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What happens to the SINNING : Christian

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  1. Behold

    Behold Well-Known Member

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    Here is what happens to the Christian who lives in SIN.

    1st) your body is "dead because of sin" and your "Old man is crucified with Christ".

    So, as that is the TRUTH regarding a "new Creation in Christ"...then... what is available for the LAW to condemn, regarding a "sinning Christian"?

    See, your SPIRIT< which is the real you, is "In Christ" "One with God" if you are born again, and not just water baptized thinking you are saved.

    Notice Romans 4:8. Paul teaches that God does not charge SIN against/to the Born again.
    Why?
    He can't, as He has already Judged CHRIST on the CROSS for them all.
    God does not "double judge".... He does not judge a born again believer for sin that Jesus has DIED FOR already, 2000 yrs ago.

    So, when a sincere believer, who is studying the word, and is learning about what it means to become a "new creation in Christ" and they find out that their SIN is gone, and their Judgment due them is on JESUS 2000 yrs ago.... the devil comes to them, through a person, or to their mind and says...>>"They are telling you that you can sin and there is no consequence, because Jesus paid for it all". "so, you can live like the devil"..

    See that? THAT is how the DEVIL works. He is always trying to CONFUSE TRUTH with somethig that sounds true, but is just a very CLEVER LIE.

    And here is the answer to that LIAR...

    ALL SIN is resolved by JESUS's on the Cross. 2 Corinthinians 5:19. """"God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their SIN unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.""""

    So, there go your sins. = Jesus bore them all.......IF you are born again.

    Now, if you decide to live in the flesh, and continually commit works of the flesh.
    Here is what happens.
    Your faith will become DEAD, and "christian stuff" will become completely unimportant to you as you mind slides deeper and deeper into "darkness".
    THEN....
    You will begin to suffer down here.
    The hardships and the hurt will come and come and come and won't stop harming you.
    You'll lose everything, eventually.....including your health, and if you still wont stop and turn back to GOD, even after God corrects you time after time, .. Paul says you will DIE.

    So, there is you EARTHLY consequence for "living in sin, as a Christian"....as that is what is known as "sowing and reaping"., and "your sin will find you out".... and that is a spiritual law that is not taken away by The Cross of Christ, or by "being under Grace".
    However, that is not God judging you for sin, as He has already judged JESUS for them all...on the Cross.
    Be sure you understand that distinction.
     
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    BloodBought 1953 Well-Known Member

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    All true, of course.....

    God scourges and chastises any and all of His Children That get out of Line.....He will not hesitate to use His “ Rod Of Discipline” or “Take one to the ‘Wood -Shed” if they need to learn a lesson....and that “ Wood-Shed” is not a place where games are played! .....I know this because I have been there more times than I care admit....
    God performs discipline with his errant Children just as we do with “our” Children when they are doing things that are going to hurt them down the road if they continue.....We do it because we love them

    We don’t always understand it, and we sure as heck don’t like it, but God, just like us does it for the Benefit Of the Children.....

    If, by chance , you DON’T receive Chastisement from God when you Sin, you have the biggest problem of all —— it shows that you are a “ Bastard” .....God will let you go Merrily down the Road to Hell—- He might decide to “ cut you some slack”, knowing your time on Earth is all that you have before you drop into Hell forever....
     
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    Michiah-Imla Well-Known Member

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    Let us break down this confusing contradicting mess here:

    So then why does this happen to them:

    It sure Looks like God is charging SIN to me…

    So why aren’t Christians dropping like flies? After all you say no one ever stops sinning?

    Your doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved has you confused and saying very illogical things. A simple perusal of the New Testament alone exposes this lying flattering vain speech of yours.

    “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” (Romans 6:1-2)

    How @Behold ?

    How?
     
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    Behold Well-Known Member

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    If God is charging sin to you, then its because you are not actually born again.
    If you are, born again, then God charged all your sins to Jesus, 2000 yrs ago.
    See : THE CROSS, for an update.
    Then read Paul, in Romans 4:8, where he teaches that God does not charge sin to the Born again.
     
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    Michiah-Imla Well-Known Member

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    You are either being deceptive or you can’t read well.

    You said that God no longer charges sin to the believer; in fact you said “he can’t”!. Then you proceeded to list what happens to the same believer if he sins, you said:

    And:

    And:

    Moreover you continued saying:

    And I responded to you that YOUR listed consequences sure appeared like sins were being charged to the believer (to my reading of your post).

    So why are these things happening to the believer if what you said here was true?:

    Can you explain this contradiction?
     
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    There is no contradiction... you just need to read carefully before you blindly fire away.
    See, i explained that "Sowing and Reaping" .. this is a spiritual law that did not end with the Cross of Christ.

    Now let me take it deeper for you, and the other readers..
    See, when anyone sins, believer or non, that sin is a SEED. Its a Seed sown into the spiritual realm.
    All deeds are SEEDS, sown.. Words also. And when you plant a seed in the spiritual realm, you will get a harvest.
    This harvest is your self created destiny, that is brought to life later by what you DO TODAY.

    "seed time and harvest".....is a spiritual law. And what you plant in the spiritual realm, is a SEED, and that SEED, = that DEED done, will have a harvest..which is a later consequence.
    And this consequence, will be the judgement or reward that you earned by planting that DEED that you did.

