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Where does the bible talk about the US?

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by Bope, Apr 16, 2006.

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  1. Bope

    Bope New Member

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    I always wondered, where does the Bible mention the western countries? I have heard many things, but not too sure what to think anymore. Help me understand.Thanks.
     
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    I was taught that when Jersulam was split up we were part of the ten lost tribes that migrated over the Caucass Moutains into the Great Brition areathen migrated from there to the U.S. alot of people think we are refered to as the tribe of Epriam in the bible.
     
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    I was taught that when Jersulam was split up we were part of the ten lost tribes that migrated over the Caucass Moutains into the Great Brition areathen migrated from there to the U.S. alot of people think we are refered to as the tribe of Epriam in the bible.
    I have heard of this, the so-called "lost" tribe(s) of Isreal. Darrel Dumas talked about that all the time.
     
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    We're all descended from them. When God told Abraham in Genesis 17:5:
    Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
    Those "many nations" that are mentioned are us and that would include the United States of America. The Caucus Mountain story is something I believe as well.As for specific verses, I think they're all in the Bible, you just have to find them.I was watching my favorite pastor last night (he comes on from 2-5 AM) and he was actually going over Jeremiah 49 and mentioned us in one of the verses. It was quite fascinating when you get down to it.Basically, here's the verse about the US found in Jeremiah 49:31...
    Arise, get you up unto the wealthy nation, that dwelleth without care, saith the LORD, which have neither gates nor bars, which dwell alone.
    I convinced that this describes America. Many scholars and pastors like to say that this has already happen but in all of its years in existence, Damascuas has not been destroyed and it's the oldest continually inhabited city in the world.I'll get deeper into this chapter in another thread.
     
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    I say to you with love, one word... context. I recommend reading the rest of the chapter and the surrounding chapters to understand this verse in its context.Ref. v. 28, verse 31 is in reference to Kedar. Wesley says in his commentary of Kedar, "Kedar - Was one of the sons of Ishmael, whose posterity inhabited part of Arabia Petraea." Verse 32 says "And their camels shall be a booty"... so I guess this could refer to the U.S. if we're going to be attacked by Hazor and they're going to pillage and take all our camels.I apologize up-front for the sarcasm but it seems to be one of the better ways to illustrate a point in this particular case.Shalom,
     
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    HammerStone Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Perhaps you should read my posts in their entire context as well along with the verse itself. (I'm saying this as politely as possible.)As referenced in Genesis 4 KJV, the sons of Ishmael led to those who dwell in tents, another name for the Arabs. This is to make a point - that the Bible commonly uses many names that symbolize other events. It's just as in Revelation, you cannot take the verses at face value. Again I say, Damascus has yet to be destroyed. If you read the context of verse 32, then clearly the camels and cattle are not of the wealthy nation but of Hazor.Jeremiah 49:28-3228 Concerning Kedar, and concerning the kingdoms of Hazor, which Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon shall smite, thus saith the LORD; Arise ye, go up to Kedar, and spoil the men of the east.29 Their tents and their flocks shall they take away: they shall take to themselves their curtains, and all their vessels, and their camels; and they shall cry unto them, Fear is on every side.30 Flee, get you far off, dwell deep, O ye inhabitants of Hazor, saith the LORD; for Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath taken counsel against you, and hath conceived a purpose against you.31 Arise, get you up unto the wealthy nation, that dwelleth without care, saith the LORD, which have neither gates nor bars, which dwell alone.32 And their camels shall be a booty, and the multitude of their cattle a spoil: and I will scatter into all winds them that are in the utmost corners; and I will bring their calamity from all sides thereof, saith the LORD.33 And Hazor shall be a dwelling for dragons, and a desolation for ever: there shall no man abide there, nor any son of man dwell in it.Notice the switch from "you" to "their" that takes place between verse 31 and 32.
     
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    Damascus fell to Nebuchadnezzar in 572 B.C., just as Jeremiah prophesied. The Babylonians maintained rule over the city until 538 B.C.Shalom,
     
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    Damascus fell, but was not destroyed. There were 3 separate prophecies written about the complete destruction of Damascus over at least a couple centuries: Isaiah 17, Jeremiah 49, Zechariah 9.Jeremiah 49:25 How is the city of praise not left, the city of my joy!Clearly from the verse about, the city is not just take, it is not left!
     
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    I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, too. I could go on and on but don't think anything I say would convince you to publicly admit you might not be right in your eisegesis. It really is OK to admit you're wrong sometimes.I hope you're not offended by my constructive criticism. I want to assure everyone reading that I'm saying these things in humility and love for a brother in Christ.Shalom,
     
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    My friend, I don't have a problem admitting I am wrong when I am wrong. With all due respect, you talk about humility yet when someone doesn't agree with you on what you believe, they're wrong - it's as simple as that. I'm letting the Bible speak for itself in this verse and if one will pay attention to it then it's quite clear what's going on. If it makes you feel better to present yourself as the authorative source on the Bible, then so be it. I will not judge. I don't claim to have a degree and I don't claim that I know everything. However, I have my beliefs in my heart and nothing short of God will change them because He is the almighty. What He told me is right there in that book and when you become a Christian, as he told Peter:Matthew 16:17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.Now, I'm not saying this because I think I am better than any of the rest of you because that would be complete nonsense. I'm not some interpreter of the Bible who can see things others cannot nor am I someone who reads the Bible as I want, or creates my own eisegesis as Lane likes to use. I pray to the Father for wisdom and understanding, then I read.
     
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    If it makes you feel better to present yourself as the authorative source on the Bible, then so be it.
    I don't think I've done that. I'm just trying to help others by encouraging them to read the Word in context. And in this case, we can put it up beside history and see the amazing parallels confirming the fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophecies. Read about Benhadad (a.k.a. Bar Haddad II, whose palaces are mentioned as consumed in v. 27), ruler over Damascus from 880 B.C. to c.843 B.C. We must understand that the prophecy concerning Damascus and the prophecies concerning Kedar and Hazor are separate prophecies... and that they were fulfilled thousands of years ago.I feel that I must let this be my final word in this particular thread. If anyone has any further questions for me about this, please feel free to PM or e-mail me. Blessings to you all and may we find blessed fellowship in other discussions.Shalom,
     
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    Well, if you see the need to bow out because are not able to convince me then so be it. I will gladly discuss my thoughts in the open.Again I go to the context of those chapters. Look again at Jeremiah 50 KJV and you'll see what I mean. Note the specific phrase "Babylon is taken" because this hasn't yet occured! Why? Because a very similar phrase occurs in Revelation 14:8! "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication." This takes place in the latter days.The verse goes on to say that the "out of the north there cometh up a nation against her [Babylon]..." and this probably is the Medo-Persian Empire under Cyrus the Great. I think you're all familiar with the information in the Bible where he releases the Jews in captivity back to Israel. However, the next verse can quickly be taken out of context:Jeremiah 49:4-5In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together going and weeping: they shall go and seek the LORD their God.They shall ask the way to Zion and their faces thitherward saying 'Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenent that shall not be forgotten.'This has not taken place. This is why these chapters must be read and studied and not given to eisegesises of any nature. It is important that these chapters be understood in their true context.
     
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