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What if you lose your faith?

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  1. Behold

    Behold Well-Known Member

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    Here are some thoughts, regarding "Losing your Faith"

    Here is the reality... > Your Faith does not save you.
    God SAVED you >through your Faith. = ONCE.... Proof = BORN AGAIN.
    Big difference.
    Vital Distinction.

    So, falling away from it after you are SAVED, basically does nothing but allow others to esteem you as a backslider.
    God doesn't because God does not count sin against a SON of God, as He's already counted them all against His "only Begotten" for you.
    This "backslider" is a SON of GOD who is off the main path but they are not "LOST" , as they were previously found by Jesus's Blood and redeemed, which is the reason they are SAVED at all.

    There are a lot of Christian's who are no where near the path of Light, yet they are all Children of the Light., by being "born again" into the Spirit of God.
    Reader....There is no verse in the NT that says....> you fell out of Christ".
    And that is because you can't.
    You are "bone of Jesus Christ's bones, and flesh of Jesus Christ's flesh".
    "ONE with God"...>"In Christ". A "new Creation".
    "As Jesus is so are the born again in this world".... right now. = "seated in heavenly placed, IN CHRIST....right now".

    On the Day God saved you, He knew all about what you would do wrong and right, later.
    So, if you have a faith issue, God knew you would, and yet, He saved you anyway.
    Why? Because once He does, then Jesus becomes the Author and FINISHER of your Faith, an God who started Salvation in you, will be faithful to complete it.
    Hebrews 12:2. and Philippians 1:6

    We as BIBLE believers are to understand that in Eternity, in Heaven, the only Sin that God evaluates, to evaluate you, is the unpardonable sin of Christ Rejection.
    This is the unpardonable sin., and if you die a Christ Rejector, then you prevent Christ on the Cross from taking your sin,.....and you die "un-pardoned".
    = the un-pardonable....sin.
    = Christ Rejection.
    This is actually choosing to go to Hell.
    Bad choice.
    See.....Its only a Christ Rejector......its only THIS sin, that is alone dealt with In Heaven, in Revelation 20:11. Great White Throne.
    Believers only meet God as FATHER and never as Judge, and we meet Christ because we Trusted Him on EARTH But if you didn't, and die then you dont meet Christ as your Savior, you only meet the JUDGE who Sent Jesus here, and you Rejected Him. And now God will reject YOU..
    = Hell .... = THE LAKE OF FIRE . "this is the 2nd Death".

    So, if you are not saved, and you are reading this... please do not reject Christ and meet God as your Judge.
    Please don't do that.
    Receive Jesus, Trust in Jesus..... kneel at the Cross in your heart and receive the LOVE of God.... End up happy in Heaven, and eternally so.

    Down here, on earth, a believer's bad behavior is dealt with by.= "reaping and sowing".
    And God will also correct a born again believer for flesh issues, .. Hebrews 12:6.
    The born again meet God as their Father.
    The unsaved, meet God as their Judge.
    On earth, all meet "sowing and reaping" for sin or "works of the flesh"..., so, be sure your deeds are not the type that are going to harvest a season of pain in your life.

    People want to judge God, and the bible, based on their opinion.
    (self righteousness)
    But God's ways are higher than ours, as in as high as Heaven is from the earth, is how differently God's thinks and behaves, as compared to how we would try to do the same.
    WE, as humans, can't even grasp that a holy God would come to earth and die for the UNGODLY....Yet He DID.
    Jesus looked down from the cross into the hate filled eyes of those who wanted him up there and LOVED THEM and said..."Father forgive them".

    Self Righteous believers can't stand the fact that God's Grace continues to be the same, unchanging for people who are born again,, but who don't live a holy life.
    What they want to think about them, is that they deserve hell, or that they have lost their salvation. That is how the self righteous would have it for them.
    Thats how they feel.... and that is how they sound on Forums like this one.
    That's is their carnal flesh-mind. That is how it reacts against the Grace of God, at times.
    The more of a legalist you are, the more you will have these types of feelings and beliefs.
    Did you want to cast the first stone? ??

    Parents dont love their children because they are bad or good, they love them because they are their Children, and that is God's love. That is God's love for us, and His love is everlasting and UNCONDITIONAL.
    We dont earn it. We RECEIVE IT. Salvation is a GIFT.
    They who are cold to God and off the walk of faith, are still always His Blood bought Children, and He does not love them less because they are horrible people.
    On the day He saved them God knew they would turn out to be rotten stinking Christians.
    But Christians they are, and to HIM they belong, as "new BIRTH", and its the Blood Atonement that decided this for them on the day they gave their Faith in Christ to God.

