Illuminati is the name that refers to several groups, both real and fictitious. Most commonly it refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment era secret society founded in the late eighteenth century. However, in modern times it refers to a purported conspiratorial organization which acts as a shadowy hand behind the throne, allegedly controlling world affairs through present day governments and corporations, usually as a modern incarnation or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati. In this context, Illuminati is often used in reference to a New World Order (NWO). Many conspiracy theorists believe the Illuminati, The People of The Light, or illuminated ones, are the masterminds behind events that will lead to the establishment of such a New World Order.In rarer cases, the Illuminati refers to an elite set of enlightened individuals who may not cooperate but are uniquely empowered by their enlightenment, much like the intelligentsia classes of today are empowered by their education and intelligence. These are people who have become illuminated and have achieved a higher mystical understanding of the universe. Many secret societies and mystical traditions are concerned with this kind of illumination or enlightenment, such as the Rosicrucian Societies, the Martinists and the original Bavarian Illuminati.For all I know is that there are 13 families. They're all the richest bankers in the world. One of them owns a large government in Israel, it's a blasphemy. Is there anything in the Bible that mentions it?
What does the Bible say about the Illuminati?
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Illuminati is the name that refers to several groups, both real and fictitious. Most commonly it refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment era secret society founded in the late eighteenth century. However, in modern times it refers to a purported conspiratorial organization which acts as a shadowy hand behind the throne, allegedly controlling world affairs through present day governments and corporations, usually as a modern incarnation or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati. In this context, Illuminati is often used in reference to a New World Order (NWO). Many conspiracy theorists believe the Illuminati, The People of The Light, or illuminated ones, are the masterminds behind events that will lead to the establishment of such a New World Order.In rarer cases, the Illuminati refers to an elite set of enlightened individuals who may not cooperate but are uniquely empowered by their enlightenment, much like the intelligentsia classes of today are empowered by their education and intelligence. These are people who have become illuminated and have achieved a higher mystical understanding of the universe. Many secret societies and mystical traditions are concerned with this kind of illumination or enlightenment, such as the Rosicrucian Societies, the Martinists and the original Bavarian Illuminati.For all I know is that there are 13 families. They're all the richest bankers in the world. One of them owns a large government in Israel, it's a blasphemy. Is there anything in the Bible that mentions it?
Jesuits, Bilderberg group, Illuminati, New World Order etc are all pretty much the same thing with the same goal.Here is a link to a series of lectures by professor Walter Veith explaining how to decode and understand prophecy in the Bible. Also he expounds on how contemporary world events are fitting into the End Times prophecies.I am not a scholar but these videos seem to be accurate. I would check this out with Kriss though as she is probably the best person to test the veracity of this series of lectures.Link to videos: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread....ht=walter+veith
Illuminati is the name that refers to several groups, both real and fictitious. Most commonly it refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment era secret society founded in the late eighteenth century. However, in modern times it refers to a purported conspiratorial organization which acts as a shadowy hand behind the throne, allegedly controlling world affairs through present day governments and corporations, usually as a modern incarnation or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati. In this context, Illuminati is often used in reference to a New World Order (NWO). Many conspiracy theorists believe the Illuminati, The People of The Light, or illuminated ones, are the masterminds behind events that will lead to the establishment of such a New World Order.In rarer cases, the Illuminati refers to an elite set of enlightened individuals who may not cooperate but are uniquely empowered by their enlightenment, much like the intelligentsia classes of today are empowered by their education and intelligence. These are people who have become illuminated and have achieved a higher mystical understanding of the universe. Many secret societies and mystical traditions are concerned with this kind of illumination or enlightenment, such as the Rosicrucian Societies, the Martinists and the original Bavarian Illuminati.For all I know is that there are 13 families. They're all the richest bankers in the world. One of them owns a large government in Israel, it's a blasphemy. Is there anything in the Bible that mentions it?
