what God réally said in prophets (and christianity don't know)

[forever]

...allright guys
first a thanks to all the MODS
and a kind greeting to all of you who read ;
look please - I'm very aware that there are many crazy ideas of loons on the web ,
but I assure you that I'm not one of them - and I hope you'll agree at a point .

second .. - I'm not of any specific 'denomination', but just christian for that matter :
I subscribe completely the sacrifice Christ made
and vieuw it as something so big that I still fail to wrap my mind around it
[and you'll see what I mean when you'll place it in the larger picture] ;
I have absolutely not the intent of Trolling (any of-) you ;
but can only tell what I've learned in the past years , okay

sorry for those disclaimers grin but then at least you know what to expect

the main theme is
that christianity has never understood what God spoke through the prophets

... and a number of those themes are (=and spoken of by Christ , as well) :

- Adam did not die after the tree of good & evil
- eden-paradise was 'in the other reality' , so , not on this earth ,
- the Noah event was the relocation of our souls from eden to this earth
- not God made this earth [that's why Revelation]
- not God made our present body [idem]
- God started our history upon this earth agáin :
adam and eve were represented by Abraham and Sarah
- Jacob represented 'the new situation as our souls upon this earth'
- the exodus out of Egypt
was a foreshadowing of 'the return to Eden' - soon ;
- God gave his Law at sinai , but the people could not keep those ,

- therefore Christ suggested (in prophets)
that He himself go to earth , to release our imprisoned souls
- after his sacrifice , Christ returned and was restored to former glory
- therefore He will be king [in eden] over all the souls he saved ,
now
... a very very important theme (in prophets and parables)
is "that when souls will understand what God said in prophets ,
he will act again - and revelation will start" ,

and that is important because from that moment
the "covenant of Christ will start to cease"
and "the covenant of God will be implemented" ,
the latter is all about "the restored eden-situation [in the other reality]"

... in that sense , Christ's sacrifice was "a conditional one",
in the sense that , ofcourse , he restored the souls to God
(so no heresy here !)
but
there is 1 other major thing which God desires :
not 'that souls will go to heaven' (although in itself thats good etc) ,
but God wants this endless cycle of war and pain upon this cursed earth to end
... by having His eden paradise back.

all of this (and more !) is described in prophets :
many seperate themes belong to this main line , as
- why and what is 'the birthright',
- why and when (!) Revelation will start ,
- where is Mystery-Babylon ,
- who are the two witnesses ,
- how there will be *no* 'general rapture' - and why not ,
- the 144,000 'sons and daughters of God' (see 'witnesses')
- our gorgious , fantastic eden-body , and the soul restored in her ,
- upon earth live 3 groups : adm-souls , belonging to God ;
corrupt adm-souls [=Esau, ancient Egypt, elite, etc] ,
and 'animal-souls' , spirits-souls of animal nature --
yet all three share the same tuype body we have
[the Zephaniah chapters adress this theme]
etc

... however - one thing is very important ,
and is part of many prophet chapters
(also Christ's parable 'the wheat and tares' is about this + what Paul wrote) ,
namely that prophets have been corrupted

... corrupted by our enemy which is called Esau
[same group as the pharisees]
because , quote , he did not want Jacob [=us souls] to know the truth ,
to recognize and investigate our situation ,
simply because he hated [hates] us
prophets explain crystal claer how this curse [upon us] came into being
and also tell
that when prophets are understood , the sealed scroll [Daniel] is opened :
and revelation will begin [=comp. the 'seven seals']

 

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okay , the corruption theme ;
it does *not* mean "that we cannot trust anything what is written (-anymore)" ,
because many substantial themes remained 'untouched' :
the sacrifice of Christ , Adam and Eve , etc ---
and God would not ALLOW those themes to be corrupted , right

... but what satan cóuld do , was "hiding the way out of our situation" [see first post]
so thát eden would never return