    ALL sin is pardoned on the CROSS and offered as : SALVATION.
    In fact, that God does not charge you for yours, as Christ has already died for them ALL = Romans 4:8.
    If you reader, have not studied this verse deeply, then you need to study it.
    And you need to study this one also..... Hebrews 13:9.
    AS if you don't follow that one, early in your born again "babe in Christ" experience, then you'll potentially end up as a devout Legalist on a forum like this one at some point teaching Galatians 1:8.
    Many of these are here today

    So, again....about "losing Faith"....
    "whatever is not of faith (losing faith for example) is sin"
    =""where SIN Abounds (in the LIFE OF A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN), .. GRACE more abounds".
    "God who began your salvation in you, will HIMSELF be FAITHFUL to COMPLETE it".
    Philippians 1:6
    "Jesus is the author and FINISHER of your FAITH"
    Hebrews 12:2
    In other words, you can't out-sin God's Grace.
    Many try it, but it can't be done.
    You can only "fall away" from it, and become what Paul is describing in Galatians.
    ""are you so FOOLISH< (that you use to Trust Christ to keep you saved) , but now you are gone BACK into the (flesh) worrying about the 10 commandments, and the law, and lifestyle, and holding unto your faith, trying to keep yourself saved..
    You are "" FALLEN...from GRACE."
    This is the Legalist.

    So, understand that "holding onto your faith", is not principally different than keeping the 10 commandments, regarding its inability to save you or keep you saved.

    A person says......"but my faith is what saved me".
    And the NT says....NO = God saved you, through your faith".
    And Jesus said of our Salvation while ON the Cross, "it if finished".

    A believer says.... "ummm, well, ok, faith does not save me, it's God through the Blood of Jesus who SAVED me.....I see, BUT....what if i fall out of faith". ?????
    What if you do?
    What if you don't.
    This does not stipulate or control or condemn the blood bought redemption that has happened to you.
    = "New Birth".
    = "New Creation IN CHRIST".
    Faith does not do this, it only allows GOD TO DO IT TO YOU, FOR YOU, through your Faith.
    HE DID iT FOR YOU.
    ITS DONE. .... if you are born again.

    So, It really does come down to one realization.
    Its not what you trusted to SAVE YOU< but its what you are trusting to KEEP YOU SAVED.....is the issue that is deceiving the Legalist.
    AS right here is where a legalist "falls from Grace", and into "self saving."

    Remember...Salvation, is an eternal blood bought contract between the Blood of Jesus and your initial Faith, that results in you going to heaven to be with the family of GOD : only based on Jesus on THE CROSS.
     
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  2. Grailhunter

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    I only get "stern" with preachings that can lead people down the path to hell. And I get stern with evil people too.
    This is a false belief that can hurt people. But not all that preach it are evil. It attract some people that are concerned about their loved ones and can not stand the thought of them going to hell. A mother may have a son or daughter that live the LGBTQ lifestyle or they take drugs and or give them to children. There sons may be in prison for rape or murder and they will tell you that their son has a good heart. Some of these sons and daughters may have been in church and were baptized but now live sin as a lifestyle. Mothers and Grand mothers fear them dying in those lifestyles. So they come to believe the "Once saved always saved" heresy.

    Some people come to Christianity to know God and clean up their life....but some meet the heretics that do not make it clear that they must repent and change their life or they are lost even if they believe in Christ. Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Matthew 7:21 That is the facts, that is the truth. Believing in Christ does not give anyone the license to sin. Heaven will not be full of evil. Heaven is not the destination of evildoers. What would hell be for?

    Christ's grace is powerful, not stupid. He is not your mark to fool.

    Christ knows your heart....knows your honest intent....repentance and forgiveness is ours as long as we do our best to apply Christ to our life. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Don't be fooled by the Once saved always saved heretics. Walk with Christ everyday of your life...love His ways and follow His ways....The Way as it was called. What would Christ and Apostles say to these Once saved always saved heretics....probably the word cursed would be used. Cursed for themselves and those they lead to hell.
     
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    Michiah-Imla Well-Known Member

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    Wow.

    That post is long enough to be an epistle in the New Testament.

    Yet there is no such epistle in the Bible that teaches what you just taught.

    People, stick to the Bible and don’t be led astray by long drawn out fair speeches like these.
     
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    L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d Well-Known Member

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    Luke 9: 62
    And Jesus said unto him NO MAN,HAVING PUT HIS HAND TO THE PLOUGH,AND .......LOOKING BACK....., IS FIT FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
    1 Cor. 10:12
    Wherefore let him that thinketh he STANDETH
    take HEED lest HE FALL.
    Jude 1: 24
    Now unto him that is able TO KEEP YOU FROM FALLING............

    If it were impossible to FALL AWAY ,return to captivity and in bondage to sin, lose ones faith and walk away from God, return to unbelief, THERE WOULD BE ....NO....WARNINGS IN GODS WORD TO BE STEADFAST AND UNMOVABLE, TO ENDURE TO....THE END !
     
