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Featured What wonders do you think could fool the elect?

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  1. Acolyte

    Acolyte Well-Known Member

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    Matt.24:24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    With all our technology, I often wonder what signs would this verse warn of. Then, reading up on 5g tech, I learned that it can be used to create holograms. Holograms you can touch. YIKES!!
    Thousands of 5g satelites ready to be put in orbit. What ungodly uses they could be used for. Wonders in the sky?

    Thought I would ask brothers/sisters in Christ what they think these wonders might be?
    Thank you in advance... blessings to all.
     
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    Naomi25 Well-Known Member

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    Personally, I think the implication is "supernatural wonders", rather than technological ones. I believe technology will be used by the governmental order in support of AC and against the people of God, but any true "wonders" will be of the supernatural kind.
    I also see the passage as saying that it will not, in point of fact, be possible to fool the elect. Cause momentary doubt or wonderment? Maybe. But turn them away from Christ and towards the AC? No.
     
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    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    No, something simple and down to earth, according to the limited logic of men, i.e., the natural man finding the things of this world to be evidence that God is in the clay.

    He's not. He is the Potter.
     
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    Davy Well-Known Member

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    In the Greek of that Matt.24:24 verse, the phrase "false Christs" is actually the word pseudochristos, from two Greek words, pseudo meaning false, and christos which means Christ, singular. Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined the word as 'a spurious Messiah'. So the idea is really about a the coming Antichrist who will be a false Messiah.

    I believe that false Messiah will be Satan himself, on earth, in person, working those great signs and wonders to deceive. God created him with the image of man, so he looks like flesh man does, and that's how he will appear on earth, even as the two angels whom God sent to Lot in Genesis 19 appeared as young men to the sodomites.

    So what kind of great signs, wonders, and miracles could Satan work on earth to deceive with? All the signs and wonders our Lord Jesus could do at His first coming would be a comparable start.

    A supernatural working is coming upon this earth for the end, not technical gadgets mimicking those wonders. And because so many today are hung up on technology, they will easily be deceived by the real supernatural wonders that are coming by Satan and his angels when they are finally revealed on earth.
     
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    There is currently a spate of very public "resurrections" from the dead. Obviously fake....but fooling a surprising number of believers. There's that guy with the gold plated microphone.

    In the end all the fake stuff is centered on an outward sign....something the natural outward man can get a hold of.
     
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    I am always comforted by the
    " ....If it were possible..."
    Therefore , it is not possible...we will know the fake when we se it!!
     
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    Look at the many threads about the second coming and asking about the signs that it is going to happen etc
    Then look at the posts about dreams and wanting interpretation.

    There are plenty of people wanting, longing for a sign and who will believe and follow such a sign.

    They forget that when Jesus comes that is the end. Many will let their belief in a particular form of second coming blind them to the possibility thatthis 'sign' is a deception and so will be decieved.
     
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    What this can teach us is that even in the face of the spectacular and of lying wonders (whatever they may be), our joy and best attention need to be placed in the things of God and in Scripture and in the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ.
     
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    I've always suspected it could be one of or a combination of three things that causes the apostasy. First, the supposed finding of Christ's body, supposedly proven by supposed DNA evidence. Secondly, demonic beings disguised as aliens arriving on Earth and third experiencing the negative impacts as a result of many of the prophecies come true that much of the church were erroneously taught they would be "rescued" from "before" they started to happen.
     
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    Re 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
    Reminiscent of Elijah and the false prophets of Jezebel. Real fire in his day, but I think in our day a counterfeit to Pentecost. A false outpouring of the holy Spirit...a false 'latter rain'...a false Pentecost/charismatic movement that the church embraces from selfish coveting of 'gifts' and 'signs' in order to inflate their own egos, forgetting that the gifts of the holy Spirit are for service. I see many indications such has been the case for many decades and many have already been deceived. Not the elect though. There is still a remnant who haven't bowed the knee to Baal.
     
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    I will never leave you nor forsake you
     
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    :) as long as we can count to 7, know there's no 5and 3/4 trump.. that when He comes we are changed in the twinkling of an eye.. I guess we are good to go.

    Thanks all. May our Father keep us in his hands. Blessings
     
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    Not possible, like Jesus said. That's what that "insomuch that, if it were possible" means. The reason His elect cannot be deceived is because they are sealed with God's seal. Like Rev.9 shows, only those not sealed with God's seal may be stung for five months.

    Christ's elect will give a Testimony by The Holy Spirit against the beast when some are delivered up to councils and the synagogue of Satan like Jesus said (see Mark 13). That is going to be the real purpose for the cloven tongue of Pentecost at the end of this world. God is going to speak through His servants to the whole world at the end. And Jesus said to not premeditate what you say in that hour, but speak what the Holy Spirit gives you to speak.
     
