What exactly is and when is the rapture? Part 2

[Marty fox]

Part 2

Back to Revelation

Revelation 11:15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.”

The voices say that Jesus will reign for ever and ever, not for just a 1000 years on the earth.

The 24 elders say in Revelation 11:18 say (at the seventh trumpet)

The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small—and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”

The time has come for judging the dead and rewarding your servants and for destroying the earth. The judging the dead happens in Revelation 20:12 after Satan is defeated and cast into hell which is after the 1000 years.

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

The destroying of the ones who destroyed the earth is in Revelation 20:15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 22:12-13 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Jesus says here that when he comes he will reward us and give to each person according to what they have done. Jesus does this on the judgment day in Revelation chapter 20. Jesus also says that he is the beginning and the end, Jesus made the earth in the beginning and will come at the end. I believe that the rapture is at the end of Satan’s release right before he is cast into hell. The 1000 years is not what most people think. The bible does not say that the 1000 years is a time of peace or on the earth because Satan is bound from doing any evil. There is no mention Jesus being on the earth during the 1000 years in the book of Revelation. I believe that we are in the 1000 years now, and possibly in the time of Satan’ release. The 1000 year reign and the 1000 year binding start, and end, at different times in Revelation 20. The binding starts in verse 2 and ends in verse 7. The reign starts in verse 4 and ends in verse 11 & 12 verse 5 tells us this. The 1000 year reign ends after Satan is released defeated and cast into hell. Satan is only bound by deceiving the nations because of the message of the gospel through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Summary

I believe that this study shows us that the rapture is at the end of Satan’s little season at the 7th trumpet right before Jesus destroys the earth. So lets spread the word now because there is no chance after the rapture as some people believe there is. They believe that the rapture will be the proof that Jesus is real and convince there unsaved friends who Jesus is.

Remember these verses Jesus said in Luke 16:21-27 about the dead rich man. “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ 30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ 31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if
someone rises from the dead.’”

 

[GISMYS_7]

Born-again believers that are expecting to hear Jesus shout,"come up here" the catching up (rapture) anytime any day. PTL Don't be left behind!!

 

[Timtofly]

Satan's little season is at the end of 1000 years after Christ has reigned from Jerusalem. Those living in the Millennium do not have Adam's flesh and blood, nor sin natures.

 

[marks]

Jesus says here that when he comes he will reward us and give to each person according to what they have done. Jesus does this on the judgment day in Revelation chapter 20.

Revelation 20:11-12 KJV
11) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Those in Christ are not dead. We are alive in Him. These people, in this passage, are the dead, therefore, this is not the judgment of Christians.

Much love!

 

[Marty fox]

Revelation 20:11-12 KJV
11) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Those in Christ are not dead. We are alive in Him. These people, in this passage, are the dead, therefore, this is not the judgment of Christians.

Much love!

But it mentions the book that life

 

[marks]

But it mentions the book that life

Yes it does, to exclude all whose names do not appear.

Again, these are the dead.

Much love!

 

[Keraz]

Revelation 20:11-12 KJV
11) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Those in Christ are not dead. We are alive in Him. These people, in this passage, are the dead, therefore, this is not the judgment of Christians.

Much love!

The GWT Judgment is for EVERYONE who has ever lived. Including those who are alive at that time. Then the Books are opened.
1 Corinthians 15:51-54 says how some people will never die, they will be changed into immortality, as their names will be found in the Book of Life.
We Christians have the promise of Eternal life, John 3:16, but we still die naturally. Our next conscious moment will be as we stand before God in Judgment

 

[marks]

The GWT Judgment is for EVERYONE who has ever lived. Including those who are alive at that time. Then the Books are opened.
1 Corinthians 15:51-54 says how some people will never die, they will be changed into immortality, as their names will be found in the Book of Life.
We Christians have the promise of Eternal life, John 3:16, but we still die naturally. Our next conscious moment will be as we stand before God in Judgment

I'm simply saying that this passage identifies those who stand there as "the dead", while the Bible does not identify us who are in Christ as dead. Those dead in the terrestrial sense the Bible calls asleep. And Jesus affirmed that those who believe in Him will never die.

