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What Does IT Mean To Be IN Error?

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by Ztheberean, Oct 20, 2007.

  1. Ztheberean

    Ztheberean New Member

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    It seems that the leaders today are causing believers to be in error, and God will not have mercy upon these teachers, and those who are led by them because of their evil “self moved” doings. (Is 9:16-17) This is why we are commanded to stop hearing instruction that causes us to be in error against the words of truth (Prov 19:27) How can we know if we are hearing error? We need to be noble Bereans who receive what is said, and go and search the scriptures daily, to see if the things that are being said are so. (Acts 17:11) Those who are in error have the consequences of women ruling over their men, and their children are oppressive. (Is 3:12) How can we know if we are in error? We have gone to find our own teacher rather than God Himself sending a faithful minister unto us. (Jer 23:32, Rom 10:15, 1Thess 3:2, 1Cor 4:17, 2Tim 4:12, Phil 2:25, Col 1:7, Eph 6:21, 2Cor 8:22, Acts 3:22-23, 8:30-31) Jesus tells us that we will be in error if we don’t know (meaning;- understand) the scriptures, AND the power of God (Matt 22:29, Mk 12:24) Not only this, but God says He will destroy His people who lack this knowledge. (Hos 4:6) Why is this? Because those who are in error are unlearned so they end up twisting the scriptures unto their own destruction, because they went to find their own teacher (2Pet 3:16, 2:1) Are we willing to ASK of God to send us a faithful minister so that it can be said that we have received Jesus? (Math 10:40, Lk 9:48, Jn 13:20) Then Jesus can open our understanding, so that we can understand the scriptures (Lk 24:45); And He does this through a meek, and patient teacher that He sends unto us, to instruct us because we are opposing ourselves (or our better interests) that God might grant repentance in such a way that we can acknowledge the truth, and be recovered from doing the devil’s will (self-moved rather than God moved) (2Tim 2:24-26); We should know that “our will” is evil (Jm 4:13, 16, Rom 7:18); It is these self-willed believers who are presumptuous, because they are walking in the lusts of their flesh (2Pet 2:10); This is why we need to ASK God to crucify us with Christ, so that it would no longer be “US” living, (for self) but CHRIST in us, (so that we can be for others) and the life we now live is by the faith OF the Son of God who gave Himself for us so that God could crucify us, so that we would not frustrate the grace of God. (Gal 2:20-21) Have you asked God to take you through this process? Strong’s Hebrew # 1875 means to ask for something that has been well studied out, so that we can make valid claims, or inquiries, because we have done a very careful investigation. Not ten in one thousand believers are within this asking/seeking, so that they can live. (Amos 5:3-4) Therefore there is no real seeking through informed asking, unless we are first keep silent, (meaning learn) so that we can be into what is good, (God moved) and not into what is evil, (self-moved) so that we might live. It’s all about learning how to come from (OUR) faith (which is spoken of throughout the world, see Rom 1:8) to (CHRIST’S) faith (which is spoken of by FEW, see Matt 9:37, Lk 10:2, 1 Cor 4:15)(Rom 1:17); Without which we cannot be justified by Christ, and we are found to be “sinners”, who are in error, making Christ the minister of sin, which God has FORBIDDEN Him to be. (Gal 2:17) This is why we need to ASK God to create us in Christ, so that we could do the good which God has ordained us to do before the beginning, which is His gift to us, so that we could not boast in ourselves, (doing) but in God (Eph 2:10-8). Our hearts will always be in error if we do not learn these ways of God, and we cannot enter into His rest. (Heb 3:10-11) Do not stay in error my beloved brethren (Jm 1:16); Let us ask in faith for this wisdom, so that we would not be double minded, and unstable in all our ways (Jm 1:5-8). I am strongly warning you to not let ANY man spoil you through philosophy, and vain deceit, which are after the traditions of the men of this world, and NOT after Christ (Col 2:8); It is these men who deceive others by their enticing words (2:4); We are not to hear the enticing words of man’s wisdom, (which causes us to stay in error) but the demonstration of the Spirit, and of power which the Holy Spirit teaches, which compares spiritual (scripture) with spiritual ( see Is 28:9-11); This is so that our faith would stand in the power of God, NOT in the wisdom of men. (1Cor 2:4,13,5) Those who have the mind of Christ are able to judge all spiritual things, because the Holy Spirit has taught them to compare scripture with scripture (1Cor 2:16-13) Have you asked of God to help you to hear these things? Then you can be blessed to not only hear but keep them. (Math 13:16, Lk 11:28) This is why those who hear the word of God but are not able to do what it says, are deceived. (Jm 1:22) A willingness to be here (meaning learn) is acceptable to God (2Cor 8:12); So we need to ask God to give us a willingness to do these things, and then He can cause us to perform these good things for His good pleasure. (Phil 2:13) God shows His love for erring brethren, by sending a faithful minister to convert them, so that their soul can be saved from death, and a multitude of their sins can be hidden, this is why we need to be converted from “sin” AND “error”. (Col 1:7, 4:7, 1Thess 3:2, Rom 10:15, 1Cor 4:17, Acts 3:22-23, 8:30-31, Eph 6:21, 2Cor 8:18,22, Jm 5:19-20) Those who are in error, are those who call Jesus Lord, and do many wonderful works in His name but cannot do “His will”, and this is why Jesus will say to them, “Depart from me, I never knew you, you worker of iniquity.”(Math 7:21-23) God blesses us by sending Jesus to turn us from our iniquities. (Acts 3:26) This is why we need to LEARN HOW to “mortify”our old sinful man so that we can “put on” the new man which is no longer in error, because it has been renewed in this knowledge. (Col 3:5-14) Those that ARE Christ’s HAVE (already) crucified their flesh with it’s lusts and affections.(Gal 5:24) This is the truth that will make us free.(from sin and error)(Jn 8:32) Grace will be with those who can love our Lord Jesus within this sincerity. Amen (Eph 6:24)
     
