamites]. The only remedy was to destroy it (defacto), as it had become destroyed (de jure). (It is the same word in verse 17 as in verses 11,12.) See futher under Appendix 25 on the Nephilim. This irruption of fallen angels was Satan's first attempt to prevent the coming of the Seed of the woman foretold in Genesis 3:15. If this could be accomplished, God's Word would have failed, and his own doom would be averted. As soon as it was made known that the Seed of the woman was to come through ABRAHAM, there must have been another irruption, as recorded in Genesis 6:4, "and also after that" (that is to say, after the days of Noah, more than 500 years after the first irruption). The aim of the enemy was to occupy Canaan in advance of Abraham, and so to contest its occupation by his seed. For, when Abraham entered Canaan, we read (Genesis 12:6) "the Canaanite was then (that is to say, already) in the land." In the same chapter (Genesis 12:10-20) we see Satan's next attempt to interfere with Abraham's seed, and frustrate the purpose of God that it should be in "Isaac". This attempt was repeated in 20:1-18. This great conflict may be seen throughout the Bible, and it forms a great and important subject of Biblical study. In each case the human instrument had his own personal interest to serve, while Satan had his own great object in view. Hence God had, in each case, to interfere and avert the evil and the danger, of which His servants and people were wholly ignorant. The following assaults of the great Enemy stand out prominently:- The destruction of the chosen family by famine, Genesis 50:20. The destruction of the male line in Israel, Exodus 1:10,15, etc. Compare to Exodus 2:5. Hebrews 11:23. The destruction of the whole nation in Pharaoh's pursuit, Exodus 14. After David's line was singled out (2Samuel 7), that was the next selected for assault. Satan's first assault was in the union of Jehoram and Athaliah by Jehoshaphat, notwithstanding 2Chronicles 17:1. Jehoram killed off all his brothers (2Chronicles 21:4). The Arabians slew all his children, except Ahaziah (2Chronicles 21:17; 22:1). When Ahaziah died, Athaliah killed "all the seed royal" (2Chronilces 22:10). The babe Joash alone was rescued; and, for six years, the faithfulness of Jehovah's word was at stake (2Chronicles 23:3). Hezekiah was childless, when a double assault was made by the King of Assyria and the King of Terrors (Isaiah 36:1; 38:1). God's faithfulness was appealed to and relied on (Psalm 136). In Captivity, Haman was used to attempt the destruction of the whole nation (Esther 3:6,12,13. Compare 6:1). Joseph's fear was worked on (Matthew 1:18-20). Notwithstanding the fact that he was "a just man", and kept the Law, he did not wish to have Mary stoned to death (Deuteronomy 24:1); hence Joseph determined to divorce her. But God intervened: "Fear not". Herod sought the young Child's life (Matthew 2). At the Temptation, "Cast Thyself down" was Satan's temptation. At Nazareth, again (Luke 4), there was another attempt to cast Him down and destroy Him. The two storms on the Lake were other attempts. At length the cross was reached, and the sepulchre closed; the watch set; and the stone sealed. But "God raised Him from the dead." And now, like another Joash, He is seated and expecting (Hebrews 10:12,13), hidden in the house of God on high; and the members of "the one body" are hidden there "in Him" (Colossians 3:1-3), like another Jehoshaba; and going forth to witness of His coming, like another Jehoiada (2Chronicles 23:3). The irruption of "the fallen angels" ("sons of God") was the first attempt; and was directed against the whole human race. When Abraham was called, then he and his seed were attacked. When David was enthroned, then the royal line was assailed. And when "the Seed of the woman" Himself came, then the storm burst upon Him.
     
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    Kriss Honey Really=why Do Yu Think Adam And Eve Where Siblings? He Took A Rib From Adam And Made EVE. They Were Not Brother And Sister.now Apparently, And I May Be Wrong, Brother And Sister Down The Line Did Have Sex Unless God Left Something Out. Hell He Might Have Popped Out First Cousins Of Both Sexes. That Is Legal Here In Georgia.LOL=YU SEE WHERE ONE OF SOLOMONS SONS TOOK ONE OF HIS SISTERS=WE WHERE BAD BOYS WAY BACK WHEN. GOD TOLD THEM TO MULTIPLY, THEY DID, AND APPARENTLY THEY WENT AGAINST THE LORD AGAIN AND HAD INCEST=THAT IS THE WAY I READ IT=GOD BLESS. WE KNOW THEY ATE THE APPLE=THEY WHERE SINNERS!
     
