WHERE DOES THE WORD HELL COME FROM?

[Buzzfruit]

WHERE DOES THE WORD HELL COME FROM?

Webster's Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, under "Hell"
says: "from 'helan' to conceal." The word "hell" thus originally conveyed
no thought of heat or torment but simply of a 'covered over or concealed
place.' In the old English dialect the expression "helling potatoes" meant,
not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a
cellar.
Collier's Encyclopedia (1986, Vol 12, p.28) says concerning "Hell":
First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek
Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in the Old Testament
times refered simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral
distinctions, the word 'hell,' as understood today, is not a happy
translation."
The meaning given today to the word "hell" is that portrayed in Dante's
Divine Comedy and Milton's Paradise Lost, which meaning is completely
foreign to the original definition of the word. The idea of a "hell" of firey
torment, dates back long before Dante or Milton. The Grollier Universal
Encyclopedia (1971, Vol. 9,p.205) under "Hell" says: "Hindus and Buddhists
regard hell as a place of spiritual cleansing and final restoration.
Islamic tradition considers it as a place of eternal punishment." The idea
of suffering after death is found among the pagan religious teachings of
ancient peoples in Babylon and Egypt. Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs
depicted the "nether world . . . as a place full of horrors, . . . presided
over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness." Although ancient
Egyptian religious texts do not teach that the burning of any individual
victim would go on forever, they do portray the "other world" as featuring
"pits of fire" for "the damned."--The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, by
Morris Jastrow, Jr. 1898, p. 581; The Book of the Dead, 1960, pp. 135-200.
"Hellfire" has been a basic teaching in Christendom for many centuries,
it is understandable why The Encyclopedia Americana (1956, Vol XIV,p.81)
said:"Much confusion and misunderstanding has been caused by the early
translators of the Bible persistently rendering the Hebrew Sheol and the
Greek Hades and Gehenna by the word hell. The simple transliteration of
these words by the translators of the revised editions of the Bible has not
sufficed to appreciably clear up this confusion and misconception."
Nevertheless, such transliteration and consistent rendering does enable the
Bible student to make an accurate comparison of the texts in which these
original words appear and, with open mind, thereby to arrive at an
understanding of their true significance.
So, what is the 'Lake of Fire" of Revelation chapter 20? First let's
look at verse 15, it says: "Whosoever was not found written in the book of
life was cast into the lake of fire." But verse 14 says:"And death and hell
were cast into the lake of fire." Is hell itself to be tormented? And how
can death, a condition, be thrown into a literal fire? The rest of verse 14
reads: This [the lake of fire] is the second death." Rev. 21:8 repeats this
point. What is this "second death"? The Catholic Jerusalem Bible adds this
footnote concerning "the second death": "Eternal death. The fire ... is
symbolic." Very true, for it signifies complete destruction, or
annihilation.
How interresting! "Hell" is to be destroyed! Note, however, that the
Greek word used here is Hades, which, according to Strong's Exhaustive
Concordance of the Bible, means "grave." Are the dead conscious or
suffering in hell, or Hades? The Bible replies:"The dead know nothing...for
neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom,nor knowledge shall be in hell, whither
thou art hastening."--Ecclesiastes 9:5,10, Catholic Douay Version.
However you may ask "Why does Rev.20:10, say that the Devil will be
'tormented' in the lake of fire?" If, as we have seen, the lake is
symbolic, then, logically the torment is also.
In the Bible times, jailers often cruelly tortured their prisoners,
hence they were called "tormentors." In one of his illustrations, Jesus
spoke of a cruel slave as being 'delivered to jailers' (Greek, basanistes',
which actually means "tormentors" and is so rendered by the KJV at Matt.
18:34). So when Revelation speaks of the Devil and others as being
"tormented...forever" in the lake of fire, it means that they will be
"jailed" to all eternity in the second death of complete destruction. The
Devil, the death inherited from Adam, and the unrepentant wicked all are
spoken of as being destroyed eternally--"jailed" in the lake of
fire.--Compare Heb.2:14; 1 Corinthians 15:26; Psalm 37:38.
The Dogma of eternal torment is based on the immortal-soul theory.
However, the Bible clearly states: "The soul that is sinning--it shall
die."(Ezekial 18:4,20; see also Acts 3:23.) Proclaimers of hellfire have
made the true God, Jehovah, appear to be a fiend--a cruel monster--instead
of what he is: a God of love, "merciful and gracious . . . and abundant in
loving kindness."--Exodus 34:6.
Lovingly God has made provision to save men, not from torment, but from
being destroyed. Said Jesus: "God loved the world so much that he gave his
only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him not be
DESTROYED but have everlasting life.--John 3:16.
http://www.beyondweird.com/occult/hellfire.html