There is more than one judgment throne, as it were. This one. And when the nations are gathered when Jesus returns. And us. We don't fit either of these, though I know we will be judged. I will be judged by Him Who sees through my every stray thought.

Much love!

 

[Keraz]

I'm simply saying that this passage identifies those who stand there as "the dead", while the Bible does not identify us who are in Christ as dead. Those dead in the terrestrial sense the Bible calls asleep. And Jesus affirmed that those who believe in Him will never die.

There is more than one judgment throne, as it were. This one. And when the nations are gathered when Jesus returns. And us. We don't fit either of these, though I know we will be judged. I will be judged by Him Who sees through my every stray thought.

Much love!

Nations are not individuals. The 'sheep and goat' nation separation happens at Jesus Return. The final Judgment of every person since Adam, happens after the Millennium. Only then is immortality given to those worthy.

 

[Jay Ross]

And Jesus affirmed that those who believe in Him will never die.

Mark you are right, that those who "believe in Him will never experience the second death."

In Ezekiel 34:17 we find this written: -

Ezek. 34:17: - "'As for you, my sheep, this is what the sovereign Lord says: Look, I am about to judge between one sheep and another, between rams and goats.​

The NET Bible®​

I would paraphrase the Hebrew text this manner: - "I will separate one flock from another and then judge between the rams and the he goats."

This verse suggests that there are two judgements or separations during the GWTR judgements. The initial separation is between those who call Jesus Lord, Lord and those who do not. The second separation is of those who call Jesus, Lord Lord, of the sheep from the goats as told in the Parable found in Matt. 25:31-46.

Dan. 12:2 tells us: -

Daniel 12:2: -

2 And many/all of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,

Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.​

NKJV​

There is more than one judgment throne, as it were. This one. And when the nations are gathered when Jesus returns. And us. We don't fit either of these, though I know we will be judged. I will be judged by Him Who sees through my every stray thought.

Your rational as expressed in the above quote, suggest that your understanding is based on your fear of being refined during the time of the great tribulation which will occur at the end of the Millennium Age and your private interpretation of when the gathering of the kings of the earth to be judged at Armageddon. This is a near future event and is not as you suggest a distant future event that will occur at the end of the Millennium Age.

Shalom

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Two judgements.
1. The Great Tribulation period is a judgement on probably up to 2/3 of the planet. The first ressurrection occurs during this time includes all who have been faithful to God including Old Testament saints, Christians who have passed and Christians who are alive.
2. After the Millennial Kingdom, the Great White Throne Judgement will be against all unbelievers throughout history who have been captive in Hades. They are resurrected to life only to be judged and cast into the LAKE OF FIRE (DEATH AND HADES are cast into the LAKE OF FIRE) AND DESTROYED - along with Satan and his demons.
Those who did not experience the first resurrection and lived faithful Christian, mortal lives through the Millennial Kingdom, will be part of the second resurrection.
Those mortals who were born during this Millennial Kingdom, who at the end, were deceived by Satan and rebelled against God, will suffer Judgement.

** On a side note, Matt. 25:31-46 is a passage directly speaking to Jewish Christians and the verses 37 -46 verses are referring to the "Righteous Jews", who received the Word of God, believed in God, but rejected Jesus and Christians. Like the Pharisees, they prophesied and cast out demons in the name of the Lord but did not receive Jesus as their Messiah (I would qualify these as being Jews from the time of Christ till the Great Tribulation)..They were stiff-necked Jews who treated Christians as gentiles, selfish, sticking to their own, separating themselves as if being above everyone else, prideful, not charitable towards Christians, His sheep (rejecting and not feeding them). They are the ones who cry Lord, Lord ... and Jesus says away from Me ... I never knew you (meaning He never had a relationship with them.)

 

[Davy]

Part 2

Back to Revelation

Revelation 11:15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.”