Jesuits, Bilderberg group, Illuminati, New World Order etc are all pretty much the same thing with the same goal.Here is a link to a series of lectures by professor Walter Veith explaining how to decode and understand prophecy in the Bible. Also he expounds on how contemporary world events are fitting into the End Times prophecies.I am not a scholar but these videos seem to be accurate. I would check this out with Kriss though as she is probably the best person to test the veracity of this series of lectures.Link to videos: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread....ht=walter+veith
I have only watched the first two the but I found them very interesting the first was an accurate portrayal of Daniel the second I think all you who think we are to hard on those of you who think one world religion is OK need to watch the second video maybe you will see why Denver will not allow it on this site. It is also enlightening to the one world order these are the beast systems of RevI give my report on my opinion of others as I watch them
Wakka I found this pretty scary article about a girl who says she was rasied in the Illumanti If you detect the devil's hand in current events, you may be closer to the truth than you think. A woman who was raised in the Illuminati cult describes a powerful secret organization comprising one per cent of the U.S. population that has infiltrated all social institutions and is covertly preparing a military takeover. Her revelations cast the "war on terror" and "homeland security" in their true light. "Svali" is the pseudonym of the woman, age 45, who was a mind "programmer" for the cult until 1996. She was the sixth head trainer in the San Diego branch and had 30 trainers reporting to her. She has risked her life to warn humanity of the Illuminati's covert power and agenda. She describes a sadistic Satanic cult led by the richest and most powerful people in the world. It is largely homosexual and pedophile, practises animal sacrifice and ritual murder. It works "hand in glove" with the CIA and Freemasonry. It is Aryan supremacist (German is spoken at the top) but welcomes Jewish apostates. It controls the world traffic in drugs, guns, pornography and prostitution. It may be the hand behind political assassination, and "terrorism," including Sept. 11, the Maryland sniper and the Bali bomb blast. It has infiltrated government on a local, state and national level; education and financial institutions; religion and the media. Based in Europe, it plans a "world order" that will make its earlier attempts, Nazism and Communism, look like picnics. One other detail: these people are not happy. Svali's courageous testimony explains why our children are no longer taught civic values, why they are being habituated to homosexuality and violence, and why our "culture" is descending into nihilism and sexual depravity. It raises the possibility that George W. Bush and his Administration are Illuminists and much of the world "elite" is engaged in a mind-boggling criminal conspiracy. In March 2000, Svali began writing a monthly column for survivors of Illuminati ritual abuse at Suite101.com. In December 2000, H.J. Springer, the editor of CentrExNews,com contacted Svali and conducted an extended 18-part interview with her by email, which is reproduced on line and is copyrighted. "I am convinced she is the real McCoy," Springer wrote to me. "I have personally relayed numerous email messages to her from other members -- ritually abused, brainwashed, raped, sexually abused people & you name it -- some of them confirming to me her story. So I have absolutely no doubt that Svali has been part of the Illuminati since childhood." I also trust Svali's testimony because it confirms my intuition and intensive research. Everything fits: from the dead hand that seems to suppress humanity to why Clinton gave secret technology to the Chinese, to persistent reports of concentration camps in the US. It explains why people I know behave in a conspiratorial way. I thank Svali for giving me a frightening but incredible key to understanding the world. A friend urged me to beware of a hoax and offered to help confirm Svali's personal story. I accepted. I invite you to read her entire testimony and make up your own mind. Read "Part One" to "Part 18" first, starting at the middle of the list and working up. With their permission, here are some highlights of Svali's correspondence with CentrExnews.com's H.J. Springer. I have also included material from her article "Are the Illuminati Taking Over the World?" Pervasive Presence Svali: "The Illuminati are present in every major metropolitan centre in the United States. The Illuminati believe in controlling an area through its: banks and financial institutions (guess how many sit on banking boards? You'd be surprised) Local government: guess how many get elected to local city councils? Law: children are encouraged to go to law school and medical school. Media: others are encouraged to go to journalism school, and members help fund local papers. Beliefs Svali: "The Illuminati is a group that practices a form of faith known as "enlightenment". It is Luciferian, and they teach their followers that their roots go back to the ancient mystery religions of Babylon, Egypt, and Celtic druidism. They have taken what they consider the "best" of each, the foundational practices, and joined them together into a strongly occult discipline. Many groups at the local level worship ancient deities such as "El", "Baal", and "Ashtarte", as well as "Isis and Osiris" and "Set".... I do know that these people teach and practice evil." Weishaupt Svali: "Weishaupt did not create the Illuminati, they chose him as a figurehead and told him what to write about. The financiers, dating back to the bankers during the times of the Templar Knights who financed the early kings in Europe, created the Illuminati. Weishaupt was their "go fer", who did their bidding." Military Takeover Svali: "Briefly, each region of the United States has "nerve centres" or power bases for regional activity. The United States has been divided up into seven major geographical regions. Each region has localities within it that contain military compounds and bases that are hidden in remote, isolated areas or on large private estates. These bases are used intermittently to teach and train generational Illuminati in military techniques, hand- to- hand combat, crowd control, use of