What is the promised land to Abraham?

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What is the Promised Land?

First in order to understand the promised land a person has to know the promise. The Father showed Abraham a country where acity was, whose builder and maker wasthe FATHER. Abraham was told that God himself would dwell in it.

The FATHER told Abraham the land would be for an everlasting inheritance. Thewords everlasting should send up red flagseverywhere to Israel. Why? Because we knowthe Father will completely destroy this earth. So Abraham was being showed a heavenly country. A different place then earth. As Paul explains it in Hebrews chapter 11.

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”

When Paul wrote, had Abraham been mindful - meant - he didn’t understood that the country was a heavenly country and not an earthly one. He did not understand that what he looked for was not on this earth.






The promise was to be an everlasting promise of possession. So Abraham traveled throughout the land in search of this land a great city but never having obtaining possession of it.

This earth and heavens are completely destroyed as recorded in Peter.

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great

noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”

In revelation it is written:

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and

the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”

Abraham traveled In the land of promise. Meaning throughout the land where he received the promise.



Why do so many today believe the land Israelpossess today is that Promised Land? They confuse the difference between the promised land to Abraham to the land where the promise was given. Now Israel did travel and live in theland of promise but this is different from the Promised Land.



So the Father was referring to a heavenlycountry and not here on earth. But don't take my word. Listen to Paul explains it in Hebrewseleven.

“By trusting, Abraham obeyed, after beingcalled to go out to a place which God wouldgive him as a possession; indeed, he went outwithout knowing where he was going. 9 Bytrusting, he lived as a temporary resident inthe Land of the promise, as if it were not his, staying in tents with Isaac and Jacob, whowere to receive what was promised along withhim. 10For he was looking forward to the citywith permanent foundations, of whichthe architect and builder is God”.

As it is written;

“And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city”.

Now who was the seed? When the Lord told Abraham that the promise was to him and his seed - who was the Lord referring too?
 

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Yeah...
This is how wars get started.
Hebrew is a metaphoric language to start with...and the metaphors have more than one meaning....string them together and you have confusion and fussing over the precise meanings.

Now in the original passage Abraham was told to "look" at the land. By this point Abraham had travelled the whole Fertile Crescent. In Hebrew that word "look" also means "consider". Meaning in truth that God was giving the whole world to Abraham and his "Seed"....not seeds. Again this is another point of contention. Zera vs Zerabim.

The Jews make the "look" as literally what Abraham could see at that moment. And then the "Seed" as a singular intending a plural that they say is "descendants" .

Jesus says otherwise....
"All authority in Heaven and Earth has been given unto me"
That pretty much confirms who the Earth belongs to...and fulfills that promise.

And that pretty much is the Crux of the reason for the wars.

Also...
In Genesis 2 Eden is described as the whole Fertile Crescent with Israel being the garden within it...and Jerusalem as being the center of the Garden with the tree of life.
So...to the Jews the land is special and holy... unique and precious. They are biologically hardwired for having an affinity with that land. Even if it's almost worthless. They have farmed sand and made it back into a garden. It's incredible to see what they have done...and the dividing line between Israel and Palestine is clearly marked with vegetation. Israel has plenty and Palestine has refuse and no vegetation. I have no idea why Palestinians won't pick up their own trash and dispose of it properly...but it's strewn about everywhere.
 

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Thewords everlasting should send up red flagseverywhere to Israel. Why? Because we knowthe Father will completely destroy this earth.
You seem to be a little confused. God will not only destroy this earth, but He will also create a new heavens and a new earth. And redeemed and restored Israel will occupy the land between the Nile and the Euphrates. That is guaranteed.

With regard to the heavenly city New Jerusalem, Abraham and all the OT saints are there at present. At the Resurrection/Rapture they will receive immortal glorified bodies and return to Heaven. But that does not cancel what will happen on earth in the future.
 

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When Paul wrote, had Abraham been mindful - meant - he didn’t understood that the country was a heavenly country and not an earthly one. He did not understand that what he looked for was not on this earth.

That does not seem to jive with this...

These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
(Heb 11:13)

BTW, I guess I am a bit confused about the purpose of this 'Christian newbies' section. I thought it was for 'new Christians', and if so, I hardly think this topic fits the bill. But maybe I am wrong about 'newbies' and it's purpose.
 
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@Daniel Veler
Consider these things...

What if we are to be the Promised Land, the place where Jesus is to dwell and to lay His Head? Are we not a little bit of earth?
unlikely...

1 Corinthians 15:50 (NASB) Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
 

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Let God be true and everlasting liar. What you read was scripture. What you answer with with is your human reasoning.
 

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Let God be true and everlasting liar. What you read was scripture. What you answer with with is your human reasoning.
Four people responded to you directly, which one of us four are you directing your comment above to?
 

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unlikely...

1 Corinthians 15:50 (NASB) Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
Flesh and blood, no, but what is happening to us? Where is the old man and where is the new man of us? Which one is decreasing as the other is increasing?
 
