What Christian is not doing the works of the flesh?

[Always Believing]

I stopped promising God and myself that I will not do a work of the flesh anymore, and I have heard others talking and teaching about it, but I have not seen anyone saying they aren't doing it.

I stopped getting caught up with different teachings a while ago, and I'm not looking for just another one to think about. Some I agree with and some I don't and some I don't know what they're talking about, which is fine, because those things are not what make us saved by Jesus Christ. The only thing that matters to me is being forgiven and saved by Jesus and that is by confessing my sin from the heart to Jesus when I sin, and being forgiven and saved.

I no longer sin all the time nor try to, but I do want to stop doing carnal works of the flesh if possible, and if someone is really freed from doing them, then I want to hear from them how that is. If it is by a teaching, then I want to hear it and see for myself. So if a Christian is still doing a work of the flesh here and there like I am, then I'm sure your teaching is fine, but I am looking for results, not just another teaching that does not deliver the goods when practiced faithfully.

 

[quietthinker]

I stopped promising God and myself that I will not do a work of the flesh anymore, and I have heard others talking and teaching about it, but I have not seen anyone saying they aren't doing it.

I stopped getting caught up with different teachings a while ago, and I'm not looking for just another one to think about. Some I agree with and some I don't and some I don't know what they're talking about, which is fine, because those things are not what make us saved by Jesus Christ. The only thing that matters to me is being forgiven and saved by Jesus and that is by confessing my sin from the heart to Jesus when I sin, and being forgiven and saved.

I no longer sin all the time nor try to, but I do want to stop doing carnal works of the flesh if possible, and if someone is really freed from doing them, then I want to hear from them how that is. If it is by a teaching, then I want to hear it and see for myself. So if a Christian is still doing a work of the flesh here and there like I am, then I'm sure your teaching is fine, but I am looking for results, not just another teaching that does not deliver the goods when practiced faithfully.

Where is the focus in our thinking and in our words? That'll give a clue if there is courage to be self honest.

 

[Always Believing]

Where is the focus in our thinking and in our words? That'll give a clue if there is courage to be self honest.

Are you someone that is not doing the works of the flesh?

 

[quietthinker]

Are you someone that is not doing the works of the flesh?

Your question indicates your focus. Navel gazing is the prison we love.....if it wasn't it wouldn't be engaged.

 

[Always Believing]

Your question indicates your focus. Navel gazing is the prison we love.....if it wasn't it wouldn't be engaged.

And not answering a direct question is evasion. I don't play games over serious issues. I made it clear who I am looking to hear from. If you are not doing any works of the flesh, then I want to hear from you. But if you are, then I already know how to do that.

 

[quietthinker]

And not answering a direct question is evasion. I don't play games over serious issues. I made it clear who I am looking to hear from. If you are not doing any works of the flesh, then I want to hear from you. But if you are, then I already know how to do that.

Not hearing the answer is what I'm addressing. You assume I haven't answered you. Could it be you haven't heard the answer? Could it be that further enquiry is possible....even necessary? Could it be that works of the flesh constitute a lack of enquiry at best and a refusal at worst?
Could it be that parables dished out by Jesus were designed to stimulate enquiry?....because without honed enquiry, any answers don't compute or are misinterpreted?

 

[Enoch111]

I stopped promising God and myself that I will not do a work of the flesh anymore, and I have heard others talking and teaching about it, but I have not seen anyone saying they aren't doing it.

What does Paul say regarding "the works of the flesh"? We need to be clear about this first. Here is his list:

adultery
fornication
uncleanness (impurity)
lasciviousness
idolatry
witchcraft
hatred
variance (contention)
emulations (jealousy)
wrath
strife
seditions
heresies
envyings,
murders,
drunkenness,
revellings, and such like

Chances are that most genuine Christians are NOT involved in these activities, or at least try to avoid them.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I stopped promising God and myself that I will not do a work of the flesh anymore, and I have heard others talking and teaching about it, but I have not seen anyone saying they aren't doing it.