Prophets consist out of 90% prophecy about the endtime [=now] and beyond ,
but Esau has , sadly rather smartly, turned their contents into
for us irrelevant shepherd wars in 500 BC
- sorry for the phrasing but it's true

What God did in prophets
is "using topography to explain the situation of the other reality" :
'palestine' is equated with 'eden paradise',
and a host of evil cities are adressed , for example 'Tyre' [in Lebanon] ,
and he is furious upon that city because "she is trading" .
... now old-ishral was never in war with that city !
but God accuses her in trading "in fine garments , souls and gemstones" ,
and you feel already where this is heading :
also Mystery-Babylon 'trades' literally 'in fine garments and souls'[Revelation] :
so
what God says here
is that eden is in the south , Tyre is in the north abóve her ,
and the latter is trading [stolen] goods from the now deserted eden land

..throughout all of prophets ,
any literal situation 'switches' to 'the other reality' :
then Babylon starts to represent 'Mystery-Babylon',
and her king Nebuchadnessar represents "the fallen archangel" as 'king of Babylon' :
oftentimes its shown by clues ,
because Daniel in the oven , in Babylon ,
is a hint to the Ezekiel chapter 'the cooking-pot'
where álso [human-] flesh is boiled' : as the major crime of Mýstery-Babylon

and many many more examples

but
it lóoks like most prophets but talk about shepherd wars ,
and Esau KNEW [because he read the originals ofcourse !] ,
and thankfully he constantly 'lead' the text to supposedly deal with that nonsense

cont

 

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(same theme)

now ,
Esau knéw that whatever the cost , he had to hide and deflect the links from the NT to the OT [-prophets] ,
and the sad thing happened that he found all the copies of the NT as well !
imagine ! the archenemy having OUR texts !
... but this is sadly what happened

Christ's parables about "the wheat and tares" and "the unjust fieldworkers" are about this theme :

in the first one , "while the people slept , the enemy went to sow evil seed in the ground" ,
and context shows that 'the ground' is "Gods words" [per prophets] ,
so the evil seed is 'Esaus corruptions in them',
therefore there isno othher way but to let it all grow up until the harvest

... in the second one a master leaves his vineyard
and evil farmers occupy that vineyard [<< but ofcourse Esau chiseled in that] ;
then a servant is sent to the vineyard
but the farmers beat him up :
read : we try understand Gods words , but Esau won - because he corrupted it too well

Christ ofcourse often refers back to prophets [how could it be else..?]
but Esau made sure that those links became unclear, hazy ,
so that none would go search WHY He did that

.. hence in these days 'many don't understand the angry God of the OT anymore' ,
but that is only due to Esau's unbridled corruptions ! ;
causing that "the mindset of todays christianity", so to speak ,
has no other reference as the concept of the Gospel --
without seeing she is embedded in something much larger ...

 

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(cont)

Christ knéw ofcourse that the scriptures were being corrupted ,
therefore he deeply hated the pharisees [=the group who did that] :
the sin of the pharisees was NOT 'that they were sanctimonious' (is water wet ?)
but their practice of corruptions

... SO much was at stake
[remember that God said 'I will act when my message is understood]
that Christ chose Paul to again write letters about this very same theme ,
and explaining to the churches the history of eden etc
- it isnt a surprise that half of Paul's chapters is virtually lost :
Esau has só hatefully corrupted them , its incredible ;
greek syntax is completely overtaken in some chapters
by our modern type english syntax ,
having been rewritten in endless - rather useless - discourses ,
as if Paul was writing to a bunch of heathens !!
he was NOT !
all those communities had direct 'contact' from their soul with Christ !
(they just werent aware of the themes Paul wrote about)

.. in one parable
Christ refers to the Isaiah chapter "line upon line , precept upon precept"
[Esau probably overlooked that] ,
which is the concept of "cross reading" ;

God usesin many prophets similar type 'catch phrases' connected to a theme ,
and God made sure that those themes were expressed through several [seperate] prophets

'stiching them together' is like a puzzle of which still sections are missing ,
yet bit by bit the subthemes can be identified
and , all together , they form the palet of themes as described in OP

 

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(closing of corruption theme)

... also the reason how this came to be is described in prophets :
God complains often 'how he tried - with the first generation in the promised land ,
but that they just refused to listen and kept on offering upon the heights'
(the 'heights' is old language for "the awareness of this world") ;
and
important to remember is that God himsélf spoke to the people at sinai ,
which they were unable to bear

then he sends his prophets , say 800-500 BC ,
who speak the literal words which he gives to them ,
but agáin the people refuseto listen .