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    n2thelight Well-Known Member

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    All are not the Elect,if one does not know His Word they will be deceived

    II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion , that they should believe a lie;"

    Only the sealed of God will not be deceived,in other words you will either be sealed or take the mark
     
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    n2thelight Well-Known Member

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    Question,who are the Elect?
     
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    The Elect were chosen from the foundation of the world.

    Ephesians 1:4 "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:"

    What does it mean to be "chosen"?

    It means that there are certain people that God chosen in the first earth age, to do a task for Him in this flesh earth age. This is not reincarnation, for it is appointed for each of us to go through this earth age, the flesh earth age, once and only once. We read; "...It is appointed unto men once to die [in the flesh], but after this the judgment." Hebrews 9:27 This appointing and choosing took place before the foundation of this earth age; the second earth age [cosmos] that we now live in.

    "Without blame" refers to the fact that God intercedes in certain peoples lives. Certain people have free will, while certain others are of God's election, however, God doesn't play favorites. Christ died for the sins of all who will repent; the chosen, and the free-will. All must repent for sins they commit, and love the Lord Jesus Christ, to have the hope of His glory.

    "Before the foundation of the world", [cosmos in the Greek, meaning world or earth age.] The "foundation" in the Greek text, is the verb for, "the overthrow". This refers to something that happened in that first earth age, before the overthrow of Satan and his angels that followed him. When Satan fell [war against God], one third of all angelic beings [God's children] followed Satan. Then during that war, there were some who fought against Satan, and those who did, God calls "His Chosen". They took a stand, and were overcomers in that first earth age.

    Have you ever wondered why you do the things that you do, at times. It's just like you have a destiny. You have always felt their is more to life, and this world, then what you have been taught. Paul addresses this in Romans 8:27. In verse twenty six it says that there are times in your life when the Holy Spirit makes intercession for you because you don't even know what to pray for.

    "And he that searcheth the heart knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God." Romans 8:27 These saints are "the set-aside ones", or "the chosen". God has a overall plan, and a purpose in that plan just for you. That purpose is to bring back His children to Him; after that overthrow, and in this earth age.

    Why would God intercede in a person's life, without them even asking? When your free-will goes against God's purpose for your life, God will intercede. When Paul's "free will" was to destroy all Christians, God's will was to take this highly educated man, and use Paul as the instrument for Him. Paul used to same drive to destroy Christians, that he used later to convert people, after his conversion.

    We read that the Lord said; "...For He is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and Kings, and children of Israel:" Acts 9:15

    Ephesians 1:5 "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,"

    "Predestined" means "from a prior time", or "required to do a certain thing" in the Greek text. You have a choice of loving God, or loving Satan. God will not interfere with your free will choice to chose Him or Satan. However, that person that proved himself during the overthrow of Satan, were "justified", or earned the right to be called "saints", from that first earth age.

    Each soul comes from God, and enters an embryo at conception. This is why Jeremiah was a chosen one. "Before I formed thee in the belly I know thee; and before thou comest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet of nations." Jeremiah 1:5

    "Sanctified" thee, is to "set aside, or apart for a purpose". Sins still have to be repented, and the price to pay for them still had to be made. To the predestined, and fore chosen, God can make life so miserable to those out of His will that they will repent. God has a perfect will, and God is always fair.

    "And we know that all things work together for good, to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28 This verse is directed to a certain people, with a condition attached. This applies to "them who are called according to His purpose." "His purpose" is called God's plan, and God's overall plan is the offering of Salvation to all. That plan includes the teaching of God's Word; to plant seeds to convict; to live our life for Him; and to go and speak where God leads you. God will use you as it pleases Him.

    "For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." Romans 8:29 God knew you, and what you were in that first earth age; and then [in that first earth age] God prearranged our destiny for this age. That destiny is to make us conform, or be like His Son, Jesus Christ. Though Jesus is the first fruits to overcome death, there are many that have that victory over death, through Christ's death and resurrection.

    "Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called: He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified." Romans 8:30 "Justified" means "judged" in the Greek text; God judged them there in that first earth age, and that is why God can and does intercede in the chosen's ones lives. The justified are the priests of the Zadok in the millennium age of Ezekiel 40, for the word Zadok comes from the Hebrew word meaning "the just".

    Certain of God's children stood against Satan in the first earth age, and those that did stand, and did not follow Satan; God judged [justified], and He "chose" them then to be used in His eternal plan. Through God's perfect plan, God "predestined", and "ordained" each of them to His purpose to be used in this flesh age. Each of these will also be used in the Millennium age as priests, or called the "Zadok".

    When you become a Christian, and God has given you a working over, He is trying to wake you up. God is calling out a people, His people, the "Elect-chosen, and predestined" to stand against the Antichrist [Satan] in this final generation.
     
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    "in the twinkling of an eye" implies diff things to diff ears, works on more than one level I guess
     
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    Not possible.

    In the tribulation the elect will not be here to be deceived.
     
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    You hope, my friend...
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    I know we won't be here.
     
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