  8. Wakka

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    Tim. Kriss is talking about their siblings reproducing.
     
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    Was there a pre-Adamic race?
    That is an excellant question. Its very refreshing to see Christians thinking in such solid terms nowadays. Thanks for posting this question. I will be very interested in the responses that you get.
    God created all the races on the sixth day (Genesis 1:24-31). He rested on the seventh and then we are told he created THE man Adam, ..
    There are two really good books out by a Jewish physicist named Nathan Aviezer. His web site is at http://www.ph.biu.ac.il/fpages/Aviezer_Nathan.htmlThe titles areIn the Beginning ... Biblical Creation and Science[/i]Fossils and Faith: Understanding Torah and Science[/i]These are books that are perfect for addressing the type of question you posted here. The author makes the point that how science defines the term "man" need not have the same meaing as used in the Bible. Genesis 1:27 - God created man in His imageThis is taken by many to mean that God made man with some of God's attributes such as his unique intellectual, creative, and spiritual qualities. On this point it was St. Augustine who said
    Man is a noble being created in the image of God, not as regards his body, but in that he excels the brute animals because of the gift of a rational soul.
    And St. Thomas Aquinas says further
    Man excels all animals by his reason and intelligence; thus, it is because of his intelligence and reason, which are spiritual, that man is said to be according to the image of God.
    This seperates Modern Man into two groups. One before man had these traits and one after man had these traits. This could be the point where God instilled into man his image.According to Aviezer Modern Man has existed for about 100,000 years. However it was only within the last, say, 10,000 years that something changed. That change is known in science as the Neolithic Revolution. This is where there was an explosion of unique intellectual, creative, and spiritual qualities.
    I base this on the fact that in Genesis 1:26, the word man does not have the definite article so it means mankind as a whole.
    I agree to a large extent.
    Are we all descendants of Adam and Eve? No. All the races were created on the sixth day.
    Excellant point. I strongly agree with you here.
    Why is Eve called the mother of all living?
    Is that a saying in the Bible? In any case I'm sure that man took Genesis to be literally true. I believe that Genesis is literally true but has to be read with Mankind's experiences with history, physics etc. Perhaps Genesis was more poetic than literal. I don't know. This has always confused me.
    She is called the mother of all living because it was through her offspring that Jesus Christ was born and we can only have eternal life through Him.
    Actually the Bible traces the geneology of Adam and Eve down to Joseph, Marry's husband. But there was no genetic material that passed from Joseph to Jesus. The only connection is that a decendent of Adam was married to the mother of Jesus. However the New Testament tells us nothing about Mary's geneology so there could have been genetic material passed down to Mary from Adam along other lines.
    Are Adam's descendants better than the other races? No. God created all the races on the sixth day (Genesis 1:24-31) and in verse 31 it tells us that God saw every thing He made and it was very good. No matter what race of people you happen to be, you are a child of the Living God and He loves you!This is Why there was no incest that created all mankind , This is why Cain went to land of Nod and married there, This is why Cain was scared he would be killed if he left and was send out into the world.
    Excellant observation. Best wishesPete
     
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    I completely agree with Kriss and others with the fact the races are put in the bible.It is so much better to use our common sense than to listen to men tradition.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    The book of Jasher 1:1-61 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and God created man in his own image.2 And God formed man from the ground, and he blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul endowed with speech.3 And the Lord said, It is not good for man to be alone; I will make unto him a helpmeet.4 And the Lord caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept, and he took away one of his ribs, and he built flesh upon it, and formed it and brought it to Adam, and Adam awoke from his sleep, and behold a woman was standing before him.5 And he said, This is a bone of my bones and it shall be called woman, for this has been taken from man; and Adam called her name Eve, for she was the mother of all living.6 And God blessed them and called their names Adam and Eve in the day that he created them, and the Lord God said, Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.We've got two proofs of the existence of one man, and one woman. The book of Genesis, and the book of Jasher.
     