I stopped getting caught up with different teachings a while ago, and I'm not looking for just another one to think about. Some I agree with and some I don't and some I don't know what they're talking about, which is fine, because those things are not what make us saved by Jesus Christ. The only thing that matters to me is being forgiven and saved by Jesus and that is by confessing my sin from the heart to Jesus when I sin, and being forgiven and saved.

I no longer sin all the time nor try to, but I do want to stop doing carnal works of the flesh if possible, and if someone is really freed from doing them, then I want to hear from them how that is. If it is by a teaching, then I want to hear it and see for myself. So if a Christian is still doing a work of the flesh here and there like I am, then I'm sure your teaching is fine, but I am looking for results, not just another teaching that does not deliver the goods when practiced faithfully.

None of us whip it completely sir, but we do work hard on it. Reading especially the verses that follow the works of the flesh, and perhaps trying to put into practice just one of those fruitages each day will make it easier to follow them. Try to memorize them, and set a goal to affect someone elses life with one of them each day. It is easy to give others a taste of the works of the flesh, but much more difficult to display one of the fruitages of the spirit to them, but oh how great it will make you feel to do so.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I stopped promising God and myself that I will not do a work of the flesh anymore, and I have heard others talking and teaching about it, but I have not seen anyone saying they aren't doing it.

I stopped getting caught up with different teachings a while ago, and I'm not looking for just another one to think about. Some I agree with and some I don't and some I don't know what they're talking about, which is fine, because those things are not what make us saved by Jesus Christ. The only thing that matters to me is being forgiven and saved by Jesus and that is by confessing my sin from the heart to Jesus when I sin, and being forgiven and saved.

I no longer sin all the time nor try to, but I do want to stop doing carnal works of the flesh if possible, and if someone is really freed from doing them, then I want to hear from them how that is. If it is by a teaching, then I want to hear it and see for myself. So if a Christian is still doing a work of the flesh here and there like I am, then I'm sure your teaching is fine, but I am looking for results, not just another teaching that does not deliver the goods when practiced faithfully.

Romans appears to say that those who do particular sins are worthy of death to not only those who had pleasure in these sins but to simply those who do them.

Romans 1:31-32
31 “Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

 

[Charlie24]

I stopped promising God and myself that I will not do a work of the flesh anymore, and I have heard others talking and teaching about it, but I have not seen anyone saying they aren't doing it.

I stopped getting caught up with different teachings a while ago, and I'm not looking for just another one to think about. Some I agree with and some I don't and some I don't know what they're talking about, which is fine, because those things are not what make us saved by Jesus Christ. The only thing that matters to me is being forgiven and saved by Jesus and that is by confessing my sin from the heart to Jesus when I sin, and being forgiven and saved.

I no longer sin all the time nor try to, but I do want to stop doing carnal works of the flesh if possible, and if someone is really freed from doing them, then I want to hear from them how that is. If it is by a teaching, then I want to hear it and see for myself. So if a Christian is still doing a work of the flesh here and there like I am, then I'm sure your teaching is fine, but I am looking for results, not just another teaching that does not deliver the goods when practiced faithfully.

It's like a job you don't like. You complain and belly ache but do nothing about it. Then when you're sick and fed up with it, you despise it and can't seem to bear it any long, you drop that job and find another. It's like a weight lifted off your shoulders, it's a feeling of freedom. Then you wonder why didn't I do something about this sooner?

So it is with sin in the life of the believer! When you're sick and tired of sin, you see it everywhere and you want to be set free from it, total surrender is around the corner. That's when the Holy Spirit has your permission to set you free, and He will. You will now work with Him, and He will lead you to where God wants you, no more practicing sin in your life.

But first must come the will and a seen need. That comes from growing in knowledge and Grace in relationship with Christ. No doubt you are well on your way from what I see in the OP.

 

[Always Believing]

Not hearing the answer is what I'm addressing. You assume I haven't answered you. Could it be you haven't heard the answer? Could it be that further enquiry is possible....even necessary? Could it be that works of the flesh constitute a lack of enquiry at best and a refusal at worst?
Could it be that parables dished out by Jesus were designed to stimulate enquiry?....because without honed enquiry, any answers don't compute or are misinterpreted?