The voices say that Jesus will reign for ever and ever, not for just a 1000 years on the earth.

The 24 elders say in Revelation 11:18 say (at the seventh trumpet)

The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small—and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”

The time has come for judging the dead and rewarding your servants and for destroying the earth. The judging the dead happens in Revelation 20:12 after Satan is defeated and cast into hell which is after the 1000 years.

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

The destroying of the ones who destroyed the earth is in Revelation 20:15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 22:12-13 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Jesus says here that when he comes he will reward us and give to each person according to what they have done. Jesus does this on the judgment day in Revelation chapter 20. Jesus also says that he is the beginning and the end, Jesus made the earth in the beginning and will come at the end. I believe that the rapture is at the end of Satan’s release right before he is cast into hell. The 1000 years is not what most people think. The bible does not say that the 1000 years is a time of peace or on the earth because Satan is bound from doing any evil. There is no mention Jesus being on the earth during the 1000 years in the book of Revelation. I believe that we are in the 1000 years now, and possibly in the time of Satan’ release. The 1000 year reign and the 1000 year binding start, and end, at different times in Revelation 20. The binding starts in verse 2 and ends in verse 7. The reign starts in verse 4 and ends in verse 11 & 12 verse 5 tells us this. The 1000 year reign ends after Satan is released defeated and cast into hell. Satan is only bound by deceiving the nations because of the message of the gospel through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Summary

I believe that this study shows us that the rapture is at the end of Satan’s little season at the 7th trumpet right before Jesus destroys the earth. So lets spread the word now because there is no chance after the rapture as some people believe there is. They believe that the rapture will be the proof that Jesus is real and convince there unsaved friends who Jesus is.

Remember these verses Jesus said in Luke 16:21-27 about the dead rich man. “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ 30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ 31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if
someone rises from the dead.’”

That belief is called Amillennialism. It became a doctrine in the 2nd century A.D. The 1st century Church fathers held to a Pre-Millennial view of Christ's return and then millennium reign, and then new heavens and a new earth.
Amillennialism ideas are more associated with the 2nd century Gnostics who tried to combine Christian doctrine with Neo-Platonism.

If you had studied The Old Testament Books like you're supposed to, your view on that might have been different.

In Ezekiel 44, which is still future showing a future temple in Jerusalem then called God's House, only those of the sons of Zadok (The Just) will be allowed to approach Christ and serve Him at His table. They represent Christ's elect who will reign with Him in the future. All others will stand in judgment during that period, even the Levites who went astray when Israel went astray. It does not say how long that period is like Rev.20 does. But it clearly marks events that have never... happened yet on this earth, like the return of God's River flowing out of the sanctuary there in the holy land, with the Tree of Life manifested on either side of that River. That is shown in Ezekiel 47 existing with... that temple. That is clearly pointing to the time of Christ's future reign with a "rod of iron".

Even in Revelation 3:9, when Jesus told those of the Church of Philadelphia that He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come worship at their feet, that shows Christ's future Millennial reign over the unsaved, which is what the "thousand years" of Rev.20 is about.

Then there's the Zechariah 14 Scripture, which I have never... heard preached in Church, which is sad. It's sad because most Churches are bypassing an obvious Scripture about the day of Christ's coming with His saints to the area of Jerusalem to do battle, and then reign over the nations. It even reveals those who came up against Jerusalem that are left being made... to come up to Jerusalem and worship The King from year to year, and keep the feast of tabernacles! And those nations who refuse, there will be no rain upon their lands! All that is for the future AFTER Christ's return, and it shows His return there on the "day of the Lord".

Then that "day of the Lord" phrase, which even Apostles Paul and Peter both made clear is the day of Christ's return, well... the Old Testament Books of God's prophets gives a WHOLE LOT of info about the events on that 'day', and... right after that day. So how hard is it to study these things already written in God's Word, that simply require the Bible student to read their OLD TESTAMENT BOOKS TOO?!$^!???