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What is the Soul?

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  1. Buzzfruit

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    What is the Soul?
    Because of the ever changing meaning of our English words of which the word soul is one of them, I believe it would be better to ask the question, what is man? What are we comprised of? Is a human being just made up of flesh and bones or is there something else in addition to that?
    Here is what the Bible has to say
    Genesis 2:7 (ASV)
    [sup]7 [/sup]And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
    Birds/animals that has soul?
    Psalms 74:19 (KJV)
    [sup]19 [/sup]O deliver not the soul of thy turtledove unto the multitude of the wicked: forget not the congregation of thy poor for ever.
    In these two verses man (a human being) does not seem to be any different than that of an animal. The word soul here means a living thing that breath air or receives air in some form into it’s lungs in order to live. This would also include those in the sea and rivers.
    Soul:
    Hebrew Word: ‏נֶפֶשׁ‎
    Transliteration: nepesh
    Phonetic Pronunciation: neh'-fesh
    Root: from <H5314>
    Cross Reference: TWOT - 1395a
    Part of Speech: n f
    Vine's Words: None
    from <H5314> (naphash); properly a breathing creature, i.e. animalor (abstract) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental) :- any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, × dead (-ly), desire, × [dis-] contented, × fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, × jeopardy of) life (× in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (× she) will, × would have it.
    —Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary
    But what does the New Testament have to tell us about the soul?
    Matthew 10:28 (KJV)
    [sup]28 [/sup]And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
    Here Jesus has revealed that we have something in addition to the body, which the Old Testament in the Hebrew is called nepesh. In this verse Jesus gives us more insight as to what we are; something that is in us that is called psychē. The word soul is used here as well. But pay no attention to this. I believe that the translators have erred in that some have used the one word “Soul” to translated not only two different words, but two different words from two different languages that means two different things.
    It also important to understand for those who believe that this psychē cannot be destroyed, which is translated soul; Jesus is saying here that God can destroy not only the body in hell/fire, but the psychē as well. No one can destroy psychē except God and I believe He will in the end, after the white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15. Not to be confused with the second coming of Jesus. The white Throne Judgment is a different time period than when Jesus returns. Even Satan himself will cease to exist, or be no more, as it says in Ezekiel 28:11-19.
    The spirit of man (human beings) returns to God at death
    Ecclesiastes 12:7 (ASV)
    [sup]7 [/sup]and the dust returneth to the earth as it was, and the spirit returneth unto God who gave it.
    The spirit that is mentioned in Ecclesiastes 3 and 12 is translated from the Hebrew word rûah which means the mind with all its expressions.
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    I would also like to mention that as far as I can see from what is revealed in the scriptures is that the dead in Christ are not in heaven. The Bible says that at death, saved or unsaved the spirit goes back to God. Some say the saints are in heaven but it does not say that they are in heaven; it simply says the spirit goes back to God. They also say that heaven is wherever God is, but I see no scripture to support this. God is omnipresent, but the Bible does not tell me that heaven is omnipresent; the Bible tells me that heaven was created by God, just like everything else that He created, so there was a time when heaven did not exist, but God has always been.
    I realize that some will use the scripture below to support that they believe that the dead saints are in heaven.
    Revelation 6:9-11 (KJV)
    [sup]9 [/sup]And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
    [sup]10 [/sup]And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
    [sup]11 [/sup]And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
    This is a vision seen by John, and the spirits of the dead saints were seen under an alter. What is an alter? An alter is a place where animal sacrifice is burnt. The saints are God’s lambs who were in a sense sacrifice for what they believe and God is about to avenge their death. Remember that Jesus said that He sent out His disciples as lambs among wolves. These are symbolic language being used to present a message. Jesus is also called the Lamb of God and He was sacrifice for the sin of the world. The Bible tells us that we will be like Jesus, so a part of being like Jesus is to experience some of the things that He went through.
    The story of Lazarus and the rich man tells me that the saved and the unsaved are basically in the same place, but are separated by some kind of chasma, because they are able to see and communicate with each other. But none from one side or the other are able get to the other side. Those who are on the side that Abraham is on are at peace and contentment, and those who are on the other side, where the rich man is on is in a state of fear, anguish and torment…or at least that rich man is.
    Luke 16:25-26 (KJV)
    [sup]25 [/sup]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
    [sup]26 [/sup]And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
    This place that the dead are seem to be a waiting place of some kind; they are all (those on either side) waiting to be resurrect (given back a physical body) from the dead, when they will hear the voice of God calling them and come forth.
    John 5:28-29 (ASV)
    [sup]28 [/sup]Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice,
    [sup]29 [/sup]and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment.
    Take note that Jesus said all that are in the grave; all includes saints and sinner alike.
    Soul:
    Greek Word: ψυχή
    Transliteration: psychē
    Phonetic Pronunciation: psoo-khay'
    Root: from <G5594>
    Cross Reference: TDNT - 9:608,1342
    Part of Speech: n f
    from <G5594> (psucho); breath, i.e. (by implication) spirit, abstract or concrete (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from <G4151> (pneuma), which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from <G2222> (zoe), which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew <H5315> (nephesh), <H7307> (ruwach) and <H2416> (chay)) :- heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.
    —Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary
    Only human beings of all God’s physical creation has apsychē /spirit.
    Job 32:8 (ASV)
    [sup]8 [/sup]But there is a spirit in man, And the breath of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
    The spirit in man/human beings is the same psychē that Jesus mentioned in Mathew 10:28.