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    And the fact that the Book of Jasher, while mentioned in the bible...it's not reliable at all, so I don't trust it...you can clearly see those "verses" are twisting the Word of God.Verse 1 of Jasher is really Geness 1:26 while skipping Genesis 1:27, but take away the part male and female created he them.Verse 2 of Jasher is at Genesis 2:7Verse 3 of Jasher is at Genesis 2:18Verse 4 of Jasher is at Genesis 2:21-22Verse 5 of Jasher is supposedly to be Genesis 2:23 (first part), however notice the difference between...Genesis 2:23 - And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.Jasher 1:5a - And he said, This is a bone of my bones and it shall be called woman, for this has been taken from man;The Word of God had it capitalize and Jasher had it lower case. There was a reason for that major difference of why God put it there to begin with.The second part of Verse 5 of Jasher went to Genesis 3:20Verse 6 of Jasher went to Genesis 5:2 then went to Genesis 1:28? This is so absurd picture my friend.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    (quote)However the New Testament tells us nothing about Mary's geneology so there could have been genetic material passed down to Mary from Adam along other lines.(quote)PeteMary's genology is given through her father in Luke 3:23 remember Elisabeth (mother of John the Baptist is Mary's cousin.Luk 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
     
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    wakka , the book of jasher=i do not know.eieioeieioeieioeieioeieioeieioeieio=i hate the way yu have to wait to post a short succint message=why do we have that krissy. kriss is my buddy too=well i like her, i hope she likes me(blushing)
     
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    wakka , the book of jasher=i do not know.eieioeieioeieioeieioeieioeieioeieio=i hate the way yu have to wait to post a short succint message=why do we have that krissy. kriss is my buddy too=well i like her, i hope she likes me(blushing)
    yes I like you too tim, when you behave:) but I dont know why you have to wait try hitting preview post instead of submit and then hit submit see if it works faster.
     
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    PeteMary's genology is given through her father in Luke 3:23 remember Elisabeth (mother of John the Baptist is Mary's cousin.Luk 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
    This does not allow us to trace her ancestory back to Adam and Eve. That was what I was talking about. All we have here is Mary's cousin, which does not constitute a geneology. What is it that I'm missing here?Pete
     
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    We must not worry pmb, Yahshua was born of a virgin Mary, but was in the lineage of Adam & Eve to come through (that was the SPECIAL lineup)Lovest ye in Christos Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.Genesis 3:14-15 - And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
     
