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What is truth?

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by theefaith, Apr 26, 2022.

  1. Matthias

    Matthias Active Member

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    Why would anyone want to join the “atheistic communism” RCC or “the Protestant whore” (to use your colorful language concerning non-Catholic / non-Christian trinitarian churches)?

    Where is the “non-atheistic communism” RCC to be found?
     
  2. CadyandZoe

    CadyandZoe Well-Known Member

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    Christ is not separated from his church. The RCC is NOT his church.
     
  3. theefaith

    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    Lol!
     
  4. Matthias

    Matthias Active Member

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    You threw the RCC (and Protestant trinitarians, nothing new about that) under the proverbial bus. I offered you an out; you chose not to take it.

    btw, since you brought up Bishop Sheen, I’ve been doing some reading about him. (I used to watch his television program.) Odd life.
     
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  5. farouk

    farouk Well-Known Member

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    @Matthias God in Three Persons is indeed deeply present in Scripture.
     
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  6. Matthias

    Matthias Active Member

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    I believed that when I was a trinitarian. Ironically, Catholic scholars played a large role in helping me see that it isn’t. Church history played an even larger role.

    And then there is Jesus of Nazareth. He has a God, and his God isn’t the Trinity.
     
  7. theefaith

    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    what is the ark of salvation then?
     
  8. farouk

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    If we read John's Gospel, John's First Epistle, Romans 8, etc., we see that God in Three Persons are deeply Scriptural. The Word speaks for itself; it is not ecclesiastical "authority" that supposedly reads God in Three Persons into Scripture.
     
  9. Matthias

    Matthias Active Member

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    I read John’s Gospel, John’s First Epistle, Romans 8, etc. and I don’t see anything in them to support the idea that there is a God besides Jesus’ own God.

    Catholic scholars write about “elemental trinitarianism” in scripture - that I see and understand.
     
  10. farouk

    farouk Well-Known Member

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    Not how I would phrase it.

    God is God, in Three Persons.
     
  11. Matthias

    Matthias Active Member

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    To use your phrasing, Jesus’ God is God, in One Person.
     
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    As it happens, I was reading Paula Fredriksen’s book When Christians Were Jews: The First Generation last night. She makes a clear and simple statement about the Jesus and his relationship to the God of Israel -

    “… after conquering and subduing the gods of the nations, raising the dead and transforming the living, the messiah son of David would turn the Kingdom over to his father, Israel’s god.”

    (p. 153)

    The God of Jesus is the God of Israel.
     
  13. MatthewG

    MatthewG Well-Known Member

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    What is truth?

    That was exactly what Pilate asked Jesus, and Jesus did not say anything.

    Perhaps he pointed at himself, that is why no dialogue is there.
     
  14. farouk

    farouk Well-Known Member

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    We are not going to agree; and this is a serious matter in Scripture.
     
  15. Matthias

    Matthias Active Member

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    You may be right about that, but time will tell the tale. You still have my ear. I’m always willing to reconsider.

    I agree.
     
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    GRACE ambassador Well-Known Member

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    Interesting, using UNinspired material to come to a conclusion? How about:
    What Saith The Scripture?:

    When God Led Israel out of the bondage of Egypt, Who Was He?:

    "And The LORD Said unto Moses, Go on before the people,
    and take with thee of the elders of Israel; and thy rod,
    wherewith thou smotest the river, take in thine hand, and go.

    Behold, I Will Stand Before thee there upon the rock in Horeb;
    and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out
    of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight
    of the elders of Israel." (Exo 17:5-6)​

    Paul's "ID":

    "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant,
    how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed
    through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud
    and in the sea; And did all eat The Same Spiritual meat; And did
    all drink The Same Spiritual drink: for they drank of That Spiritual
    Rock That Followed them: and That Rock Was CHRIST." (1Co 10:1-4)​

    The LORD JESUS CHRIST Was The God Of Israel!
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    Confirmed By:
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    48. CHRIST Is Called The ROCK - 1 Corinthians 10:4. That Is Who Israel followed.
    The ROCK Who Israel followed Was GOD - Deuteronomy 32:3-4. - God is The ROCK - Psalms 18:2, and Only God Is The ROCK - Psalms 18:31. CHRIST Is God.
    +
    Further Confirmed By These Totally Harmoniously Clear And Simple:

    500 Plain Passages The LORD JESUS CHRIST Is Almighty God!

    Amen?

    GRACE And Peace...
     
  17. Matthias

    Matthias Active Member

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    Read widely. Read deeply. Read thoughtfully. Read critically.

    Jesus of Nazareth has a God and his God is the God of Israel.

    Amen?
     
  18. CadyandZoe

    CadyandZoe Well-Known Member

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    There is only one savior, Jesus Christ.
     
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    I think a closer look at the account will show that Pilate wasn't seeking information. Perhaps he was asking a rhetorical question like, "What has truth got to do with state power?" The answer seems to be, "not much if at all."
     
  20. theefaith

    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    even in the co-equal trinity there is a hierarchy
     
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