    Spirit:
    Hebrew Word: ‏רוּחַ‎
    Transliteration: rûaḥ
    Phonetic Pronunciation: roo'-akh
    Root: from <H7306>
    Cross Reference: TWOT - 2131a
    Part of Speech: n f
    Vine's Words: Spirit
    from <H7306> (ruwach); wind; by resemblance breath, i.e. a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figurative life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extensive a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions) :- air, anger, blast, breath, × cool, courage, mind, × quarter, × side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, × vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).
    —Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary
    The scriptures do not tell us that animals have a mind; they have a brain, but a brain does not mean that it has a mind. If they did, then that would mean that they were created in God’s image and the Bible tells us that only human beings were created in God’s image. God created mankind (man and woman) in His image. But what does that mean? It means that unlike animals, human beings have the ability to have a relationship both with each other and with God. Only human beings have the ability to receive the Holy Spirit because we have a mind or spirit that can unite with the Spirit or mind of God.
    Romans 8:16 (ASV)
    [sup]16 [/sup]The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God:
    Spirit:
    Greek Word: πνεῦμα
    Transliteration: pneuma
    Phonetic Pronunciation: pnyoo'-mah
    Root: from <G4154>
    Cross Reference: TDNT - 6:332,876
    Part of Speech: n n
    Vine's Words: Breath, Breathe, Spirit, Wind

    from <G4154> (pneo); a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figurative a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implicaiton) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, dæmon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit :- ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare <G5590> (psuche).
    —Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary

    The Bible never said that animals, any animal can or has any hope after death. An animal knows neither good or evil. In fact they have no self awareness; they are only able to act and react according to what happens around them because of the instinct that God placed in them.
     
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    Not bad. You actually understand our makeup God created us with better than most I've conversed with.

    Notice Eccl.12 mentions a "silver cord" being severed at flesh death, which further defines the difference between our flesh body and our spirit as two separate things. Like our Lord Jesus said in John 3, that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. It's about two different dimensions of existence.

    Something else, the 'type' of body that is destroyed by the lake of fire event is a heavenly image, not one of flesh. When our Lord said in Matt.10 to not fear those who are able to kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul, the only remaining death is the "second death". The type of body destroyed at the "second death" is a resurrection type body.

    A mistake many often make is thinking the resurrection body ("image of the heavenly") means automatic Salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. Apostle Paul revealed in 1 Cor.15 that 2 operations must occur to have eternal Life through Christ: 1) our flesh body of corruption must put on the incorruption of the "image of the heavenly", or "spiritual body", AND 2) "this mortal" part must put on immortality. Paul used 4 separate Greek words to define those 2 operations.