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    Mary was a direct descendant of King David which gave Jesus the right to ascend the Jewish throne, both through Mary and through adoption by his foster father, Joseph. Mary’s genealogy is supplied in Luke 3:23-38. Dr. Henry Morris explains the genealogy in Luke:“Joseph was clearly the son of Jacob (Matthew 1:16, so this verse [Luke 3:23 - says “son of Heli”] should be understood to mean “son-in-law of Heli.” Thus, the genealogy of Christ in Luke is actually the genealogy of Mary, while Matthew gives that of Joseph. Actually, the word “son” is not in the original, so it would be legitimate to supply either “son” or “son-in-law” in this context. Since Matthew and Luke clearly record much common material, it is certain that neither one could unknowingly incorporate such a flagrant apparent mistake as the wrong genealogy in his record. As it is, however, the two genealogies show that both parents were descendants of David—Joseph through Solomon (Matthew 1:7-15), thus inheriting the legal right to the throne of David, and Mary through Nathan (Luke 3:23-31), her line thus carrying the seed of David, since Solomon’s line had been refused the throne because of Jechoniah’s sin” [Dr. Henry M. Morris, The Defender’s Study Bible, note for Luke 3:23 (Iowa Falls, Iowa: World Publishing, Inc., 1995).]. Although Jesus was clearly legally related to both parents (to Mary, by being born from her, and to Joseph by legal adoption), was he genetically related to them or to his brothers and sisters?For thousands of years, every human child has been born with an inherited sin nature and sinful flesh (Romans 8:3). This is a result of our sinful first parents, Adam and Eve to whom we are all genetically related. Each generation (without exception) has sinned (Rom. 3:23) and passed on its sinful nature and the curse of death, to each succeeding generation (the biblical doctrine of imputation of sin - Romans 5:12-19). There is only one exception in history. Although Jesus grew in the womb of Mary, in the same manner as any baby, he was different from all other babies. It appears that he was not genetically related to either Mary or Joseph, for both had an inherited sin nature. Jesus was sinless, and one may reasonably assume without genetic flaw, since he was to serve as the spotless and sacrificial Lamb of God.Ever since the Creation, each subsequent life has been created at the moment of conception. Scientifically, the new entity begins at the moment the DNA of man and woman combine. This was not the case with Jesus. As a spirit and part of the Trinity, Jesus existed before the Creation of the world. In fact, John reveals that he is the Creator (John 1).Furthermore, the physical body of Jesus as born in Bethlehem was clearly a special creation of God, placed in Mary’s womb. This is the biblical doctrine of the Virgin Birth.Thus, neither Christ’s spirit nor his body must have resulted from the DNA of Mary’s egg or from any man’s sperm. Both would have contained inherited genetic defects and the sin nature. As Scripture tells us, Jesus was truly the Second Adam. The first Adam was a special creation of God (not related to any human being), and so was the second Adam (Romans 5:12-19). Jesus was just as fully human as the first Adam. And just like the first Adam, he had no sin nature, no inherited sin, no sinful flesh, which has always been passed from one generation to the next since Adam and Eve’s sin. He was absolutely pure and without sin—from the day he was born, till the day he died. He had to be—he was the Lamb of God, without blemish or spot, sacrificed for sins (John 1:29). (For further explanation, see: CREATION AND THE VIRGIN BIRTH and WHEN GOD BECAME MAN] R.Taylor
     
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    Mary was a direct descendant of King David which gave Jesus the right to ascend the Jewish throne, both through Mary and through adoption by his foster father, Joseph. Mary’s genealogy is supplied in Luke 3:23-38. Dr. Henry Morris explains the genealogy in Luke:“Joseph was clearly the son of Jacob (Matthew 1:16, so this verse [Luke 3:23 - says “son of Heli”] should be understood to mean “son-in-law of Heli.” Thus, the genealogy of Christ in Luke is actually the genealogy of Mary, while Matthew gives that of Joseph. Actually, the word “son” is not in the original, so it would be legitimate to supply either “son” or “son-in-law” in this context. ...
    Wow. I never noticed that. Thank you very much for educating me on this point! [​IMG]Pete
     