arms, and all aspects of military warfare. Why? Because the Illuminists believe that our government, as we know it, as well as the governments of most nations around the world, are destined to collapse. These will be planned collapses, and they will occur in the following ways: The Illuminati has planned first for a financial collapse that will make the great depression look like a picnic. This will occur through the manoeuvring of the great banks and financial institutions of the world, through stock manipulation, and interest rate changes. Most people will be indebted to the federal government through bank and credit card debt, etc. The governments will recall all debts immediately, but most people will be unable to pay and will be bankrupted. This will cause generalized financial panic, which will occur simultaneously worldwide, as the Illuminists firmly believe in controlling people through finances. Doesn't sound pleasant, does it? I don't know the exact time frame for all of this, and wouldn't want to even guess. The good news is that if a person is debt-free, owes nothing to the government or credit debt, and can live self sufficiently, they may do better than others. I would invest in gold, not stocks, if I had the income. Gold will once again be the world standard, and dollars will be pretty useless (remember after the Civil War? Our money will be worth about what confederate money was after the collapse). Next there will be a military takeover, region by region, as the government declares a state of emergency and martial law. People will have panicked, there will be an anarchical state in most localities, and the government will justify its move as being necessary to control panicked citizens. The cult trained military leaders and people under their direction will use arms as well as crowd control techniques to implement this new state of affairs. ...Military bases will be set up, in each locality (actually, they are already here, but are covert). In the next few years, they will go above ground and be revealed. Each locality will have regional bases and leaders to which they are accountable. The hierarchy will closely reflect the current covert hierarchy. About five years ago, when I left the Illuminati, approximately 1% of the US population was either part of the Illuminati, sympathetic to it, or a victim of Mind Control (and therefore considered useable). While this may not sound like many, imagine 1% of the population highly trained in the use of armaments, crowd control, psychological and behavioral techniques, armed with weapons and linked to paramilitary groups." Leadership Svali: "The national council [consists of] influential bankers with OLD money such as: The Rockefellers, the Mellon family, the Carnegie family, the Rothschild family etc. I know I shouldn't name names, but I will. The "Supreme World Council" is already set up as a prototype of the one that will rule when the NWO comes into being. It meets on a regular basis to discuss finances, direction, policy, etc. and to problem-solve difficulties that come up. Once again, these leaders are heads in the financial world, OLD banking money. The Rothschild family in England, and in France, have ruling seats. A descendant of the Hapsburg dynasty has a generational seat. A descendant of the ruling families of England and France have a generational seat. The Rockefeller family in the US holds a seat. This is one reason that the Illuminati have been pretty "untouchable" over the years. The ruling members are very, very, very wealthy and powerful. I hope this information is helpful. How do I know this? I was on a local leadership council (a head trainer), but I talked to those on regional. Also, every Illuminati child is taught who their "leaders" are, and told to take an oath of allegiance to them and the "New Order to come"." Royalty Svali: "The Illuminati leadership state that they are descended from royal bloodlines, as well as unbroken occult heritage. See, there were two definitions of "royalty" used. Open royalty that is currently seen now, and "hidden royalty" of royal lineage and extreme occult power. Sometimes the two were concurrent, such as with the Prince of Wales. I never thought of which country/line held the most power, since I was just a peon busily doing my job. But my understanding was: The Hanoverian / Hapsburg descendants rule in Germany over the Bruderheist. They are considered one of the strongest lines for occult as well. The British line is just under them, with the royal family. Definitely, they rule the UK branch under the Rothschilds in the occult realm, even though parliament rules the country openly. In France, again, descendants of the royal families are also in power in the occult realm, but the French Rothschilds hold the reigns over all of them." Rank of the US Svali: "The U.S. is considered lower, and younger, than the European branches. ...Germany, France, and the UK form a triumvirate that rules in the European cult. The USSR is considered important, and has the strongest military groups. The USSR has been promised fourth position in the New World Order, BEFORE the role the U.S. would have, because the USSR has been more helpful and cooperative over the years with furthering the agenda. The descendants of the former ruling families there are also involved in the occult leadership, along with the newer ones. There is no Marxism in the cult. China will be ranked after the USSR, then the U.S. But a lot of the current U.S. leadership will be in Europe when the change occurs, and many have homes there. They will be "changing nationalities" overnight, as it were. This is the little that I do remember. Wish I had been a better student of this stuff, but I was too busy trying to stay alive when I was in it. Russia will be the military base and powerhouse of the group, since their military commanders (Illuminist) are considered the best in the world, and very, very disciplined. China, because of its roots in oriental occultism, and its large population, will also be considered a higher power than the US. But again, the real power will reside in Europe, according to what I was taught when part of the group. The United Nations Svali: "The UN was created early in this century in order to help overcome one of the biggest barriers to a one-world government ...That barrier is the one of nationalism, or pride in one's country. This is why it was NOT a popular concept when first