    This is why our Lord Jesus said in John 5:28-29 that at the sound of His voice ALL in the graves will come forth, and be either of the "resurrection of life", or of the "resurrection of damnation". Per that, we ALL are going to be resurrected to the "image of the heavenly", but not all souls during Christ's Millennium reign will have put on "immortality" of the "resurrection of life".

    In Rev.3:9 our Lord Jesus gave an example of this during His future Millennium reign with His elect when He said He will make the false Jews of the synagogue of Satan come to worship before the feet of His elect. That reveals the resurrected "unjust" are still spiritually dead, their 'spirit' still not having been born by The Spirit. They are raised, but they are still spiritually dead, not of the "resurrection of life".

    Many have been misled by men's fleshy traditions about this for so long, I know it's difficult for them to understand. So most often they completely omit what our Lord Jesus revealed about it in John 5:28-29 involving two types of resurrection at His coming. Yet Apostle Paul revealed it too in 1 Cor.15, even pulling from Isaiah 25 where the 'death swallowed up in victory' idea was first written.
     
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    You are correct. And also, unlike angles human beings was designed to be clothed with a body. We ulitmatly will be far greater then angels....even Satan before he sinned. We will exist not only in the physical world but in the world of the spirit as well......we will be able to see God and the angels.
     
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    Well, we differ on that.

    I don't believe we will ever have 'new' flesh bodies, for like Paul said, "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption" (1 Cor.15:50).

    Even with Christ's Resurrection Body still with the marks of His crucifixion, I don't see it as a flesh body like we have today. He did things in His resurrected body that a flesh body cannot do. His flesh body was transfigured to the resurrection type body.

    But will the resurrection or "spiritual body" appear as flesh, feel as flesh, be able to live upon this earth like a flesh body? Yes, that I believe, just as our Lord Jesus showed with His resurrection body in appearing to His disciples after His crucifixion.

    Per Gen.18, the three men later revealed to be angels, with one of them being The Lord Who stayed behind talking to Abraham while the other two went to Lot, they were able to sit down and eat earthly food that Abraham had prepared for them. The flesh children of Israel while in the wilderness ate 'manna' which is heavenly food. It was said to appear like coriander seed. That's where American traditional angel's food cake comes from to represent it.

    In Hebrews 13:2, Apostle Paul admonished us to be hospitable to strangers, for some have entertained angels and weren't aware of it.

    Thus I see the Heavenly dimension being established upon this earth with its material elements, both at the same time. It is because we won't have literaly flesh bodies is how the spiritual body will not get sick, won't feel hot or cold, nor pain, nor will it pollute the earth like our flesh body of today does.

    1 Cor 6:13
    13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
    (KJV)
     
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    Flesh and blood will not. But the body we will inherit will be flesh and bones only......no blood. Jesus said He had flesh and bones.

    Luke 24:39 (ASV)
    [sup]39 [/sup]See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye behold me having.

    It will be a spiritual body.

    1 Corinthians 15:44 (ASV)
    [sup]44 [/sup]it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.


    A spiritual body is not the same as saying a spirit body......there is no such this as a spirit body.

    By deffinition spirit means without body.....that is why angels and God are refered to as spirit.....God only have a body through Jesus.

    I never implied that it was or that we will have the same body we have today.

    It won't just appare as if it is flesh.....it will be, but it will be a glorified flesh.
     
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    I think you're being a Literalist, and therefore miss the sense. What Paul said in 1 Cor.15:50 included the idea of 'flesh', not just 'blood'. The resurrection body is thus not a type of flesh and blood body, even though it will manifest as such, just like our Lord's resurrection body they could feel and touch.
     
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    Buzz, We have the same body which will be changed, and this same body will put on immortality 1 Cor 15:53. Veteran believes the marks on Jesus hands were superficially placed on his new spriritual body like that makes a lot of sense. Just another theory.

    Angels cant sin if so Rom 6:23 applies...keep running [​IMG]

    Soul means living breathing creature only - animals have souls.

    We all share the same breath of lives as the animals. Eccl 3:19

    [​IMG]
     
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    Well either the New body is flesh and bones or it is not. I see no reason for a body be a type of flesh(whatever that means) but not be.....what would be the purpose of this?
     
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    Buzz,

    Your existing body is the same resurected body, it will have all the scares and marks etc. This is the body which will be changed from Flesh and Blood to Flesh and Bones.