Whatever that means, it's probably no from me. I don't play the finesse game. I start a posting with an unmistakable specific question and search. I'm not looking for Christian philosophers. If you want to teach on parables, then start another posting on it.

 

[Always Believing]

What does Paul say regarding "the works of the flesh"? We need to be clear about this first. Here is his list:

adultery
fornication
uncleanness (impurity)
lasciviousness
idolatry
witchcraft
hatred
variance (contention)
emulations (jealousy)
wrath
strife
seditions
heresies
envyings,
murders,
drunkenness,
revellings, and such like

Chances are that most genuine Christians are NOT involved in these activities, or at least try to avoid them.

What about you? I'm not one of the Christian saints, and I know there are many, and so I want to hear from one of them.

 

[Always Believing]

None of us whip it completely sir, but we do work hard on it. Reading especially the verses that follow the works of the flesh, and perhaps trying to put into practice just one of those fruitages each day will make it easier to follow them. Try to memorize them, and set a goal to affect someone elses life with one of them each day. It is easy to give others a taste of the works of the flesh, but much more difficult to display one of the fruitages of the spirit to them, but oh how great it will make you feel to do so.

Then we're the same. I'm looking to hear from them that aren't. Thanks anyway. I already know how to be like you.

 

[Always Believing]

Romans appears to say that those who do particular sins are worthy of death to not only those who had pleasure in these sins but to simply those who do them.

Romans 1:31-32
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

Are you one of those Christian saints not committing the works of the flesh?

 

[Always Believing]

It's like a job you don't like. You complain and belly ache but do nothing about it. Then when you're sick and fed up with it, you despise it and can't seem to bear it any long, you drop that job and find another. It's like a weight lifted off your shoulders, it's a feeling of freedom. Then you wonder why didn't I do something about this sooner?

So it is with sin in the life of the believer! When you're sick and tired of sin, you see it everywhere and you want to be set free from it, total surrender is around the corner. That's when the Holy Spirit has your permission to set you free, and He will. You will now work with Him, and He will lead you to where God wants you, no more practicing sin in your life.

But first must come the will and a seen need. That comes from growing in knowledge and Grace in relationship with Christ. No doubt you are well on your way from what I see in the OP.

This all sounds good of course, but are you one of the Christian saints succeeding in it? Or, are you still doing any works of the flesh? I've left off worrying about teachings that do not result in the action spoken of. if someone is actually doing it, then I want to take time to ask more about it.

"If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority." (John 7.17)

The authority of teaching I am looking for is someone who is doing it and succeeding at it. This is not a challenge on anyone's Christian salvation and life. I just want to talk to someone who is a Christian saint not doing the works of the flesh. So far, no one is saying so.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Are you one of those Christian saints not committing the works of the flesh?

It is written,

5 "Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom.
6 For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man's enemies are the men of his own house." (Micah 7:5-6).

In addition, would you believe me if I told you about my life? Well, trust needs to be earned. I confide in those who believe the Word of God as I do. Furthermore, it does not matter if most of the whole world was not living correctly. God's Word is still the standard and the standard is not my life alone. God destroyed an entire world with a global flood except for eight people. We walk by faith and not by sight. I am not above God's Word in what it says anymore than you are. If the Bible tells me to be ye holy, that is something I have to accept (Whether I like it or not).

My issue with most of Christianity today is that they are not believing all of the Scriptures. They pick and choose what parts to believe in. Also, you did not really explain the passage put forth to you that demolishes your belief. Making it personal is of course a standard tactic so as not deal with the text I showed you.

 

[quietthinker]

Whatever that means, it's probably no from me. I don't play the finesse game. I start a posting with an unmistakable specific question and search. I'm not looking for Christian philosophers. If you want to teach on parables, then start another posting on it.

This is probably lost on you AB but I will post it anyway....

John 8:31-36
31Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
33They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will be made free’?”
34Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

I stopped promising God and myself that I will not do a work of the flesh anymore, and I have heard others talking and teaching about it, but I have not seen anyone saying they aren't doing it.