Then says God ,
allright ... - I will not speak at all , anymore, from now on .

But , he says , you [=us souls] will have called a curse upon yourselves ,
because Esau will see that he now has a chance to go corrupt my words
(because the prophets were written down)
and that will have grave consequences for the generation in the endtimes [== we]

he explains how in the endtime "my people will have forgotten my covenant"
(he means 'remembering about the other reality')
because they will be totally encapsulated in this earth's reality ,
not understanding whý Christ came to earth ,
and he calls that attitude "lawless" [='the man of lawlessness' in NT]

and imagine : then comes Paul at the scene ,
and he writes to his friends - in 60 AD - to pray for the last generation -= we ,
that "there may be souls who will finally understánd what God said in prophets",
because "we are 1 family of adm-souls"
but "the desire of God will not happen if théy do not understand" ;
he says "brothers - we know Christ , though we have physical hardship",
"but they will NOT know Christ , but adhere falsehood [about Christ] because the scriptures will be corrupted ,
and on top of that they will have NO physical hardships but (their soul-) love this world"

So important is that in the endtime will be understood God's word ,
or the serious option could be occurring that God would destroy this earth -- WITH the souls in it ,
who would NOT go to heaven anymore
... this is shown in the prophets as , paraphrased ,
God is angry and wants to destroy this earth with fire ,
upon which the prophet pleads : please sir don't - because Jacob is only little"

and equally worse : it would mean that eden would never be restored
and that the evil realm - inclusive Adam - would forever exist parallel alongside God's reality ...

- then comes the reformation ,
[in the 7 churches as the one where is warned "or satan will go sit on his throne" [=this world] ;
and God says "they will wróngly translate my words : because their soul will not listen ,
read : will not realize Esau's corruptions ;
and Jeremiah 3 describes how souls ['today'] will find out THAT the KJV is corrupt ,
and cry because 'they never understood Gods right message before : because our [1600 AD-] fathers failed" ;

- because where God said in old prophets "I will not speak anymore , because they dont listen :
I will wait untill souls GO SEARCH WHAT I HAVE SPOKEN ,
who will wánt to know what I have said ,
who are not satisfied with the religious mindset of my people , in the endtime" ;
read : who feel a deep amiss in the teachings of present christianity ...


so you see
that God is [was!] very very eager about this theme of understanding his word ...

 

[TheslightestID]

What is this "Prophets" you keep referring to?

 

[forever]

What is this "Prophets" you keep referring to?

all Old-Testamant prophets TID

 

[GRACE ambassador]

there are many crazy ideas of loons on the web ,
but I assure you that I'm not one of them

sorry for those disclaimers grin

LOL = Kinda like "TRUST me, I am From The government, AND I am Here To HELP
you!"

 

[TheslightestID]

all Old-Testamant prophets TID

TID?

Still no idea what you mean

 

[Waiting on him]

TID?

Still no idea what you mean

I believe he is Muslim.

 

[forever]

I believe he is Muslim.

no love [and TID , The silghtestID] , i'm absolutely not muslim , i reject that deeply

i indeed mean all the ot-prophets : Isaiah , Jeremiah , Ezekiel , etc ,
and i ll use as many quotes from them as possible while i continue

i hope you agree ,
that most prophets are never being read these days : you know that is true , right
(pastors only cherrypick verses from them to support their own preaching idea with) ;

let me give an example what is the case here , what is the problem with prophets :

"many people stayed indoors , because the infecteous disease has spread all over the country .
The inhabitants started to distrust eachother , keeping distance from anyone who seemed
to have suspicious symptoms , out of fear that the contagion could affect them as well."