    As you rightly state...

    When Jesus referred to his body in the upper room “This is my body” - Covenants were ratified when parties met between parts of the body of sacrifice Jer 34:18,19. Our nature Heb 2:14. God manifest in flesh Jn 1:14. This was the same body that Joseph and Nicodemus handled. Yes the same body that did not see corruption Psalm 16:10. Thomas wanted to touch his physical body John 20:28.

    Same body [​IMG]
     
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    It's not about how we 'think' it will occur. It's about how God's Word says it will occur. Lot of things written in God's Word that we still don't understand just 'how' they could happen.

    John 20:26-29
    26 And after eight days again His disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, "Peace be unto you."
    27 Then saith He to Thomas, "Reach hither thy finger, and behold My hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into My side: and be not faithless, but believing."
    28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, "My Lord and my God."
    29 Jesus saith unto him, "Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
    (KJV)

    1 Cor 15:48-49
    48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
    49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
    (KJV)

    2 Cor 5:1
    1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
    (KJV)

    Understanding that has to come by The Holy Spirit. It is spiritually discerned, not carnally discerned.
     
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    I am well familiar with those scriptures but that still does not prove what you are claiming. For example; Jesus walked on water when He still had His old body. My point is, it is not the body that He now have that made it possible for Him to appear through walls or doors it is His mind.....His will or faith. Jesus said all things are possible to for those who believe.
     
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    The point about or Lord Jesus suddenly appearing in His disciples' midst, in a closed room, is that's how the angels also suddenly appeared to man on earth. It's also how He suddenly appeared to Abraham in Gen.18, with Abraham at his tent door looking up and there He was. Philip was caught away in his flesh to appear in another place; so was Ezekiel, but those were different as they had not yet died, and they were simply moved from one place on earth to another.
    That, coupled with the descriptions our Lord gave about the resurrection being a state like the angels of God in heaven, and with Paul's descriptions of the resurrection body, it's Biblically solid that the resurrection body is not a flesh and blood body, but that it functions and appears similar to one. It's simply of a different dimension, the heavenly dimension.

    The "image of the heavenly" Paul mentioned is... the image body type of the angels. Paul well understood this which is why he said flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor corruption (flesh) inherit incorruption ("spiritual body"). That's why those still on earth in the flesh at Christ's coming will be 'changed' like he said.
     
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    Angles don't have bodies.......that is why they are called spirits; they only appear in a form that we can relate to but that is not what they are really like. Jesus on the other hand was born as a human being and therefore He is a human being in addition to being God. So since He became one of us He has a real physical body, only that it is a glorified body.
     
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    You're confusing the flesh state with the heavenly state. Paul made a distinction between the "image of the earthy" (flesh body) vs. the "image of the heavenly" (spiritual body)...

    1 Cor 15:48-50
    48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
    49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
    50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
    (KJV)

    Our Lord Jesus made that distinction too, in John 3 when He said that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit.

    The main difference with the "spiritual body" is that it is not a ghost type body like some stupid Hollywood horror movie. It has substance, looks like flesh, feels like flesh, can eat man's food, and can live upon this earth. Yet it is of the other dimension of existence, the heavenly. There's only TWO dimensions of existence written in God's Word, this earthy we are in now, and the heavenly.
     
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    Sorry, I still disagree. The only one that is in Heaven that has a body is Jesus and it is physical, everyone else does not have a body. Like I said before, spirit means without body.

    Greek Strong's Number: 4151

    Spirit
    Greek Word: πνεῦμα
    Transliteration: pneuma
    Root: from <G4154>
    Cross Reference: TDNT - 6:332,876
    Part of Speech: n n
    Vine's Words: Breath, Breathe, Spirit, Wind
    from <G4154> (pneo); a current of air, i.e. breath(blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figurative a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implicaiton) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, dæmon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit :- ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare <G5590> (psuche).

    — Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary



    The avove deffinition aplies to all spirits.....whether we are talking about God, angels, the Holy Spirit or the spirit in man. That deffinition would not and and could not be aplied to a body.
     