introduced, it took years of country bashing in the media and the destruction of any sense of national pride by a (not so subtle) media campaign over the years. The UN is a preparation, but it is not the real power in the world, and will be relatively unimportant when the NWO comes into being. The real councils will then step forward. But as a means of getting the general public to accept the idea of a "global community" and the "one world community" the UN is a stepping stone in their working towards the NWO." Israel Svali: "The conflict in the Middle East is only to the advantage of the Illuminists. They HATE Israel, and hope one day to see it destroyed, and are biding their time. One of the olive branches offered by the UN when it takes over is that they will prevent war in the Middle East, and this will be greeted with joy by many. At the same time, the Illuminati covertly supply guns and funds to BOTH sides to keep the conflict fuelled. They are very duplicitous people. They used to funnel guns through the USSR to Palestine, for example, in the name of promoting "friendliness" between the USSR and this state and other Arab nations. Then, the US Illuminists would help funnel guns to Israel, for the same reason. These people love the game of chess, and see warfare between nations as creating an order out of chaos. The USSR is going to get stronger again. It has too strong a military both openly, and covertly (ALL Illuminati military trainers have visited Russia to learn from them) to sit quietly and quiesciently to the side. In the NWO, they will be stronger than us." Is the Illuminati a JEWISH conspiracy? Svali: "Absolutely not. In fact, Hitler and his people (especially Himmler and Goebbels) were top Illuminists. The Illuminati are racist in the extreme, and as a child, I was forced to play "concentration camp" both on my farm in Virginia, and also in Europe in isolated camps in Germany. The Jews historically fought against the occult (see Deuteronomy and the Old Testament for how God through the Jewish people tried to cleanse the land of the occult groups that were operating there, such as those who worshipped Baal, Ashtarte, and other Canaanite and Babylonian gods. (from an email to Henry Makow) Yes, there are some very powerful Jewish people in this group. For instance, the Rothschild family literally runs the financial empire in Europe (and indirectly the States), and are a well-known Jewish family. I have also known people whose parents were Jewish diamond merchants in the group, and at every level. But to rise to power in the Illuminati, a Jewish person at night would be forced to renounce their faith, and to give their first allegiance to Lucifer and the beliefs of the Illuminati. In return for this betrayal, they believe that power (financial) and rewards come; and in one sense they do, but at too high a price (losing their eternal soul). The nazi/concentration camp mentality is very strong, though, and I was told that Hitler, Himmler, Goebel, and others were high-ranking German members of the group (Himmler was higher than the other two), and Mengele their paid puppet as well, who later worked as a high trainer of the American branch between his periods of hiding in South America. They honestly believed that they were acting as agents of their 'gods' to exterminate the Jewish race, and I am so, so sorry that this group has enacted so many horrors on the earth (and so, so glad that I left it). I hope this helps you. I have always wondered this, though, why some of the highest ranking financial families in the group (baron Rothschild of France is one of the 13 European lords, or "kings" that run the group in Europe, and sits on the World Council) are Jewish, yet the group espouses hatred of their own race." ARE THEY RACIST? Svali: "Lots of Illuminists have Fourth Reich programming inside. The Illuminati are racist, and have a very "Aryan" outlook. They believe strongly in the rule of the "pure" and "intelligent" by their definitions, and in their ceremonies, there will occasionally be minorities killed in ceremonies. They are trying to breed a "genetically superior" race to rule, with their children and descendants. They are also followers of Plato's Republic, and believe that they will be the ones to usher in this "Utopian" rule with the NWO in their opinion. In their Utopia, the intelligentsia will rule, and the sheep like masses will follow their leaders (that is their view of the world; that the occult leaders are "enlightened' and intelligent, while the average person is a "sheep" to be led by the nose)." FREEMASONRY Svali: "The Freemasons and the Illuminati are hand in glove. I don't care if this steps on any toes, it's a fact. The Masonic temple at Alexandria, Virginia (the city itself was named after Alexandria, Egypt, and is a hotbed of Illuminati activity) is a centre in the Washington, DC area for Illuminati scholarship and teaching. I was taken there at intervals for testing, to step up a level, for scholarship, and high ceremonies. The leaders in this Masonic group were also Illuminists. This has been true of every large city I have lived in. The top Freemasons were also top Illuminists. My maternal grandparents were both high ranking Masons in the city of Pittsburgh, Pa. (president of the Eastern Star and 33rd degree Mason) and they both were also leaders in the Illuminati in that area. Are all Masons Illuminati? No, especially at the lower levels, I believe they know nothing of the practices that occur in the middle of the night in the larger temples. Many are probably fine businessmen and Christians. But I have never known a 32 degree or above who wasn't Illuminati, and the group helped create Freemasonry as a "front" for their activities." CIA FBI are all infiltrated. So are Mormons etc. Svali: "Many of the administrators and directors at the FBI are also Illuminists. The CIA helped bring over German scientists after WWII. Many of these were also Illuminati leaders in their own country, and they were welcomed with open arms by the U.S. group. They also funnelled all information they were learning to the Illuminati. The Mormons affiliated years ago in a meeting with Illuminati leadership in the 1950s. The same with the Jehovah's Witnesses." The Cold War Svali:"Russia was never really a threat to us. Marxism was funded by the Illuminati, and espoused as a counterbalance to capitalism. The Illluminati believe strongly in balancing opposing