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Flesh and blood, no, but what is happening to us? Where is the old man and where is the new man of us? Which one is decreasing as the other is increasing?
But you were suggesting perhaps ‘we’ are the Promised Land…I hope not.
 

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What is the Promised Land?

First in order to understand the promised land a person has to know the promise. The Father showed Abraham a country where acity was, whose builder and maker wasthe FATHER. Abraham was told that God himself would dwell in it.

The FATHER told Abraham the land would be for an everlasting inheritance. Thewords everlasting should send up red flagseverywhere to Israel. Why? Because we knowthe Father will completely destroy this earth. So Abraham was being showed a heavenly country. A different place then earth. As Paul explains it in Hebrews chapter 11.

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”

When Paul wrote, had Abraham been mindful - meant - he didn’t understood that the country was a heavenly country and not an earthly one. He did not understand that what he looked for was not on this earth.






The promise was to be an everlasting promise of possession. So Abraham traveled throughout the land in search of this land a great city but never having obtaining possession of it.

This earth and heavens are completely destroyed as recorded in Peter.

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great

noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”

In revelation it is written:

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and

the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”

Abraham traveled In the land of promise. Meaning throughout the land where he received the promise.



Why do so many today believe the land Israelpossess today is that Promised Land? They confuse the difference between the promised land to Abraham to the land where the promise was given. Now Israel did travel and live in theland of promise but this is different from the Promised Land.



So the Father was referring to a heavenlycountry and not here on earth. But don't take my word. Listen to Paul explains it in Hebrewseleven.

“By trusting, Abraham obeyed, after beingcalled to go out to a place which God wouldgive him as a possession; indeed, he went outwithout knowing where he was going. 9 Bytrusting, he lived as a temporary resident inthe Land of the promise, as if it were not his, staying in tents with Isaac and Jacob, whowere to receive what was promised along withhim. 10For he was looking forward to the citywith permanent foundations, of whichthe architect and builder is God”.

As it is written;

“And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city”.

Now who was the seed? When the Lord told Abraham that the promise was to him and his seed - who was the Lord referring too?
The seed was truly in regards to the truly Born again of the Holy Spirit in fact. that's who inherit.
The Land means nothing at all in fact, it's the dwelling of the Lord Jesus or who dwell within that is the main point in fact and outside of that is nonsense.

Only carnal people talk about the Land as value, it was not the Land that was of value at all to God but they of the seed and that's why God kicked them out of the Land, because they rejected God in fact for the works of Man, due to that Tempter of delusions power taking hold in them.

It's all about the Holy Spirit foremost, the people of God will inherit Paradise, that's the Kingdom of God and why well because they are clearly worthy of such.

Israel is the servant of God, such serve the King of Israel Jesus Christ, the promise has to do with they who are worthy of Jesus Christ in fact, Jesus cursed the Fig tree because it did not bear fruit. why did the fig not bear fruit because the Jews had clearly abandoned God for Temptation of the Devil as St Stephen pointed out in Acts and we see with Nathaniel that he was a true Israelite as Jesus pointed out and it's through such a one that they will see what Jesus said Nathaniel would see.
Now what was it that Nathaniel will see ? do you all know ! if you don't know that you are a very poor Christian and no wonder people are at a lost on the subject that is truly at hand in all this.

All that is Gods is yours ? only you have to abide in Jesus Christ and what is yours is truly his in fact, do you not know what the Devil tried on Jesus, Jesus turned around and pointed out the facts to the Devil. Vamoose if possible ye of deception and deception it departed, because such as was exposed. such a power has no power over the Light and that Light is Salvation = Jesus.
The deceptive works of this world do not cut it in the Kingdom of God, because all darkness is exposed within the Kingdom. not to mention that was the intent of the Israel right from the beginning and that's why they kept out all Idols of all other Tribes.
 

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But you were suggesting perhaps ‘we’ are the Promised Land…I hope not.
What better place for Jesus to lay his Head than upon the Body of Christ?

"And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head." Matt 8:20

Who is the Body of Christ?
 

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What better place for Jesus to lay his Head than upon the Body of Christ?

"And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head." Matt 8:20

Who is the Body of Christ?
True believers comprise the Body of Christ, but where in Scripture does it say Jesus lays His head on His body?
Do you lay your head on your body??
 

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The seed was truly in regards to the truly Born again of the Holy Spirit in fact. that's who inherit.
The Land means nothing at all in fact, it's the dwelling of the Lord Jesus or who dwell within that is the main point in fact and outside of that is nonsense.

Only carnal people talk about the Land as value, it was not the Land that was of value at all to God but they of the seed and that's why God kicked them out of the Land, because they rejected God in fact for the works of Man, due to that Tempter of delusions power taking hold in them.

It's all about the Holy Spirit foremost, the people of God will inherit Paradise, that's the Kingdom of God and why well because they are clearly worthy of such.