Can yóu tell
if this is about [the so-called] 'covid' - or about the 1666 London plague ...?


- you cannot .
why ?
because you do not have enough context .

...same with all the prophets :
everybody thinks prophets are about situations in 500 BC
(with some exeptions pointing to Christ or the endtime) ,
but that. is. not. true.

It is rather useless that God would prophecy something to happen in THAT time :
that is not prophecy ??
(besides , most of what actually happened is already written in Kings and Chronicles)
so God used events - like the fall of Jersusalem 500 BC -
as foreshadowing of the fall of this earth

see please ?

therefore in prophecy
certain terms [=phrases] are used to describe a subject :
"this earth" is expressed by the dual-term
"jerusalem and Judah" ,
often said like
"hear you , you inhabitants of Jerusalem ,
and=as the people who dwell in Judah" ,
followed by a description of what will happen to this EARTH .

see please ?

...same with a term like 'Jacob', or 'house Jacob',
that is : "all adm-souls who eventually will be saved" , especially in endtimes context

...another one : "the Assyrian", or "the king of Assyria" - by which He means 'Adam'
who became a renegade after the garden , and works agáinst God [and us] , since

...one must understand how to read these type terms
or the 90% prophecy in prophets (!) do not make sense ;
it is our fixed - and lazy - mind
which wants to read all the events in prophets were only ment for the 500 BC timeframe ,
as totally irrelevant for us
true ?

 

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and once you understánd how to read prophets ,
your spirit should be alarmed into the Defcon 1 range !!

because phrases like

"Jacob's flesh will wax lean" is about REVELATION ,

the triplet [-appearing in many chapters]
"the sword , the plague and the famine" is about REVELATION

the expression
"I will send the nations against them ,
as the people of olden they did not know about ,
the terrifying ones" ,
are fullblown warrior spirits [=demons] who come against Jacob during REVELATION

the expression
"they will say peace peace but there-will-be-no-peace"
is about Jacob who thinks Christ will rescue them - but He will not : during REVELATION

 

[forever]

..in the 2nd (?) Isaiah chapter
it is about "selfproud women who think they have it all", [compare the Laodicean church]
but "instead of a nice coiffure there will be sores" : because the context is REVELATION

...Jeremiah contains many chapters about this same
(in dutch is even the proverb "to lament like Jeremiah") ,
"therefore eat your bread with fear and drink your water with terror"
because of the worldwide famine during REVELATION

"my tears flow and I cannot stop them" is said by Jeremiah
weeping about his people during REVELATION

..the chapters are painful
where is described how the people "waited for the light : but instead : darkness" ,
when discovering that they are 'left behind' ;
because Christ did NOT save them - and they go insane as why not : during REVELATION

..then they go to the pastors and ministers ,
the latter have hidden themselves from the people ,
but they find the pastors , demanding "why did you not warn us ???"
and they answer :
because i didnt knów. I appereantly didnt knów God.
I should neveer have become a pastor !!"

...then He says - in several prophets -
that those pastors will get a seperate punishment from Him :
because they did NOT WARN His people [=Jacob]
why ?
because they have rejected what I am telling you here - about eden , about His reality

 

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... now please ;
99,9% of today's christians will ('automaticly'!) respond :
'I dont believe that. Christ will save us. I trust in Christ. Christ said : (..fill in..)".

but
He tells in prophets "thát they will say this - and not believe it" .

see , the problem is not "that their souls will not be saved - eventually" : it will ;
but not after most went through that awful time
and have lost their physical body : by whatever means .