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    I think by scrutinizing ourselves the Truth would come out."If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire." (1 Corinthians 3:14-15)
     
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    Error "The concrete meaning of the Latin word error means "wandering" or "straying"The Old Testament is full of errors by the descendants of Abraham. They also had leaders that took the wrong paths for personal favoritism or gain and did wander from the way God gave them and thereby led the people to follow false gods. In some cases God himself caused them to commit errors so that his will would prevail.Today is no different than it was in the days of the Old Testament. We still have Pharisees that want to dictate to everyone how to act how to think and they make something simple as complicated as possible. God knows what is in your heart and that is all that matters. A simple act of belief is more than enough. If one truly has a belief in God nothing else is required. For it will be impossible to follow false gods once the belief is established. I always have a red flag pop up when I hear or read where you have to do this or you have to do that and you got to believe this or that. The word that comes to mind is Poppycock. God knows what is in our hearts and because of that he knows if we are good people or otherwise. A simple act of belief is all that is required to overcome any errors our leaders may be causing.The bible says all men are liars so hold tight to your beliefs because in the end that is all you have.God bless
    Hello,Thank you for responding. You Said:A simple act of belief is all that is required to overcome any errors our leaders may be causing.My Response:Anyone can believe anything, but if we don't have enough scriptures that back up our beliefs, then our belief is a lie, and we are decieved. Even the demons believe. God establishes those that have "understanding" (Prov 9:10) Without having godly knowledge (which we can back up using the scriptures) God's so-called people will be destroyed. (Hos 4:6)Blessings in His truth.
     
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    Error "The concrete meaning of the Latin word error means "wandering" or "straying"The Old Testament is full of errors by the descendants of Abraham. They also had leaders that took the wrong paths for personal favoritism or gain and did wander from the way God gave them and thereby led the people to follow false gods. In some cases God himself caused them to commit errors so that his will would prevail.Today is no different than it was in the days of the Old Testament. We still have Pharisees that want to dictate to everyone how to act how to think and they make something simple as complicated as possible. God knows what is in your heart and that is all that matters. A simple act of belief is more than enough. If one truly has a belief in God nothing else is required. For it will be impossible to follow false gods once the belief is established.I always have a red flag pop up when I hear or read where you have to do this or you have to do that and you got to believe this or that. The word that comes to mind is Poppycock.God knows what is in our hearts and because of that he knows if we are good people or otherwise. A simple act of belief is all that is required to overcome any errors our leaders may be causing.The bible says all men are liars so hold tight to your beliefs because in the end that is all you have.God bless
    Hello,Thank you for responding.You Said:A simple act of belief is all that is required to overcome any errors our leaders may be causing.My Response:Anyone can believe anything, but if we don't have enough scriptures that back up our beliefs, then our belief is a lie, and we are decieved. Even the demons believe. God establishes those that have "understanding" (Prov 9:10) Without having godly knowledge (which we can back up using the scriptures) God's so-called people will be destroyed. (Hos 4:6)Blessings in His truth.I agree for the most part of what you said Ztheberean. But remember the thief on the cross, that confess Yahshua as Lord (Luke 23:42) after he rebuked the other malefactor, saying "Dost not thou fear God seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss." (Luke 23:40-41) yet he knows that He is the Son of God, yet likely has no knowledge and Yahshua said "To day thou shalt be in paradise with me" (Luke 23:43)I'm going to say something here. If I say that witchcraft is not of God, and yet can not prove it in the scriptures. (although I can prove it in the scriptures) Is my believe a lie? No, cause my faith is weak.Love much, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    I have a different view on how to obtain a belief that their is an all powerful God. Scriptures is not where I find my belief that God does exist nor do I use scriptures for understanding the things I cannot see. I find the belief that God exists by simply looking around me at the things that are made. Their can be no other explanation. Science cannot explain it. History cannot explain it.Somewhere in the bible this subject is covered that one will gain understanding and come to know God and his secrets by the things that are made. I think you are in error. One can only gain the understanding you seek through the things that are made not from scripture as you have stated.God bless
    I agree with you too 6742705, We should look at reality for what it is. Can we see male and female people? Yes! Do people replenish? Yes! (Genesis 1:26-28) Can we see the sun and the moon? Yes! (Genesis 1:18) Can we see fowls in the air (birds), whales, fish etc after their kind? Yes! (Genesis 1:20-22) Can we see dogs, cats, cows etc after their kind? Yes! (Genesis 1:24-25)Did we (today's people) see God in the flesh body in His time? No! (John 1:14, I Timothy 3:16) Can we see spirits in our flesh eyes? No!, Can believers discern spirits to see if they are of God or not? Yes! (I John 4:1, Matthew 7:16-20) Did we see Yahshua heal many? No!In conclusion we need both eyes to see (spiritually) to see and scriptures (faith) to trust in His Words.Much love, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
     
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