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What are your thoughts about the Stars in the Sky, and the Planets that exist inthe CreatedUniverse?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by MatthewG, Sep 15, 2022.

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    I think the lesser light was most likely the moon. The various times it came up from Mesopotamian stuff I’ve read it seems many believed the same. That the moon as a nighttime light.
     
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    @MatthewG have you ever wondered about the vastness of the Universe and the insignificance of our tiny planet in just one small solar system, in one small galaxy among billions?

    What was the purpose of God’s choosing the earth to transform into a habitable place for all the varieties of life that he placed here? And do you think that he has plans for the rest of what is “out there’s”?
    It’s all speculation, of course but interesting to contemplate nonetheless....what are your thoughts?
     
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    Though you are not asking me I think that we are not here by any design to great purpose. We just happened to pop up and the creator reached out to us. I think he reached out to all animals. Just reaches out to them in a way they can understand. Not only is earth just one planet out of billions and trillions of planets, possibly even sextillions of them. Then that’s just the planets in our universe. There is potential for a infinite amount of universes. Then once you think about all of that you realize out of the almost 5 billions years the world has been here Yahweh seemed to have reached out most clearly a mere 10k years ago.
    As for the rest of the universes and worlds, if there is life, he probably plans the same as with us. To love them.
     
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    This makes me smile.....can you tell me how life just happened? How do things design themselves?
    Tell me what you use in your everyday life that you find useful, that was not designed and manufactured by an intelligent mind?

    If God said he designed and built all that exists.....created from the smallest of his productions (atoms and molecules) then why would you doubt that he has a purpose to all that he has made?.....because he says in Isaiah 45:18...
    “This is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the true God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply fornothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: ‘I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.”

    Nothing exists for no reason. Perhaps if you paid more attention to what God says instead of relying on atheistic scientists and those who have sold God in exchange for a flawed and unprovable human concept, you would have more appreciation for the design in nature as well as in the Universe itself, and how Job observed (before Newton named it) gravity holds everything in place. (Job 26:7) How could Job know, thousands of years before science did, that the earth is hanging in empty space, when humans had invented all kinds of scenarios to explain what supported it?
     
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    You're welcome. The computer is an interesting invention. Generations before us might have thought the car, the airplane, the telephone, and the telegraph were interesting inventions. The Hubble Telescope is an interesting device, but think of what it took to put it in space.
     
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    It is so beautiful - there have been some stunning pics from this new telescope. It is hard for us humans with our finite existence to comprehend the meaning of infinity. Perhaps we will one day. Perhaps we will get to see it all.
     
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    I see no reason to repeat everything I’ve done in the other places. The Bible says God knits us together in the womb. I think a sperm and a egg did it. Most likely after a couple had sex.

    the Bible says God makes it rain. I think that it rains because of a multitude of reasons we see discussed in meteorology.

    I think the chemical evolution involved in the process of abiogenesis will eventually be understood good enough to explain that process. But if someone has evidence of deign, I’ll accept it. But it needs to be evidence and not just simply a gap because in that gap I lean towards science, not god because I think that’s what most sensible.

    None of that causes me to doubt Yahweh, the Bible and ect…. I just see it all through a very different lens than you and many others in here. In some other forums I’m in it’s the opposite. Everyone would be sharing my ideas and you would stand out as different .
     
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    The very fact that there is gender is design. No reproduction can occur without it. Each gender provides the raw materials for the next generation. How is that accidental?

    The very fact that all living beings had a food source and habitat created for them before they themselves were created, is evidence of design.

    That the earth itself supports life, (that did not pop into existence by itself) but gives evidence of amazing design even at its smallest level, has perhaps gone unnoticed by those who want to divorce the Creator from his own creation.....because he is apparently not *scientific* enough for those people.

    Did you know that it is the YEC's who steer the scientifically minded to reject what they propose? Yet, there is no evidence for a young earth, nor is there evidence for 6 literal 24 hour days of creation....the Bible never made those statements in the first place.
    Researching the Hebrew word for "day" answers a lot of those questions. It doesn't just mean a 24 hour period but its extended meaning can be "an unspecified period of time", allowing those creative "days" to be eons not hours.

    The first verse of Genesis 1 and the start of earth's preparation for habitation in verse 2, give no timeframe between them, so the creation of "the heaven and the earth" as one act of creation, euphemistically called the "big bang"...(for want of a better expression) that is exactly what it was. The production of matter from pure energy.....supplied by the one whose energy is limitless.....He alone is the source of such enormous power.

    Precipitation is itself a miracle, as is the very substance itself. Have you never wondered about "water" and what makes it such a vital and unique substance on this planet?
    The oceans are full of it and yet the land dwellers cannot drink it because the salt content would eventually kill them. Moisture is drawn up into clouds and and the salt is left behind by evaporation, so that the water deposited on the land can be used to promote and sustain all the life that is designed to live there. Did that just happen by accident? That water is constantly recycled is a miracle without which no land dwelling creatures could survive.