forces, in the pull between opposites. They see history as a complex chess game, and they will fund one side, then another, while ultimately out of the chaos and division ..., they are laughing because they are ultimately beyond political parties. A top western financier will secretly meet with an eastern or Russian "adversary" during those years, and have a good laugh at how the "sheep" were being deluded. I am sharing here what I was taught, and also observed. They are truly an international group, and the group's agenda supersedes any nationalistic feelings. There is also a lot of trading back and forth of members in these groups. A Russian trainer might come to the US for awhile, complete a job, then go back, or vice-versa." Assassin Training Svali: "Here is how it is done (how it was done to me): [1] When the child is 2 years old, place them in a metal cage with electrodes attached. Shock the child severely. [2] Take the child out, and place a kitten in its hands. Tell the child to wring the kitten's neck. The child will cry and refuse. [3] Put the child into the cage, and shock them until they are dazed and cannot scream any more. [4] Take the child out, and tell them again to wring the kitten's neck. This time the child will shake all over, cry, but do it, afraid of the torture. The child will then go into the corner and vomit afterwards, while the adult praises them for "doing such a good job". This is the first step. The animals get bigger over time, as the child gets older. They will be forced to kill an infant at some point, either a set up or VR, or in reality. They will be taught by age 9 to put together a gun, to aim, and fire on target and on command. They will then practice on realistic manikins. They will then practice on animals. They will then practice on "expendables" or in VR. They will be highly praised if they do well, and tortured if they don't comply. The older the child or teen, the more advanced the training. By age 15, most children will also be forced to do hand to hand combat in front of spectators (high people who come to watch the "games" much as the ancient gladiators performed). These matches are rarely done to the death, usually until one child goes down. They use every type of weapon imaginable, and learn to fight for their lives. If a child loses a fight, they are heavily punished by their trainer, who loses "face". If they win, they are again praised for being "strong' and adept with weapons. By the time they are 21, they are well trained combat/killing machines with command codes to kill and they have been tested over and over to prove that they WILL obey on command. This is how children in the German Illuminati are brought up, I went through it myself." Trust in Family Svali: "They tell their children as they are torturing them, "I am doing this because I love you." To them, the greatest love is to make a child strong, and fit to lead or to move higher in the group, by whatever means it takes. If a leader sees a child, and wants it as a prostitute, the loving parents will give it away, happy that their child will rise in status. Also, again, they view betrayal as the greatest good. They will do set up after set up to teach their children to never openly trust others. I remember hundreds of agonizing set ups and betrayals, and hearing when I was betrayed or wounded, "And such is the heart of man." Those doing this to me thought they were teaching me something of value, that would help me. And because of the vicious and political nature of the group, in one sense they were right; the naive get stepped on and wounded. I have known parents who tried to spare their children some of this out of love, but often they were overruled by other family members, who viewed these parents as "weak" and "unfit" to teach their child." Morale Svali: "Most of them are wounded, abused victims, who don't realize that it is possible to leave the group. There is a lot of discontent in the ranks, and there would be a mass exodus if the members believed it were really possible to get out (and live). Many of the trainers I knew (I know, wicked, torturing pedophiles) were NOT happy with what they did. They would whisper quietly, or give a look, to show that they disagreed with what they had to do. They would resignedly do their jobs, in the hope of advancement. Know what one of the biggest carrots offered to those who advance up in the group is? That you don't have to hurt people anymore, and that you can't be abused (it's true: only those higher than you in the group can abuse you, so everyone wants to move up, where the pool of candidates becomes smaller). Of course, people can choose to abuse anyone beneath them, and that motivates. The Illuminati are a very political and back stabbing group, a "dog eat dog" mentality; everyone wants to move up. These are NOT nice people and they use and manipulate others viciously. They cut their eyeteeth on status, power, and money. They never openly disclose their agenda, or their cult activities, as often they are amnesic to them. These are well-respected, "Christian" appearing business leaders in the community. The image in the community is all-important to an Illuminist; they will do anything to maintain a normal, respected facade, and DESPISE exposure. .... None of the Illuminists that I have known, had unkind, or evil appearing, persona in their daytime lives, although some were dysfunctional, such as being alcoholics. The dissociation that drives the Illuminists is their greatest cover ... Many, if not most, of these people are completely unaware of the great evil that they are involved in, during the night." TV Also, remember those studies that stated that "TV violence doesn't affect children's behaviour" years ago? Guess who funded them? They are a bunch of bullcrud. What a person watches DOES influence them, and this is well known by the behaviourists in the group. In fact, they know that TV is a tool that they purposely use to influence "the masses". It cannot create a total personality change in the average citizen, but it can desensitize us increasingly to violence, pornography and the occult, and influence the perceptions of young children. Rock Music I believe that Brittany Spears, Eminem, and others are being used by them to sing lyrics they like (ever notice that he wears a Neo-Nazi look and sings hate lyrics? This is NOT by chance). In fact, many of the top pop singers come from an internship with the "Mickey Mouse club" (yep, good old Walt the Illuminist's Empire) and I believe they are offered stardom in exchange for allegiance or mind control. How many lyrics advocate suicide, violence, despair, or New Age spirituality in pop/rock today? Or just get a copy of the words and read (but be aware that many are possibly triggering to survivors of mind control). Illuminati Weaknesses Svali: "1. Their arrogance (I think I mentioned this before) is their weakness. These people think they are untouchable, and this could make them careless. 