What makes us righteous?

[arunangelo]

[SIZE=medium] Love is the Spirit of God. It is the force that created everything that is good. It is also the force that propels us to sacrifice our own interest in order to serve those who have hurt and betrayed us. It is also the Spirit that makes us pure, humble, gentle, forgiving, merciful and charitable. Furthermore, it drives away hate, jealousy, lust, greed, and selfishness from our heart. When we live by this Spirit we find peace in our heart, because, it makes our spirit resonate in unison with that of God’s.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] God’s love was expressed when he took a human form and accepted the most humiliating and painful death to make us righteous. His love therefore is the very source of our righteousness. Therefore, “If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing (1 Cor. 13:1-3)”. [/SIZE]

 

[DPMartin]

This is all nice and warm and fuzzy, but, according to John “God is Love”. But I didn’t find your statement of “Love is the Spirit of God” in the NT. Hence He is what love is or is to be understood as, rather than, love is what we see it ought to be. Because the danger is that we can be manipulated into thinking that God ought to be, what we think love ought to be.

In our own judgement we are “ok” and want to be “ok”. In the judgement of other of ourselves, we can see it to be important or unimportant depending on whether we see need from the others that judge us. Like, maybe a crust of bread, and a place to sleep, or a paycheck. Therefore in the world’s judgement it is usually whether we have or have not, according to what they value that is their judgement of us.

Now in God’s Judgement we lack that which He values which is of Him, and is what His Beloved Son gave us. Therefore He values that which is of His Son which is of Him and isn’t without His Presence (Holy Spirit) Hence His Presence with you that He not destroy what He hates is His Grace and Mercy on you. Because like a loving father who would dearly love his son He loves you because the Life you have been given by virtue of being born of the Spirit of God is the Life Jesus Christ the Son of God has. Therefore, in God’s Judgement you are Righteous by virtue of His Son’s Righteousness. You know, the Justifier of us all.

What it seems most don’t understand is, the only presence justified in God’s creation is God’s Presence. All else is Justified through His Word, by the Creation and Judgement thereof through His Word.

So what is it that God Loves so dearly? Isn’t it that which is of Himself, like unto Himself? And the rest are cast out?

Couldn’t that be selfish and or arrogant, in the eyes of some? Didn’t God say without any mincing of words that He is a Jealous God? Isn’t it true that God hates certain things and also taught His People to abhor certain things?

 

[shturt678]

Well we know what doesn't make one 'righteous,' ie, "infused" or "synergistic" righteousness. Now if we could recieve a valid denotation of agape, this thread will continue to head in the 'right' direction.

Old Jack at a crossroads, ie, right or wrong?

 

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[SIZE=medium] Love is the Spirit of God. It is the force that created everything that is good. It is also the force that propels us to sacrifice our own interest in order to serve those who have hurt and betrayed us. It is also the Spirit that makes us pure, humble, gentle, forgiving, merciful and charitable. Furthermore, it drives away hate, jealousy, lust, greed, and selfishness from our heart. When we live by this Spirit we find peace in our heart, because, it makes our spirit resonate in unison with that of God’s.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] God’s love was expressed when he took a human form and accepted the most humiliating and painful death to make us righteous. His love therefore is the very source of our righteousness. Therefore, “If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing (1 Cor. 13:1-3)”. [/SIZE]

Where does all this 'love' rubbish come from? Is it stale leftovers from the greeting card industry or perhaps too many viewings of romantic comedies on the Oxygen channel? Love may provide the basis for a good chick flick, but salvation absolutely does NOT stand on love.

A short exploration of the negative aspects of the gospel of love-ish salvation might be in order at this point. Love, as expressed by most who are addicted to it, is the be all and end all for human relationships. In truth, love as expressed by these false prophets is a pretense for denying God.

Consider that when love is presented as the motivation and basis for entry into heaven that God no longer is the great judge. The love of man is thus superior to divine love, making God irrelevant and unnecessary. The purpose of the love gospel, therefore, is to remove God from the equation.

What is love anyway? Some might argue, and successfully too if they know how to present the issue, that everyone is a man or woman of love. Therefore God must allow everyone into heaven. Jesus made some very definite statements to the effect that a lot of folks simply won't make the cut.

In the French humanist movie La Regle du jeu (The Rules of the Game 1939) director Jean Renoir presented the epitome of the humanistic gospel in the form of a dialogue between two friends.

"I want to disappear into a hole."
"What? What for?"
"I wouldn't have to figure out what's good and what's evil."
"The terrible thing is that everyone has his reasons."

Everyone has his reasons? Everyone is just and right and good because everyone has his reasons? It should be pointed out that this movie, and many like it in Europe, were released just before the German war machine marched in and made tossed salad out of everyone's humanistic ideals about love. The machine gun will do that, you know. German soldiers loved Hitler. Does that mean the whole lot was righteous? I think not.

How about God? Does God have any reasons or is He not allowed any? The Bible is very emphatic when it says He does.

God is righteous. He loves righteousness above all else, certainly more than the humanistic representation of love. His righteousness required that Jesus die on the cross in payment for our sins. The man or woman who thinks love is acceptable currency in heaven doesn't understand what happened on the cross that ugly day in Jerusalem.