    Don't hold your breath....in my experience, evolutionists are very quick to distance themselves from abiogenesis. Not knowing how life began is a constant reminder that 'how life changed' is not the biggest question. What does it matter how living things adapted to changing environments and food sources, if you don't know where life came from? If God is the source, then the changes too are very explainable. Adaptation is programmed into every living thing...it is a survival mechanism. Can you tell me one experiment that science has conducted with regard to speciation where the end product was NOT a member of the same "kind"?

    Did you know that every common ancestor in the evolutionary "tree" is assumed to have existed? There is no real evidence that they actually did. If the common ancestors did not exist, then there is no evolution......it cannot exist without them.

    And when we see diagrams like this one...
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    Do you see that little line on the bottom that goes nowhere......? That is the biggest ?

    Now that is a very telling statement....do you know how many "gaps" are filled in with imagination and suggestion in evolutionary science? Do you read the scientific papers and see how much of what they claim is 'invention' based on their own 'assumptions'?
    Their whole theory is based on "belief" which to me identifies it as more of a religion than a branch of science. Its the one branch that is NOT based on solid evidence....only what 'appears' to be solid evidence....and a lot of wishful thinking.

    I use the Berkeley Evolution 101 that is taught to students of the theory in plain understandable terms without a lot of jargon which can be confusing.

    Here they present the evolution of whales....seems like a nice diagram and very well linked to a chain of creatures that begin with a four legged dog-like creature and end with a monstrous sea creature.....

    They start off by saying....

    "The evolution of whales
    The first thing to notice on this evogram is that hippos are the closest living relatives of whales, but they are not the ancestors of whales. In fact, none of the individual animals on the evogram is the direct ancestor of any other, as far as we know. That’s why each of them gets its own branch on the family tree."

    And yet here is the diagram that basically shows an unbroken line leading from "indohyus" to "mysticetes"



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    They go on to explain.....

    "These first whales, such as Pakicetus, were typical land animals. They had long skulls and large teeth that could be used for eating meat. From the outside, they don’t look much like whales at all. However, their skulls — particularly in the inner ear region, which is surrounded by a bony wall — strongly resemble those of living whales and are unlike those of any other mammal. Often, seemingly minor features provide critical evidence to link animals that are highly specialized for their lifestyles (such as whales) with their less extreme-looking relatives."

    The evolution of whales - Understanding Evolution

    So what is their evidence that the four legged furry creature is a relative of the whale?....an earbone that "strongly resembles" the whales we see later. This "seemingly minor feature" is what they say proves their theory......
    Now I don't know about you, but I am not one bit convinced by that flimsy bit of nonsense.

    I have been on those forums and it was a waste of time talking to people who were determined to kill God or to convince them of anything, even from all the suggestions I pointed out in their own literature. If you have to use terminology like "might have" or "could have" or "leads us to the conclusion that..." that something happened so long ago that no one can provide any clear evidence (except by suggestion and a range of graphics concocted to make things look like they can be true)....sorry, I'll stick to the power of the Creator every time.....design screams for a designer.

    Evolution is nothing but an imitation religion IMO.
     
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    So this was littered with things that just are not true. But as stated before, I don’t care what y’all believe. It’s just not important to me just like it’s not important to almost anyone. It’s just a handful of y’all. The reason why you see less and less debates is because science accepting people just care less and less to engage in it. It’s why I just read like 1/10th of the posts. It’s all just so silly to be honest. For example the reason why you see the linages of whales lined out the way the us Reno’s because thousands of biologists have looked at it, and it’s all over the internet and textbooks. It’s supported by genetics, paleontology, morphology and ect…

    I don’t debate it very much anymore because it’s so exhausting when there are thousands of facts out there.
    Anyways this is my last comment. I’m leaving this forum. It’s just too backwards with the exception of a few people. I don’t have time to waste with the stupid stuff. Enough people reached out through BL and that’s enough.
     
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    Time telling by design is interesting,
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    Yes...its not because those "thousands of biologists" wouldn't dare promote any other belief.....they would lose their job and their credibility in the scientific community if they pointed out the obvious, so they gloss over what they present as "facts", because there is no solid evidence for organic evolution in existence......but plenty of evidence for adaptation....one does not prove the other.....so you keep on doing what you are doing and so will I...one of us is championing the Creator and giving credit where credit is due....and the other is passing the devil's deception off as truth....where do you imagine that will take you? [​IMG] I hope you think about it.
     
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    Great verse there, @BeyondET
     
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    [​IMG]

    Tarantula Nebula star-forming region in a new light, including tens of thousands of never-before-seen young stars that were previously shrouded in cosmic dust.
     
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    When you think that all this beauty was created for God's own pleasure, long before humankind could imagine such glory.

    I think the same too about marine life - just there for so many years before it was ever available to the human eye to see.
     
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