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Discussion in 'Christian Spirituality Forum' started by Willie T, Mar 14, 2019 at 3:30 PM.

  1. Willie T

    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    What do you bring out of tough times and discouraging trials?

    We all go through them. Periods of our lives when almost everything looks bleak. And since no one has yet attended our funerals, it’s obvious we made our way through those past ordeals. We somehow got to the other side.

    But are we any better off for having done so? Did we just survive or did we walk away with more than we had when the trials began?

    Recently there have been a number of posts placed in this forum expressing some concern and even despair at today’s economic situation. And this has made me wonder if many of us might not be just accepting the supposed “fact” that these have been lost months (and years), and are simply holding on to see better days.

    We often read the cute little sentiment. “If life gives you lemons, make lemonade.” But do we believe that’s a real and valid point of view? Do we live for today, or do we passively only really hope for that better tomorrow?

    What’s your take on it? Do you feel this past rough stretch has been a true opportunity for you? Or do you think it has been an emotional and financial setback that will take you months, even years, to recover from?

    I have a friend who knocks down a whopping salary for speaking from the pulpit. I think it is currently $1 a year. But to me, he’s worth a million. All this has put me in mind of a simple little story he placed online…..

    The Parable of the Dark Pit

    There are discoveries of God’s grace you can only make in situations of weakness. Here‘s a simple parable to make the point:

    You are told that you will live in a pit for one week, and then you will never return there. During that time in the pit, you are to use your waking hours to make a life and a future.

    You are lowered into the pit. It is dark, damp, and it smells. You feel around; the walls are slick, yet sharp, like glass. You cut your finger. The floor is littered with sharp, jagged stones. You have to kick them out of the way just to find a place to lie down. You think, “
    What can I do here to make a life and a future?”

    After you settle down, depression comes over you in this darkness. The one thing that sustains your hope is that you know you will only be in the pit for a week, and that you will never be there again. You count the hours, and you count the days. Finally the day of release comes, and you are lifted from the pit. Your ordeal is over. You will never have to go through that again. There’s a spring in your step as you leave the pit, but as you look back, you stop and stare at a sign.


    You can hardly believe what you are seeing. You have just spent a whole week in a diamond mine!

    There are some gems of God’s grace that can only be mined in the darkness. God has hidden them in the places we would rather not have been. If you are going through this experience of weakness, determine that you will not come out empty-handed.
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    Any of Larry’s little story sound familiar to you? Sure made me think about where I allow my head to go sometimes.
     
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    Ezra Active Member

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    wether we beleive that or not sometimes that is what we do..

    Genesis 37:23-24 King James Version (KJV)
    23 And it came to pass, when Joseph was come unto his brethren, that they stript Joseph out of his coat, his coat of many colours that was on him;

    24 And they took him, and cast him into a pit: and the pit was empty," there was no water in it." i dont think anyone likes hardships , or even is preparead when they hit. you betta life ia tough . sometimes we dont even know why. i have heard it said farther along we will understand why .. hmmm hey i dont understand why mom her sister and mother all had alzhimers another sister died from colon cancer . sometimes we just ahve to do as pslam 121 instructs
    121 I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.

    2 My help cometh from the Lord, which made heaven and earth.

    in reality we just do the best we can. somehow some way we get through it till the next storm passes us by my 2 cents
     
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    Nancy Well-Known Member

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    Good post Willie, and cool story about the diamond pit. Still wouldn't want to be in that for a week though, lol. We have short memories, especially when it comes to how God delivers us from seemingly impossible situations time and time again. If we have enough to eat, have cloths, roof over our head then, we are blessed over most people. The NT is chocked full of scripture telling us to fear not, be anxious for nothing, perfect love casts out fear... We as Christians KNOW these things to be true yet, we still have times of weakness. Easy to say/know what He say's if one is not in the midst of the storm!
    Thanks for the reminder :)
     
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    Nancy Well-Known Member

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    I suppose it is all part of the "race" and growing our faith. Not to mention, we were certainly promised trials of all kinds.
    I am sorry to hear about your losses..
     
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    its ok this was spread out over the years my gma then mom years spaced then my 2 aunts . see when it comes to health issues and death .this all goes back to the garden of eden. the end results has God said .wages of sin =death spiritual and physical. we just do our best that we can
     
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    People should read Acres of Diamonds by Russel H. Conwell after this. One can buy it or read it online.
     
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    I am not sure if this is what you mean Willie, but I have come to totally believe in Romans 8:28. I have hope that God will use whatever I go thorough I will look back and see that it was used in a positive way. It's only when I started to look back after the trials that I began to grasp that truth deep within me. I guess I am in a kind of pit at the moment, have been for quite awhile - and I do wonder what God is doing, right now I just feel as useless as a broken umbrella in the rain on a spiritual level. Endeavouring to work out if it is ' me ' kicking against things, or God allowing things to be felt within to bring about release and growth.
    On another level all you hear is bad news, all the time - and it's difficult not to let that get through , but I believe God gave us revelations so that we would know the truth that it doesn't mean God is not in control, and we do have a future hope and victory.
    Rita
     
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    Great reminder @Willie T love it!