I stopped getting caught up with different teachings a while ago, and I'm not looking for just another one to think about. Some I agree with and some I don't and some I don't know what they're talking about, which is fine, because those things are not what make us saved by Jesus Christ. The only thing that matters to me is being forgiven and saved by Jesus and that is by confessing my sin from the heart to Jesus when I sin, and being forgiven and saved.

I no longer sin all the time nor try to, but I do want to stop doing carnal works of the flesh if possible, and if someone is really freed from doing them, then I want to hear from them how that is. If it is by a teaching, then I want to hear it and see for myself. So if a Christian is still doing a work of the flesh here and there like I am, then I'm sure your teaching is fine, but I am looking for results, not just another teaching that does not deliver the goods when practiced faithfully.

We all understand that because of the sin of Adam we all his offspring, inherit sin and death. None of us will ever be perfect in this wicked world we're living in now. However we do have to keep what God's word has to say in our minds also. Like at Galatians 5:19-21 it says, "Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom. The apostle Paul was talking to the members of the Galatian congregation when he was inspired to write Galatian 5:19-21, he wasn't speaking to people in the world who were not baptized members of the congregation.

Now we must understand that scriptures like Galatians 5:19-21 is talking about those who are practicing sin. There's a difference between someone who practices sin and someone who commits a sin or makes a mistake because of weakness. I agree that we should always strive to abstain from sin but that doesn't mean we're going to be perfect at that. But like I said, there is a difference between someone who commits a sin and someone who practices sin.

For example a person may commit a serious sin like adultery. But committing this sin and practicing this sin are two different things. Like a married person may cheat on his/her spouse by sleeping with someone else but then feel guilty and confess their sin to God and ask for forgiveness, and then confess to their innocent spouse. Such a person who genuinely is repentant when they confess their sin to God will be forgiven. Exactly what will happen between the married couple will be up to the married couple, whether they stay together or not.

But let's take the same married couple and a married person is not just committing a sin but having an affair that has been going on for awhile and when the innocent spouse finds out about it, the spouse who is having the affair doesn't stop with the affair but continues with the affair, which shows such a person isn't truly sorry or repentant for what he/she is doing. This is practicing sin. This doesn't mean this person is beyond repentance because if such a person eventually comes to his/her senses and is truly repentant and asks forgiveness will be forgiven.

 

[Charlie24]

This all sounds good of course, but are you one of the Christian saints succeeding in it? Or, are you still doing any works of the flesh? I've left off worrying about teachings that do not result in the action spoken of. if someone is actually doing it, then I want to take time to ask more about it.

"If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority." (John 7.17)

The authority of teaching I am looking for is someone who is doing it and succeeding at it. This is not a challenge on anyone's Christian salvation and life. I just want to talk to someone who is a Christian saint not doing the works of the flesh. So far, no one is saying so.

I know several Christians who have no known sin in their lives. That is not sinless perfection, it's the end of practicing the same sins over and over. This is what John was referring to, but many have taken it the wrong way and believe John is speaking of sinless perfection.

Personally, it took many years for me, the last practicing sin to overcome for me was smoking cigarettes and cigars. I won that victory just recently, maybe a year ago.

I can say that I no longer practice sin! Far from perfect in character and nature, but no more continuation of repeating the same sins over and over.

What I gave you in my previous post is what I was taught to overcome practicing sin. Some will reach this goal sooner than others, for me, the hardest thing I have ever done in my life was to lay down the smoking, I struggled many years knowing I had to let it go.

As I said, I became sick of it, sick of living with sin, I finally said it's got to go, that's when the Holy Spirit took care of it, The moment I began working with Him instead of against Him in my own will.

It's all about total surrender! He will take care of the rest at that point.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

if someone is really freed from doing them, then I want to hear from them how that is.

I’m the one you want to hear from (sorry if this sounds boastful - it’s not intentional).

Do these things:

Read the Bible frequently and completely.

Meditate on the word of God when not reading it.

Keep your thoughts on God as often as possible.

Be ready to suffer wrong doing at any moment so as to not fall into the trap of the flesh.

Quench the flesh immediately once you recognize it’s guiding your actions.

Rebuke unclean thoughts with the word God (reading and meditation will facilitate this).

Remember how Christ suffered for your salvation and suddenly all the problems you face will become trivial.