    "be sure your SIN will find you out".
    That is "sowing and reaping". = bad, harsh, consequence

    "100 fold return" that is "sowing and reaping". = blessed consequence
     
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    Michiah-Imla Well-Known Member

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    Now you are just talking nonsense.

    Address my questions out of the scripture. Stop sharing your assumptions and cult speech.

    If the believer’s sin is all atoned for, then why is he punished AT ALL in this life for sin that God “cannot” hold against him?
     
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    Michiah-Imla Well-Known Member

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    “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” (Romans 6:1-2)

    How @Behold ?

    How?
     
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    I use a lot of verses.
    I dont post the chapter for you, so, try not to keep being confused by that fact.

    Here is your answer.

    The believer is never punished by God.
    He is chastened. "corrected".
    That's not the same context as "your sin will find you out", that is the consequence of "sowing and reaping".
     
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    Thats a good verse.
    Paul isnt saying that the born again live in sin, he is stressing and explaining that this isn't happening.
    He's explaining in this verse more of what he explained in other verses.....like.....>"your old man is crucified with christ".. "the body is DEAD because of Sin". "reckon the old man, dead".
    See those?
    That is Paul explaining that the sin issue, is not related to the "new creation in Christ". Its only related to the "dead man" who is crucified with Jesus.
    So, as that is NOT who the born again are, as they are a new creation in Christ, then there is no living in sin.

    He just told you, "how can we who are DEAD"...... do it?

    Its not possible.
    See, the DEAD can't live as or in anything.
     
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    Michiah-Imla Well-Known Member

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    But why?

    You believe he will never be corrected and stop sinning.

    So God just beats you everyday until you die as an exercise in entertainment or something???
     
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    Michiah-Imla Well-Known Member

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    How can a dead man sin?
     
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    Behold Well-Known Member

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    read post #10
     
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    Hebrews 12:6. is not judgment. Its CORRECTION of the flesh, of the issues a person has (bad habits, or addictions, mental strongholds) that are blocking them from spiritual growth that they need.
     
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    Okay, so a born again is sinless.

    You agree in sinless perfection.

    Glad we cleared that up.
     
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    See what you just wrote.. that i posted? ( i ignored the rest).

    You wrote, """ so a BORN AGAIN, is sinless.""""

    And that is the first thing you've said in your last 30+ posts to me that is Pauline Theology.

    Now.....Let me explain this, as its so important that you see it, so that you have a chance to come out of your particular theology.

    Notice now.

    The = BORN AGAIN.
    What is that?
    That is a Son of God, Daughter of Christ, who is eternally made "the righteousness of God in Christ", based on The Gift of Salvation who is Christ on the Cross.

    Look now..
    The born again.........that is not your body, and that is not your mind.
    Its the Born again SPIRIT< that is become "the new creation in Christ".
    Its the born again Spirit, that is become the Son/Daughter of God.
    Its the born again SPIRIT, that has been joined to God, who is "A" SPIRIT."
    See that?
    So, that is the BORN AGAIN Son of God, and that born again Spirit, exists in the Kingdom of God,... "translated from Darkness ... to LIGHT"".
    This Born again Spirit, the Son of God, is 'IN CHRIST"< and is the "new Creation".
    And this is how you are to understand who the BORN AGAIN have become, and once you can see this, you will begin to understand why there is no sin found in the new Creation, but its only found in the "old man of the flesh" who has been "crucified with Christ"....if you are born again.
     
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    ‘Eternally’ and ‘righteous’ don’t even appear in same sentence together in the scripture. Where are you getting these phrases from? Adding to scripture again are we?

    “For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made eternally righteous.” (Romans 5:19)

    And I’m not following your teaching, it sounds alien to me. And I am very familiar with the voices in the scripture. I don’t know your voice.

    “And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.” (John 10:4-5)
     
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    Ive no doubt that it sounds "alien" to you.
    This is because you are not, according to the theology you post, a devout student of Paul, and are not grounded in Pauline Theology.
    That is so obvious to someone like me who has only been teaching Paul's Doctrine for a long time.
    I would imagine that if you read ..."Blessed is the man to whom God does not charge to them their SIN">.....that Paul teaches, in Romans 4, that when i told you about that, you did feel very strange.
    How could you not, as your Legalism sours the Grace of God when your ears hear it.
    And also, its a little late now, Michiah-Imla, to go to WIKIPEDIA, and look all that up, and come back and pretend "..."oh i know all that"
     
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    Jesus Himself is "the resurrection and THE LIFE".
    "Jesus is the WAY , the TRUTH, and THE LIFE".
    See that?
    Look closely.

    John teaches that you "can know you have eternal life", and that is because JESUS Is Eternal Life, and if you have Him in you, then you have eternal life.

    Eternal Life, having it, is based on being "made righteous", by "The gift of Righteousness", that is "The Gift of Salvation".

    So, these most basic and simple doctrines regarding SALVATION, seem to you "alien".

    You need to figure out what is wrong with your hearing., and the first place to check is your Faith, followed by your Theology.
     
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    Michiah-Imla Well-Known Member

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    I am grounded in ALL the scripture. You are not it seems. Which is why your teaching, while it soothes the ear itch, is contrary to the scripture, and why you are deficient in spiritual matters:

    “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

    So you disobey Christ?

    “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matthew 28:19-20)

    No, but if you weren’t partial or twisting scripture you would get the full context of Romans 4:

    “Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:22)
     
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