2. If by a miracle, enough people took this SERIOUSLY and started organizing in some way to stop the Illuminati take over, with prayer and God's guidance, perhaps they could be stopped. I hope so, with all of my heart. 3. Stopping pornography and child prostitution and drug smuggling and gun running would take out a huge chunk of their profits. Maybe they would slow down. But honestly, stopping the above would be as difficult as stopping the group." Public's Denial Mechanism Svali: The evidence is there, but in my opinion, the average person does NOT want to know, and even when confronted with it, will look the other way. The Franklin case is a point. How much evidence has come out? Or the MK-Ultra documents that have been declassified, shown as real, and people ignore it. Okay, I'll get off my soapbox. But I believe that the media that downplays ritual abuse is feeding into a deep need in the average person to NOT know the reality. In fact, how can a person face the fact of great evil in mankind, unless they have either a strong faith in God, or are faced with insurmountable evidence? We as human beings want to believe the BEST of our race, not the worst, IMHO. I really don't believe people will do anything about the Illuminati even if they know. Sorry for the cynicism, but it is based on a lifetime of experience. The Illuminists don't care who prints this stuff, or if they are "exposed" because they are counting on the majority not believing it, having done a pretty good job with a media blitz campaign (seen any articles in Newsweek or Time lately that addresses this other than as a laughable conspiracy theory? Guess who owns Time-Warner?). I have heard them laughing about this very thing in leadership meetings five years ago, and I doubt their attitude has changed much since then. If people DID believe this, if action could be taken, then I would be very surprised and quite happy." "Svali" is a registered nurse and freelance writer living in Texas.http://www.henrymakow.com/000683.html
*****The Illuminati, as a "title" is "Smoke and Mirrors," like all of the occult is. The occult, is the occult, is the occult. So yes the Illuminati is allways here.And It's various "Groups," is just a much fancier version of "Three Card Monty," but with more than just three players/orginizations on the filed.****However, the conspiricays are real, because the enemy needs "Bussy Work"to help keep them "occupied" within their chosen "rejection of Christ," hoping theywill not repent, while each individual is still alive. Once the individual members arein the grave the devil has one less "potential repenter" to worry about. So while theseconspiricies try very hard to crush us out of existence, only God knows His timming, andtherefore as I said, what they do winds up being "Bussy Work in the Meantime."****By The way on what Kriss wrote, Marx was a Satanist used by the Illuminati. there is a good Christian book exposing Marx andHis satanic poems, acrostics, etc..,And there was an issue of American Legion Magazine I once saw covering the same subject, because of Super computers the U.S. wouldShip to the Soviet Union in Grain Shipments, and How the U.S. went to the Soviet Union, to show them the best Technical way To buildone of their Large truck factories, so they could more efficiently compete with our interest. They would turn out Volume, where we went For Quality, and Yet We had to help them compete against Us, supposedly because the Cold War was good buisness for A lot of Our Warindustry and other interests.God Bless.Mike.
Although the details of this are interesting behind the scenes look at how Satan works What does God say. God has foretold us all things. He has told us thatevil will use the four hidden dynasties of Government,education,finacial,and religionto set up a one world system. That this one world system will almost come into being.But it will suffer a deadly wound. Then Antichrist will come and heal it and promise peace and safety and the whole world will follow after him.Except for those Christians that stay strong in his word that know these things will come to pass as we were told. So do get to side tracked by these things of the world for remember when Antichrist and the world are declaring Peace and safety The Christian is to lift up their head and know that their redemption draweth neigh the Lord will be coming in the clouds at the 7th trump to judge all the world. We need to keep our eyes straight ahead on the prize and promise of Christ and be in the world but not of it
Good thread WakkaNot much I can contribute further to this just yet.One thing I will say is: Has anyone noticed that a lot of threads on this forum are eventually coming back to this thread topic time and again?It always comes back to a one world government/anti-Christ theme. Wether it be economics, comets, Christian values being eroded, understanding revelations, politics, prophecy etc. Are we driving it this way because of our interests or are "all roads going to Rome" so to speak?On a daily basis I keep seeing links to this subject even in the most mundane of things.I am not mad (as far as a I know
) Is it just a case of there being no smoke (or mirrors lol) without fire.p.s. Has anyone managed to watch more of the Walter Veith videos I linked to earlier in this thread?
) Is it just a case of there being no smoke (or mirrors lol) without fire.p.s. Has anyone managed to watch more of the Walter Veith videos I linked to earlier in this thread?The link stopped working for some reason for me WiseI do not think it a coincedense we keep coming back to this I think it is a sign of the times we live in I think God allows an awareness/warning of things happening around useven if we are not quite sure what they are or how it all fits together.God has foretold us of a One World system and the Evil that brings it about. I think we are just starting to see it come about.