Israel is the servant of God, such serve the King of Israel Jesus Christ, the promise has to do with they who are worthy of Jesus Christ in fact, Jesus cursed the Fig tree because it did not bear fruit. why did the fig not bear fruit because the Jews had clearly abandoned God for Temptation of the Devil as St Stephen pointed out in Acts and we see with Nathaniel that he was a true Israelite as Jesus pointed out and it's through such a one that they will see what Jesus said Nathaniel would see.
Now what was it that Nathaniel will see ? do you all know ! if you don't know that you are a very poor Christian and no wonder people are at a lost on the subject that is truly at hand in all this.

All that is Gods is yours ? only you have to abide in Jesus Christ and what is yours is truly his in fact, do you not know what the Devil tried on Jesus, Jesus turned around and pointed out the facts to the Devil. Vamoose if possible ye of deception and deception it departed, because such as was exposed. such a power has no power over the Light and that Light is Salvation = Jesus.
The deceptive works of this world do not cut it in the Kingdom of God, because all darkness is exposed within the Kingdom. not to mention that was the intent of the Israel right from the beginning and that's why they kept out all Idols of all other Tribes.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: (Rom 11:11, 15, 18, 21, 25, 26)

And one more for the road...

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. (Joh 4:22)

We have not replaced Israel.
 

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The promised land is a place of internal serenity to what is true. It takes unconditional faith to experience it. This world we walk through is all conditional, the very opposite to the promised land. That is why most people don't experience it.
 
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Some believe in the scriptures as metaphors. If this is the case scripture is understood then by human reasoning. Christ spoke in parables. The people that heard them did not understand. Why? To fulfill the mysteries of God from them. This fulfilled the word that said “ hearing they hear not. Seeing they see not.” Then Christ went on to say to those in him but unto you it is given to understand the mysteries of heaven. When you say scriptures are a metaphor you leave it up to each individual to come up with their own interpretation which we know scripture is not of a private interpretation. It isn’t the way you see it or me but the way God says it is. So when you disagree with what scriptures have said you apply a metaphor to it. I had a friend who spiritualized everything. He did not scripture explain scripture. Many do that today. This is why I said let God be true and every man a liar. I have much more to say but I see many will take only a part just to dispute it. When you see in part you only understand in part. What parts you don’t understand you dispute with human reasoning. The scriptures must be seen as a whole and not in part. Some of you speak of the seed as the body of Christ. You are right as far as those coming into the promise made to Abraham and to Christ. But the the beginning of the understanding was the seed was referring to Christ.
 

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What is the promised land to Abraham?
OP ^

The Promised "LAND", is a specific "Region / Amount" of LAND Promised to Abraham, and Abraham's "believing" "stock" (blood-line Hebrew/Tribal) Descendants.
* ^ THAT PROMISE, was exclusive to (blood-line Hebrews and the 12 Tribes), under the OT Covenant.
* ^ THAT PROMISE, became exclusive to
(ALL MEN) "WHO", freely CHOSE/ CHOOSE, to become "UNDER the new Covenant".
* Hebrews, Tribesmen, Gentiles: "WHO" freely CHOOSE, to ACCEPT and Heartfully CONFESS:
Abraham, Issac, Jacob, King David's God as "THEIR GOD", BECOME "sons" of:
Abraham, Issac, Jacob, King David and "THEIR GOD".
(It is called TAKING upon themselves, Gods Offering, to become 'sons' of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, King David, and "their God".).


Heb 2:
[9] But we see Jesus, who...
[16] ...took on him the seed of Abraham.

Gal 3:
[29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
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THE PROMISED LAND -
The boundaries of the Promised Land were from the River of Egypt (the Nile) to the Euphrates (Exodus 23:31).

The boundaries of the Promised Land are in part encompassed in parts of present day nations of:
...modern-day Israel, Gaza, West Bank, Jordan, parts of Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq.

That LAND ^ is Jesus' Inheritance, Mankind's (under the Old and New Covenant) Inheritance, to Occupy during Jesus' 1,000 year Kingdom and reign on Earth.

Glory to God,
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THE PROMISED LAND -
The boundaries of the Promised Land were from the River of Egypt (the Nile) to the Euphrates (Exodus 23:31).

The boundaries of the Promised Land are in part encompassed in parts of present day nations of:
...modern-day Israel, Gaza, West Bank, Jordan, parts of Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq.

That LAND ^ is Jesus' Inheritance, Mankind's (under the Old and New Covenant) Inheritance, to Occupy during Jesus' 1,000 year Kingdom and reign on Earth.

Glory to God,
Taken
step back some yet look forward in hope and faith....the promised land is the Earth made new wherein dwells righteousness.
This current age is passing away and with it, sin and death.
 
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Queitthinker if your suggesting that this earth isn’t destroyed then I’ll have to say it’s a sad day when a person disputes the written word. For the promise was for an everlasting promise. In revelation it is said we go to a new Heaven and earth for the old one had passed away. The apostle even spoke of the earth being completely destroyed. I’m just wondering do you believe an eternal punishment in the lake of Fire?