The blood of the lamb, of Jesus Christ, is the ONLY thing that makes any of us righteous. Does not the Bible say that no one is righteous? Does it not say that all men and women are condemned unto death because of sin? Where then does love come in as an acceptable sacrifice? It doesn't because BLOOD is the only acceptable sacrifice. Anything else is a lie and any other gospel is foolishness.

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[Axehead]

His Life (Jesus) makes us righteous.

Rom_5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. (saved by His righteous life).

And if His life is in you, then you are in Christ and if you are in Christ then you are able to turn away from the flesh and Satan and towards the Lord and walk in the Spirit and if you walk in the Spirit the "righteousness of the law" will be fulfilled in you.

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

But it all starts with Jesus and ends with Jesus for apart from Him, you can do nothing. He is the Author and Finisher of your faith.

The simplicity of Christ!

 

[williemac]

Where does all this 'love' rubbish come from? Is it stale leftovers from the greeting card industry or perhaps too many viewings of romantic comedies on the Oxygen channel? Love may provide the basis for a good chick flick, but salvation absolutely does NOT stand on love.

A short exploration of the negative aspects of the gospel of love-ish salvation might be in order at this point. Love, as expressed by most who are addicted to it, is the be all and end all for human relationships. In truth, love as expressed by these false prophets is a pretense for denying God.

Consider that when love is presented as the motivation and basis for entry into heaven that God no longer is the great judge. The love of man is thus superior to divine love, making God irrelevant and unnecessary. The purpose of the love gospel, therefore, is to remove God from the equation.

What is love anyway? Some might argue, and successfully too if they know how to present the issue, that everyone is a man or woman of love. Therefore God must allow everyone into heaven. Jesus made some very definite statements to the effect that a lot of folks simply won't make the cut.

In the French humanist movie La Regle du jeu (The Rules of the Game 1939) director Jean Renoir presented the epitome of the humanistic gospel in the form of a dialogue between two friends.

"I want to disappear into a hole."
"What? What for?"
"I wouldn't have to figure out what's good and what's evil."
"The terrible thing is that everyone has his reasons."

Everyone has his reasons? Everyone is just and right and good because everyone has his reasons? It should be pointed out that this movie, and many like it in Europe, were released just before the German war machine marched in and made tossed salad out of everyone's humanistic ideals about love. The machine gun will do that, you know. German soldiers loved Hitler. Does that mean the whole lot was righteous? I think not.

How about God? Does God have any reasons or is He not allowed any? The Bible is very emphatic when it says He does.

God is righteous. He loves righteousness above all else, certainly more than the humanistic representation of love. His righteousness required that Jesus die on the cross in payment for our sins. The man or woman who thinks love is acceptable currency in heaven doesn't understand what happened on the cross that ugly day in Jerusalem.

The blood of the lamb, of Jesus Christ, is the ONLY thing that makes any of us righteous. Does not the Bible say that no one is righteous? Does it not say that all men and women are condemned unto death because of sin? Where then does love come in as an acceptable sacrifice? It doesn't because BLOOD is the only acceptable sacrifice. Anything else is a lie and any other gospel is foolishness.

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

Rom. 5:5...hope does not disappoint because the love of God is poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit. Eph. 3:19...." to know the love of God, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God" Gal.5:22...." But the fruit of the spirit is love...(etc.)" Gal.5:14...all the law is fulfilled in this one command, to love your neighbor as yourself. 1John 3:23...." And this is His commandment; that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment" .

I am curious as to why you would coin a phrase such as 'love rubbish'. The op was not speaking of the love of man. I think a point of the op was to share that love and righteousness come from God, and stated that it was because of His love that He gave us His righteousness.

Be that as it may, righteousness does come from God as a free gift to us (Rom.5:17-19)....and finally, Phil.3:9, " and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith" (NKJ).

You agree with the op, that we are made righteous, and agree with the bible, that it was because of His blood sacrifice, but why would you disapprove of the love part, "for God so loved the world, that he gave His only begotten Son...." ?

 

[shturt678]

Rom. 5:5...hope does not disappoint because the love of God is poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit. Eph. 3:19...." to know the love of God, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God" Gal.5:22...." But the fruit of the spirit is love...(etc.)" Gal.5:14...all the law is fulfilled in this one command, to love your neighbor as yourself. 1John 3:23...." And this is His commandment; that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment" .

I am curious as to why you would coin a phrase such as 'love rubbish'. The op was not speaking of the love of man. I think a point of the op was to share that love and righteousness come from God, and stated that it was because of His love that He gave us His righteousness.

Be that as it may, righteousness does come from God as a free gift to us (Rom.5:17-19)....and finally, Phil.3:9, " and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith" (NKJ).

You agree with the op, that we are made righteous, and agree with the bible, that it was because of His blood sacrifice, but why would you disapprove of the love part, "for God so loved the world, that he gave His only begotten Son...." ?

Thank you for caring!

Combine the former with Matt.22:37, etc., I think your on to something.

Old Jack