This one works currently - we all have to be aware of this -
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4106574677079572938#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4106574677079572938#
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The Bible does not speak at all of secret spiritual societies, except the spiritual organization of the enemy satan.
It is forbidden to traffic in the knowledge of the cults you mention.
On the other hand, there have been a number of secret societies which were political or economic in nature.
For example, it has been suggested that the Skull & Bones society included former president George W. Bush as a member during his college days. It begs the question though to suppose that any group of elitists would allow a bunch of nineteen year old boys to have authority to do anything except arrange a weekend kegger. There is ample evidence that Mr. Bush did indeed participate in a number of those events.
Zionists have often been accused of operating various international banking and terrorist operations. Other than directed efforts at the establishment of the nation of Israel, there has been no evidence of any sort of international conspiracy by the Jews. In point of fact, history has recorded a number of other national and ethnic groups attempting world domination. In recent history, the subjugation of millions under the authority of a single man or group has been attempted by France, the British Empire, NAZI Germany, Imperial Japan, International Communism, the American Empire and the emerging international influence of Islam. Nationally based groups have been involved in every case but one.
The one group which was predicted in the Bible to achieve the status of global kingdom prior to the second coming of Christ was established in 1945. The image of history forseen by the prophet Daniel predicted that the last Kingdom of man would be a confederation of independent states mixed with military force.
And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. And whereas thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men; but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron doth not mingle with clay. And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Daniel 2:42-44
The United Nations is the only global entity that matches Daniel's description and there is nothing secret about that.
Books and conjecture about the Illuminanti abound as do conspiracy theories about economic dominion. For example, the most recent suppositions have an anglo-American group called the Pilgrim Society at the helm of our current financial woes. They are supposed to have some sort of alliance with the European based Illuminatis.
The notion that 'somebody out there' is guiding our destiny is a common one, but often misdirected. The Bible says that God is in charge and that He rules the destiny of men and nations.
Since the fall, men have refused to acknowledge the Almighty in human affairs. Instead we hope that shadowy men with good intentions will direct our paths. In some cases, and for short periods of time they may do so, but eventually they are always pulled down by the hand of God.
With regard to the end times and the influence of the anti-Christ in the affairs of men, it is possible that international banking may indeed play a part in the ultimate attack upon Israel. If true and if these forces are at work today, then we may actually see the second coming of Christ in a very short time.
Two period works in 18th century Europe exist to establish the REAL history of the Bavarian Illuminati, of which its head Adam Weishaupt was a Jewish doctor of law at Ingolstadt University. (So much for the theory that no Jews are involved). One work is called 'Proofs Of A Conspiracy' (1798) by the English naturalist and British Mason John Robison. The other work was by a Catholic priest the Abbe Barruel, of the same era (neither one knew each other).
The Bavarian Illuminati was uncovered for what it was by documents found on one of its dead agents in Bavaria. The order then was exposed to the rest of the governments and monarchs of Europe. Some of the royal family had been duped into its membership, just as some Christian leaders of the period, but it was by no means the majority of either. The documents revealed its hidden purposes, which was political mostly, to destroy the existing governments in Europe through subversion, to destroy Christianity, to creat chaos in society through subversive literature and the use of 'reading societies', and overthrow the royal monarchies of Europe.
Weishaupt made the statement that if the order were discovered, it would then go times deeper into secrecy thereafter. The order's documents revealed high members writing letters to each other using famous Greek and Latin names as code for themselves. This is something modern mystical fraternities still do.
The order's structure and politics showed collectivist ideals, much that aligns with later Marxist-Communist theory. That such ideas existed within the Bavarian Illuminati prior to the late 1800's, it very well could have been the origin of Marxist philosophy and later Communism in Russia.
I don't recall mention of sexual deviency among its members within those works, except one case when Spartacus (Weishaupt) got a girl in trouble, (a relative), and they got her to do an abortion. What the members practised in their private lives was not focused upon.
By reading those two period works, the reader will be able to decide whether or not the conspiracy has continued to today's times.
WHAT GOD'S WORD REVEALS ABOUT IT:
God's Word reveals a hidden conspiracy against God and man. The origin of pagan worship and immoral practices, especially using religion, began in ancient Sumer-Babylon. Sargon I has a connection with it. That progressed among the Canaanite nations, which is why God told Israel to literally destroy all those Canaanite nations. In Joshua's day a group of Canaanites hid their identity and crept in among Israel. Those of the nations of Canaan that Israel was not able to destroy dwelt among them (Judges 2 & 3). They became bondservants to Israel (Joshua 9; 1 Kings 9).
Later among Israel, in Solomon's days, we find those Canaanites still dwelling among Israel as bondservants (1 Kings 9). Per 1 Chronicles 2, the families of the scribes were Kenite peoples that came of the nations of Canaanites. That shows the pagan influence and creeping in among the tribe of Judah especially, as those scribes later took the name Jew claiming to be of Judah. Also in Ezra, Nehemiah, and Chronicles, the Nethinims were foreigners given to temple service, bondservants in temple duties. This is why our Lord Jesus would warn that the scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
In Revelation 2 & 3, our Lord Jesus revealed a group of Jews who say they are Jews, but do lie, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan.