... the Jeremiah chapter writes , that after this world went dark ,
and they realize that they were left behind ,
they will ask the sons [=another theme , we'll come to that]
"but then where can we go ..?"
and He says to the sons :
tell them : who is destined for the sword , to the sword ,
who is destined for famine , to [etc]"

..He says - in several prophets :
at that time [=Revelation] I will have NO mercy ,
i will hide my face for them ,
I will NOT listen to their cries" , etc etc

... the reason for this all
is "because they did not care to know Me" ,
read : to know where they came from , to understand why they are upon earth ,
and He says things like
"but none of them asks themselves how come that I don't speak anymore [-to them] ,
because they dó know that I spoke in the past [=read : sinai etc]"

..He says : "I am tired from their robbing of me" ,
and yes he adresses the people in the endtime here ,
because they ask everything for themselves upon earth ,
in the name of his son [=Christ] ,
which He considers as 'blackmailing Him', sic ,
and He says "they are untiring in spreading the mesage through the nations" [=evangelizing]
but they do not know Mé : because their soul is not humble

the 'robbing' is equated with 'prostitution',
because "they say : our King [=Christ] has saved us",
but they ask God for blessings and then give it to their idols
[read : ideas , projects, own health , etc]

...He says ,
"but in the endtime , I will awake the remnant" ,
who will discover what I really said in prophets : to search me and my holy mountain"
[=mt. Tsiun , that is : the other reality]
"but the people will reject the message [of what I really said]" ;
the Jeremiah chapter writes :
"then I thought : I will go to the learned ones - perhaps théy will hear",
but also those reject it ,
writing "the message will fall down upon the land" , read : is not paid attention to .

#addition to first line , what Christ said :
Christ never tells anything else as what God has said [how could it?] ,
therefore His 'wedding parables' etc ,
are about the time just before REVELATION ;
the "gnashing of teeth" is NOT 'hell',
but "the hellish time during Revelation"...
- and the many 'who were too busy' are 'many of todays believers' ..

... His other parable - about the unjust judge -
does not end with some quasi-rethorical question
"but when the son of man returns, will he find belief?" ;
thats Esau's corruption --
the line follows upon 'those who wait' ,
as those who have done a certain thing
(this is the context) :
it says "then the son of man will return ,
when he found the belief" :

namely "souls having understood what God really said in prophets"...
and you see the theme please :
he returns BECAUSE they understood

 

[Waiting on him]

... now please ;
99,9% of today's christians will ('automaticly'!) respond :
'I dont believe that. Christ will save us. I trust in Christ. Christ said : (..fill in..)".

but
He tells in prophets "thát they will say this - and not believe it" .

see , the problem is not "that their souls will not be saved - eventually" : it will ;
but not after most went through that awful time
and have lost their physical body : by whatever means .

... the Jeremiah chapter writes , that after this world went dark ,
and they realize that they were left behind ,
they will ask the sons [=another theme , we'll come to that]
"but then where can we go ..?"
and He says to the sons :
tell them : who is destined for the sword , to the sword ,
who is destined for famine , to [etc]"

..He says - in several prophets :
at that time [=Revelation] I will have NO mercy ,
i will hide my face for them ,
I will NOT listen to their cries" , etc etc

... the reason for this all
is "because they did not care to know Me" ,
read : to know where they came from , to understand why they are upon earth ,
and He says things like
"but none of them asks themselves how come that I don't speak anymore [-to them] ,
because they dó know that I spoke in the past [=read : sinai etc]"

..He says : "I am tired from their robbing of me" ,
and yes he adresses the people in the endtime here ,
because they ask everything for themselves upon earth ,
in the name of his son [=Christ] ,
which He considers as 'blackmailing Him', sic ,
and He says "they are untiring in spreading the mesage through the nations" [=evangelizing]
but they do not know Mé : because their soul is not humble

the 'robbing' is equated with 'prostitution',
because "they say : our King [=Christ] has saved us",
but they ask God for blessings and then give it to their idols
[read : ideas , projects, own health , etc]

...He says ,
"but in the endtime , I will awake the remnant" ,
who will discover what I really said in prophets : to search me and my holy mountain"
[=mt. Tsiun , that is : the other reality]
"but the people will reject the message [of what I really said]" ;
the Jeremiah chapter writes :
"then I thought : I will go to the learned ones - perhaps théy will hear",
but also those reject it ,
writing "the message will fall down upon the land" , read : is not paid attention to .