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    Luke 3:23 "And Jesus Himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as it was supposed) the Son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,"As you go through these many names, remember that each of them played a part in the stories of the entire Old Testament. The Bible is a story of one man, Adam, and His family. All the other nations of the earth that are part of our Bible enter by what they did to this family either for good or bad. There are no cover-up in the Scripture text, for if there are, it is by the hand of a Kenite Scribe trying to hide themselves as they came into control, and took over the duties of the scribes following the captivity of Judah in Babylon.Ezra warned us of this fact in Ezra 8:15; when he stopped to take account of who and what was going back to Jerusalem to build the temple, and set up worship there. "And I gathered them together to the river that runneth to Ahava; and there abode we in tents three days: and I viewed the People, and the priests, and found there none of the sons of Levi."The Levitical priesthood was completely taken over from top to bottom by these foreign men brought in for service. They are called "Nethinims"; these oriental sons of Cain called "Kenites" in I Chronicles 2:55; "And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hamath, the father of the house of Rechab." This is why we must be diligent in our studies, for there were many changes by these Kenites, to make the Word of God conform to their traditions.So from the time of the birth of Christ, to the birth of David time was just over one thousand years. The time under the kings of Israel and Judah ran for about five hundred years until Nebuchadnezzar took Jerusalem captive about 500 B. C. David is of the king line of Judah, for this would be Mary father's blood line.As you read these names, the term "Which was", in the Hebrew text is what we use today as "which was supposed or reckoned by law", or better know as "in-laws; father in law etc.". This is recording the in-laws of Joseph, or the bloodline of Mary's father. We know Mary's mother is of the lineage of Aaron, or Levi, as Mary and Elisabeth were cousins. Mary's mother and Elisabeth's mother were sisters, giving Jesus the lineage of both priest and king.Luke 3:24 "Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph," As you read through the rest of this chapter, notice that there is nothing noting that a begat took place, or these men being blood relatives of Joseph. As stated before, these men are of the lineage of Mary's father, and not Joseph's. They are relatives as by law, in-laws. It was common by law at this time, if there was no son in the family, which was the case here, the lineage passed off to the husband of the wife. So this is the reason that it states that Joseph was of Heli, when by blood Joseph was the son of Jacob. That was given to us in Matthew 1:16.This is why Jesus became the King of kings and Lord of Lords by birth. The throne is His, and at the seventh trump He will return to take it. Revelation 19:12-19 tells us so.Luke 3:38 "Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."It is important to notice that last birth, "Which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God." Adam was created by God, the son of God. God was the father of Christ, the only begotten child of the Father. He became the Savior to the world. The time period from the forming of Adam 4004 B.C., on the eight day of the creation period, to the flood of Noah's time in 1996 B.C as two thousand eight years. Notice that the ages of mankind 700 years to Methuselah at 969 years of age. Genesis 5:27 "And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died."During these two thousand years, Satan attacked the lineage of mankind by having his fallen angels come down to earth, entering this dimension of flesh man to marry the human daughters of man, and having children. This went against God's plan for this age of flesh man, born innocent, and having the right to choose God's way or Satan's path to destruction for themselves. The point to draw attention to here in the lineage Jesus Christ is in Genesis 6:9.Genesis 6:9 "These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.""Generations" as given in the Hebrew text is "toledoth", meaning "family history". And the word "perfect" as referenced to "his generations"; in the Hebrew text the word is "tamim", and today we call it "as to breed or pedigree." "Tamin" was important in the use of animal sacrifices. Those people raising animals know exactly what is meant by pedigree and breeding, it is keeping the unwanted strains out of the blood line of the animal. The reason for the flood in the first place was that the entire population of the earth by the end of that two thousand year period was completely contaminated with the blood of those fallen angels, and mankind was full of all sorts of wickedness. God sent the flood on the earth to destroy those corrupted people of the earth. To protect the future blood line of our Lord and Savior that we are reading of here in Luke. This is why it become important to notice when Kenite Scribes try to taint the lineage of Christ, by adding to it or taking away from that lineage.The progeny of the fallen angels with the daughters of Adam brought about the "Nephilim", also referred to as "Giants". "Nephilim" in the Hebrew means "fallen ones", coming from "naphal" or "to fall". These offspring of the Nephilim became know as "gibbor" meaning "heroes". Jesus warned us in Matthew 24:37-39 that it would be exactly as it was in the days of Noah at the time the flood came, at the time of our Lord's return. We know this to be true, for shortly Michael will boot Satan and his fallen angels to the earth for that final time before our Lords Return at the seventh trump.Luke has given us the exact birth of John the Baptist, as well as Christ. He has allowed us to determine the exact time of both John the Baptist and Jesus' birth dates, which gives us fixed dates. Using both the first and the third chapters of Luke we can determine that the conception of the virgin Mary took place on December 25, and the birth of Christ on the feast of the tabernacles, nine months later. Jesus was circumcised on the eighth day, the day of atonement. This is recorded day by day in detail in Appendix 179 in the Companion Bible. This makes December 25 very special, as it is the time that God came to dwell with man. This proves the time of life within the soul of an unborn baby starts at conception. It said that the Babe within Elisabeth's womb leaped with joy. Joy is fixed to the human thinking process, and requires a soul and spirit. It is not a physical reaction but a spiritual reaction.http://www.theseason.org/luke/luke3.htm
     
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