    It too me back 14 yrs to a surgery I had to have.
    The Lord gave me a clear word that I would sail through the surgery and He would be with me.

    The surgery went well...perfect....until. 36 hours late a complication set in. I was stuck in the hospital in pain and miserable ...I was “in the pit” it was dark and lonely.
    I was so mad at God. He’d let me down .
    Even when I finally went home 10 long days later...I was mad and not speak8bg with the Lord.
    (I’m sure He watch me smiling, and waiting)
    6 weeks later I was so slow in recovery , and still grumpy. One day when alone in the house ..I said to the Lord “okay, let’s talk”.
    What happened...did I hear you wrong, or what?

    Clear as a bell He showed me when He had “been there “ with me...too long to tell...but one way He came was at 3am in the night, when a sweet Nurse (some of them were horrid) finally listened to me, where the doctor and other nurses had told me it was my imagination ...she did a certain test and found the problem...reported it etc...and from there I improved.
    But, God showed me so many people who had been there at the right time, with the right words, or wisdom as this nurse.
    Needless to say, I had been blind...I was looking for the Presence of God Himself....yet He came to me in people and circumstances, which I missed as “being Him”.... I had blinkers on and missed Him!

    Obviously I repented of my blindness and cried .
    I had MISSED the wonderful blessing of being in the dark Pit.
    I SHOULD HAVE seen Him in the situation, but I totally missed it.
    :(
    I have tried to learn from that pit....to always look for God behind every “negative” situation ...for sure as eggs are eggs...He is always there.

    There is a verse somewhere...Psalms I think , which says God hides Himself in thick darkness.

    He says “Light and darkness are both alike to thee” ...
    We, must come to the place where light and darkness are both alike to us. ( we live beyond, where He dwells)

    Written in the dark, on my iPad, please forgive spelling and foolish autofills...
     
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    Romans 8.28 is a great verse - in a great chapter!
     
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    Everything in life be it highs or lows, is related to our relationship with God. God is always sovereign...Romans 8:28 has been my favourite verse forever, since I first read it not long after being saved. God's entire focus is on getting us into glory, and that means enhancing in every way possible, our relationship with Him. Every storm we go through...every fire we endure...is an opportunity for us to cast aside our doubts and our fears, and simply trust Him that whatever happens, all will be well...even if we die. The essence of true worship is trusting God when all the evidence of our senses screams that we have no reason to do so...except to believe that God will always love us, because that is what He does. Period.
    Scripture likens us to trees. See Psalm 1, and other places. Lots of trees makes a forest. If a fire sweeps through the forest, what does it do? Destroy the trees? NO! Except when fires are put out too soon. Let the fire do its work, and it takes care of the forest. It destroys the rubbish underneath the trees. The deadwood...the dangerous hanging branches that are dried up and ready to fall on the tender shoots that are soon to grow underneath. Fire cleanses the forest from the dangerous build up of detritus that if allowed to grow, does indeed endanger the whole forest.
    God is a consuming fire. Allow Him Lordship over your life ...allow Him the freedom to take you places and place you in situations where you have no way out but to trust Him...and watch Him answer prayer, provide solutions to insurmountable problems, and experience a growth in faith and love beyond your imagination.
    EDIT....and let Him remove the sin, the old die-hard habits that inhibit growth and endanger yourself and your family.
     
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    As a young believer I always assumed God's blessings were pleasurable, that's what made them a blessing. But over time I learned that some of the most severe trials are the greatest blessings.
     
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    I downloaded the lecture . It's quite thought provoking at times, but some of it I am not sure about, only half way through it X
    Rita
     
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    Right. Just take out of it what is true and helpful.
     
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    I finished it, and it ended up on a point I agree with, and in context to the rest of the lecture. I think my only concern was on his emphasis to get rich ( but this was not in line with prosperity Christianity) I agree with the emphasis on being who you are and using what and where you live. Also I could not work out his views on contentment, on the one hand he encouraged his hearers to not just accept what they had, on the other hand he was against those who wanted more , when what they had and needed was right under their noses. Regardless it was worth reading and has left me challenged and inspired- never a bad thing.
    Thank you for mentioning it xx
     
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    Peter has somewhat to say about this:

    1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:


    4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
    4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
    4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy [are ye]; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
     
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    I'm so blessed to have found this place. This thread brought me to tears. Thank you all for just being here. Blessings
     
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    And we are very glad that you found this place ...good to have you with us. :)
     
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    You learn much from scripture. But you learn from trials things scripture only will sympathize with after the fact. One thing you gain is character that God builds in us through circumstances we can only read about in scripture.
     
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    Rough times are part of life.

    After serious car accident I was on my back 17 months. I couldn't do my job anymore when I was able to stand up again. Moved to another state where it was up-and-down when I finally had to retire.

    Did politics for a while but finally had to totally retire.

    Then the issues from the accident began returning and I am living with them today.

    I think about what would've happened to me just 100 years. I would have died from my injuries.

    I realize there are other people had it far worse for far longer than I.

    I know it won't last forever and one day soon one way or another that call me home.

    Making this life are focus is a terrible mistake. Except the realities of today looking forward to the blessings of tomorrow.

    Doesn't mean I can't grumble about today.

    So my best advice is to be realistic and stay focused on what counts.
     
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