This is why one will find many Jews mixed up with the ideas of Marxist-Lennist philosophy, and within conspiracies like the Illuminati and the many mystical secret societies.
The problem is though, like our Lord Jesus revealed in the parable of the tares of the field, it's impossible to distinguish the good wheat (good Judah, or good Jews) from the tares (synagogue of Satan). But let both grow, and at the end of this world, the angels will harvest both and burn the tares in fire, but deliever the good wheat to the barn.
The Bavarian Illuminati was uncovered for what it was by documents found on one of its dead agents in Bavaria. The order then was exposed to the rest of the governments and monarchs of Europe. Some of the royal family had been duped into its membership, just as some Christian leaders of the period, but it was by no means the majority of either. The documents revealed its hidden purposes, which was political mostly, to destroy the existing governments in Europe through subversion, to destroy Christianity, to creat chaos in society through subversive literature and the use of 'reading societies', and overthrow the royal monarchies of Europe.
Weishaupt made the statement that if the order were discovered, it would then go times deeper into secrecy thereafter. The order's documents revealed high members writing letters to each other using famous Greek and Latin names as code for themselves. This is something modern mystical fraternities still do.
The order's structure and politics showed collectivist ideals, much that aligns with later Marxist-Communist theory. That such ideas existed within the Bavarian Illuminati prior to the late 1800's, it very well could have been the origin of Marxist philosophy and later Communism in Russia.
I don't recall mention of sexual deviency among its members within those works, except one case when Spartacus (Weishaupt) got a girl in trouble, (a relative), and they got her to do an abortion. What the members practised in their private lives was not focused upon.
By reading those two period works, the reader will be able to decide whether or not the conspiracy has continued to today's times.
WHAT GOD'S WORD REVEALS ABOUT IT:
God's Word reveals a hidden conspiracy against God and man. The origin of pagan worship and immoral practices, especially using religion, began in ancient Sumer-Babylon. Sargon I has a connection with it. That progressed among the Canaanite nations, which is why God told Israel to literally destroy all those Canaanite nations. In Joshua's day a group of Canaanites hid their identity and crept in among Israel. Those of the nations of Canaan that Israel was not able to destroy dwelt among them (Judges 2 & 3). They became bondservants to Israel (Joshua 9; 1 Kings 9).
Later among Israel, in Solomon's days, we find those Canaanites still dwelling among Israel as bondservants (1 Kings 9). Per 1 Chronicles 2, the families of the scribes were Kenite peoples that came of the nations of Canaanites. That shows the pagan influence and creeping in among the tribe of Judah especially, as those scribes later took the name Jew claiming to be of Judah. Also in Ezra, Nehemiah, and Chronicles, the Nethinims were foreigners given to temple service, bondservants in temple duties. This is why our Lord Jesus would warn that the scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
In Revelation 2 & 3, our Lord Jesus revealed a group of Jews who say they are Jews, but do lie, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan.
This is why one will find many Jews mixed up with the ideas of Marxist-Lennist philosophy, and within conspiracies like the Illuminati and the many mystical secret societies.
The problem is though, like our Lord Jesus revealed in the parable of the tares of the field, it's impossible to distinguish the good wheat (good Judah, or good Jews) from the tares (synagogue of Satan). But let both grow, and at the end of this world, the angels will harvest both and burn the tares in fire, but deliever the good wheat to the barn.
You're wrong in the 1st sentence and the reason why you are wrong and do not see it is because of the 2nd sentence.
Isa. 5:20
Woe to them who call light darkness and darkness light.
Who was this speaking of ? the mystery religions have always been around. Today, you can search and find Oprah Winfrey having a little "book club" on afternoon TV preaching what this very verse is warning of ...
http://www.oprah.com...-to-be-Awakened
I just happened to look over at the TV when I was visiting my mom, heard Oprah clarify for the audience something this author had said ... something along the lines of, "so, some people say god and some people just call it the light ?"
This thinking is what's behind the environmental movement as well .... pagans saving the earth.
Here's what one of the world's most powerful men decided to air as children's programming .... make that a children's PROGRAMMING.
With no knowledge of these people's beliefs and way of speaking you may sit down and watch Oprah push this garbage without alarm bells going off.
edit: to add that Captain Planet came out in 1990 .... in other words, the generation this was aimed at is the very group of young politically conscious and "socially aware" people who are now making or influencing many of today's decisions.
If they were thinking 20 years into the future on this, then there's nothing at all to put past them ... were they also thinking 200 years into the future ? 2,000 ?
Very dangerous and naive to assume thoughts and events labeled fit for public consumption today were not planned out far in the past.
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