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    What you're preaching is a pop tradition of men based on the idea that death in the flesh means being literally 'asleep' in the ground, with their flesh being raised at the resurrection. Christ didn't show that with His story of Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16. Nor with what He declared in Scripture like Matt.10:28, and nor did Apostle Paul in 1 Cor.15 and 2 Cor.5. What you're preaching is the idea of Salvation of our flesh just because our Lord Jesus' flesh body was transfigured to show the marks of His crucifixion.

    The resurrection body Apostle Paul taught in 1 Cor.15 and 2 Cor.5 is a "spiritual body", the "image of the heavenly", not a flesh body which he called "corruption". In those verses when he said "...neither doth corruption inherit incorruption", he was speaking of the difference between the type body we have today vs. the type body we will have that is of the heavenly order. Not long ago most Churches understood this, until the crept in unawares of Judaizers started pushing their 'dead in the ground' theories of Salvation of the flesh.

    Angels do... have bodies, just not flesh TYPE bodies. The "spiritual body" or "image of the heavenly" IS the angelic type body. That's why our Lord Jesus said when raised from the dead they "are as the angels which are in heaven" (Mark 12:25). That's the 'body' that Paul was talking about when he said, "And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be..." (1 Cor.15:37).
     
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    I did not say that.

    The Greek definition and even the Hebrew for spirit speaks for itself, and nowhere does it suggest that they have a body. And Mark 12:25 is not addressing whether one will have a body or not. It is addressing the subject of marriage.....will we get married? No, we will not get married, just as the angels do not.



    The body we now have is subjected to corruption not because it is physical but because it is not a spiritual body.....it gets it substance from the food, water and air. The image of the Heavenly body that is being referred to is Jesus' body.....He has flash and bones, as He told His disciples
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    So you dont believe the natural body is raised with all its imperfections, marks included?

    And when is "this" corruptible to put on incorruption?

    What is the "this"? if not the actual body raised and then changed.

    If the actual body is "clothed" as per 2 Co 5:4 this language reveals an external change which is immortalising the eternal Word dwelling in us (seed). 1Co 15:53,54.

    If the mortal aspect of your nature was removed "swallowed up" you would no longer die! Although you still have the same body.

    The body as Veteran states is just a carcass a shell an earthen vessel that houses the mind of the Spirit.

    These ideas of "nakedness" and "clothing" and "putting on" are borrowed from the garden of Eden: where the clothing, or "covering", is an atoning sacrifice for the sins of our first parents.

    Adam and Eve both before and after their fall possessed the same bodies though the sentence of death was passed upon them, nothing at all suggests they won’t be raised with the same bodies and these exact bodies changed in the twinkling of an eye.

    Just a thought!

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    You didn't have to directly say it, you've been saying that dead in the ground idea indirectly with your belief that the resurrection body is about flesh and blood. And don't try to say bones only, for the idea of flesh and blood is definitely about flesh bones too (marrow).




    You cannot define this matter with the single word 'spirit', for that word is NOT only just used for heavenly order beings like evil spirits or angels, but for flesh man too (1 John 4; 2 Cor.7:1; Heb.12:23; Num.16:22, etc.). It's because of how God created our spirit that is inside our flesh involving our mind, personality, etc. It's about the "spiritual body" Paul taught too. And when our Lord Jesus says the resurrection is as the angels of God in Heaven and they don't marry, THAT IS a direct comparison of the heavenly state of the angels with the resurrection.




    Yet Apostle Paul declared that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither does corruption inherit incorruption, revealing what? (1 Cor.15:50)

    When our Lord told Philip to touch Him, and that a spirit (ghost) doesn't have flesh and bones like Him, that was about His transfigured body. What do you think the main purpose of that lesson was about??? It was to PROVE to them that He had indeed been raised from the dead! Our Lord Jesus would not go against what He declared about the difference between our flesh body that dies and is buried, with flesh going back to the earthly elements where it came from, and the state Lazarus and the rich man were in with the angels carrying them to Paradise (Luke 16).
     
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    Guess what? Since you are going to accuse me of saying or indirectly saying something that I don't even believe or said, I am going to end my discussion with you. I am very weary of people who twist people words in order make false accusations.
     
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