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    Jesus, who is Salvation, joins Himself spiritually to a person's Spirit, and that is to be BORN AGAIN.
    We dont cause that, and we can't keep that.
    That is a GOD SUPPLIED = Salvation.
    REJOICE in "The Gift of Salvation".
     
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    IF you have issues with the Grace of God and the GIFT of Salvation, and the finished work of Jesus on the Cross, then im sure that my Thread is like a sharp stick in your eye.
    Understandable.
     
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    You've just taught that God's Grace is not free,...but that its conditioned on your self effort to "apply Christ to our life'.

    This is the Gospel of self effort that denies the Cross of Christ as "the GIFT of Salvation".
     
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    2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

    Galatians 5:21 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

    Revelation 21:8
    But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
     
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    Grailhunter,

    I added 1-3 to your Post, so that its easier for you to read my responses in order, as per your verses.


    1.) The Judgement Seat of Christ is not for sinners.....
    Its for the Born again only. And this is a rewards ceremony where Jesus will take a look at all the works you ever did for God, "in His Body"..... and Christ will evaluate them based on MOTIVE.
    If your motive was right for the work you did for God then you get a reward.
    1 Corinthians 3:13
    If your works were done for vain glory, and self aggrandizement, or to try to attain social status and ministry position, your works will burn as "wood, hay, stubble"


    2.) "The unrighteous will not inherit the KOG"... This is true. The Christ Rejectors, who are the "unrighteous", will not inherit the KOG.
    Whereas the BORN AGAIN, have already inherited it, and have been "Translated from darkness....TO LIGHT">.........already in it.
    This is why the Born Again are "seated in heavenly places IN CHRIST"....Right NOW.

    3. Notice your verse says..>"the UNBELIEVING"......so, that is the context, as only these. John 3:36...... will face God's Judgment that results in "the 2nd Death".
     
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    2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. We...we...we!!! LOL LOL Paul included himself on this fact.

    If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    Over the years you people have been given these scriptures over and over again and they mean absolutely nothing to you. You should be ashamed of yourself.

    If you are going to continue to demean and twist the scriptures, portraying Christ as an idiot that you can scam. Why not be like the Jehovah's Witnesses and write your own Bible? I am not sure what sin would be worse....writing your own Bible or desecrating the Word of God. What level of hell is reserved for these types of sins?
     
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    1.) Grailhunter.....>Notice the "WE"......in your first verse. That is Paul talking about the Born again. And the born again, wont be judged for sin after they die, because JESUS has already died on the Cross for their sin on Earth.
    This is why Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge the Born again (WE) with their Sin, in eternity.
    He Can't, as Jesus has already DIED for them all.



    2.) Your verse has changed the Hebrews verse slightly......from "sinning willfully".... So, this verse is talking about a specific sin that causes this to remain = John 3:36.
    Its the "willful" sin of Christ Rejection, that your verse is talking about, and its those who are doing it, that have heard the gospel, and have not believed.......will not....."willfully".
    That's the unpardonable sin. Whereas a believer has already BELIEVED on Jesus, so they can't commit the sin of UNBELIEF.
    Only the Christ rejector can "die in unbelief", having never been born again.
     
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    Grailhunter Well-Known Member

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    Wrong again....you are really not good at this are ya.

    Reading comprehension problem? We...he included himself as all will appear before the judgment seat of Christ.

    No specific sin mentioned.....twisting of the scriptures seams to be the trait of once saved always saved people....no respect for the Word of God.

    Nothing in those verses point to that.

    Again no thing even hinted of that....

    If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

    You lose again.
    2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

    Galatians 5:21 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

    Revelation 21:8
    But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
     
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    Good grief.

    When does it stop?
    [​IMG]

    2 Peter 2:21
     
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    On this topic why do folks ignore Jeremiah 32:40 where the prophet predicts that the New Covenant will involve the indwelling presence, including the Spirit of the Fear of the Lord, to prevent falling away???


    Jer 32
    38 They shall be My people, and I will be their God; 39 and I will give them one heart and one way, so that they will fear Me always, for their own good and for the good of their children after them. 40 I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts, so that they will not turn away from Me. 41 I will rejoice over them to do them good and will faithfully plant them in this land with all My heart and all My soul.
     
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    How do you think anybody is ignoring it?
     
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    If His indwelling Fear is present in the hearts of the Elect given for the purpose of keeping them from turning away from the Lord - that would effectively seal their salvation.
     
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    We are not sealed until Judgment Day. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. The Way as it was called is not a religion of immorality. You want to be counted with those going to heaven....be good and do good....to the best of your ability.
     
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    The verse is talking about those under the New Covenant who are capable of sinning but are kept from it by His indwelling presence.

    I cant understand why folks choose to ignore the verse.
     
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    So are you Calvinist? We are kept from sinning because we are robots?
     
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