#addition to first line , what Christ said :
Christ never tells anything else as what God has said [how could it?] ,
therefore His 'wedding parables' etc ,
are about the time just before REVELATION ;
the "gnashing of teeth" is NOT 'hell',
but "the hellish time during Revelation"...
- and the many 'who were too busy' are 'many of todays believers' ..

... His other parable - about the unjust judge -
does not end with some quasi-rethorical question
"but when the son of man returns, will he find belief?" ;
thats Esau's corruption --
the line follows upon 'those who wait' ,
as those who have done a certain thing
(this is the context) :
it says "then the son of man will return ,
when he found the belief" :

namely "souls having understood what God really said in prophets"...
and you see the theme please :
he returns BECAUSE they understood

You have the same problem many on here have, you make yourself the central theme of the scriptures (the my generation theme). Christ is what it is all about, not earthly matters. I had to put three self centered earthly clowns on ignore just yesterday, once I couldn’t listen to their selfishness any longer. Put Christ at the center of all you read and things will begin to become clearer.

 

[TheslightestID]

I believe he is Muslim.

Thanks, that would explain a lot.

 

[Curtis]

- Adam did not die after the tree of good & evil
- eden-paradise was 'in the other reality' , so , not on this earth ,
- the Noah event was the relocation of our souls from eden to this earth
- not God made this earth [that's why Revelation]
- not God made our present body [idem]
- God started our history upon this earth agáin :
adam and eve were represented by Abraham and Sarah
- Jacob represented 'the new situation as our souls upon this earth'
- the exodus out of Egypt
was a foreshadowing of 'the return to Eden' - soon ;
- God gave his Law at sinai , but the people could not keep those ,

- therefore Christ suggested (in prophets)
that He himself go to earth , to release our imprisoned souls
- after his sacrifice , Christ returned and was restored to former glory
- therefore He will be king [in eden] over all the souls he saved ,
now
... a very very important theme (in prophets and parables)
is "that when souls will understand what God said in prophets ,
he will act again - and revelation will start" ,

and that is important because from that moment
the "covenant of Christ will start to cease"
and "the covenant of God will be implemented" ,
the latter is all about "the restored eden-situation [in the other reality]"

... in that sense , Christ's sacrifice was "a conditional one",
in the sense that , ofcourse , he restored the souls to God
(so no heresy here !)

You’ve got to be kidding!

 

[forever]

You have the same problem many on here have, you make yourself the central theme of the scriptures (the my generation theme). Christ is what it is all about, not earthly matters. I had to put three self centered earthly clowns on ignore just yesterday, once I couldn’t listen to their selfishness any longer. Put Christ at the center of all you read and things will begin to become clearer.

.. if you were capable of listening
you would know that I have not said 1 line which has to do with 'myself' ,
- but your soul is not able to hear : because she is not humble .

Your [fallen] mind is protecting your own idea [sic] about Christ .

and you 'll need to change that .. and fast .. or it won't end well - because you've little Time still .

 

[forever]

You’ve got to be kidding!

I'm not.

that it seem strange things , if one reads it for the first time - I agree ;
I had the same questions too .
... but once you let it sink in
and see that nothing is contradictory to Christ and what he did --
but that it is the background of what he did ,
you go 'hmmm'.

 

[Waiting on him]

.. if you were capable of listening
you would know that I have not said 1 line which has to do with 'myself' ,
- but your soul is not able to hear : because she is not humble .

Your [fallen] mind is protecting your own idea [sic] about Christ .

and you 'll need to change that .. and fast .. or it won't end well - because you've little Time still .

Keep in mind that, Jesus didn’t seek to save His life.