 

[Foreigner]

"“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels....." - Matt. 25:41

 

[veteran]

The word 'hell' does not appear in the Bible manuscripts. It was a word the KJV translators chose to represent both the abode of the wicked after death for Greek 'haides', and for the lake of fire event at the end for Greek 'limne' (pond) 'pur' (fire) per Rev.20:15, and the word 'geena' from the OT valley of Hinnom Jesus used as a symbol for the lake of fire destruction.

Tartaroo is used in 2 Peter 2:4 to describe the place of the wicked dead in torments. In Luke 16 Jesus described that very place where the "rich man" found himself after he had died.

So it doesn't matter if one calls that place hell, or haides, God's Word is clear that it's about the abode of the wicked dead.

In 1 Peter 3:19, Peter describes it with the "spirits in prison" idea in the heavenly where Jesus went and preached after His resurrection. Same Greek word phulake is used for the "prison" that Satan is locked in and then later released from in Rev.20.

No getting around it, there's a place in the heavenly where the wicked are that's like a heavenly prison.

 

[Jake]

WHERE DOES THE WORD HELL COME FROM?

Webster's Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, under "Hell"
says: "from 'helan' to conceal." The word "hell" thus originally conveyed
no thought of heat or torment but simply of a 'covered over or concealed
place.' In the old English dialect the expression "helling potatoes" meant,
not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a
cellar.
Collier's Encyclopedia (1986, Vol 12, p.28) says concerning "Hell":
First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek
Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in the Old Testament
times refered simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral
distinctions, the word 'hell,' as understood today, is not a happy
translation."
The meaning given today to the word "hell" is that portrayed in Dante's
Divine Comedy and Milton's Paradise Lost, which meaning is completely
foreign to the original definition of the word. The idea of a "hell" of firey
torment, dates back long before Dante or Milton. The Grollier Universal
Encyclopedia (1971, Vol. 9,p.205) under "Hell" says: "Hindus and Buddhists
regard hell as a place of spiritual cleansing and final restoration.
Islamic tradition considers it as a place of eternal punishment." The idea
of suffering after death is found among the pagan religious teachings of
ancient peoples in Babylon and Egypt. Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs
depicted the "nether world . . . as a place full of horrors, . . . presided
over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness." Although ancient
Egyptian religious texts do not teach that the burning of any individual
victim would go on forever, they do portray the "other world" as featuring
"pits of fire" for "the damned."--The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, by
Morris Jastrow, Jr. 1898, p. 581; The Book of the Dead, 1960, pp. 135-200.
"Hellfire" has been a basic teaching in Christendom for many centuries,
it is understandable why The Encyclopedia Americana (1956, Vol XIV,p.81)
said:"Much confusion and misunderstanding has been caused by the early
translators of the Bible persistently rendering the Hebrew Sheol and the
Greek Hades and Gehenna by the word hell. The simple transliteration of
these words by the translators of the revised editions of the Bible has not
sufficed to appreciably clear up this confusion and misconception."
Nevertheless, such transliteration and consistent rendering does enable the
Bible student to make an accurate comparison of the texts in which these
original words appear and, with open mind, thereby to arrive at an
understanding of their true significance.
So, what is the 'Lake of Fire" of Revelation chapter 20? First let's
look at verse 15, it says: "Whosoever was not found written in the book of
life was cast into the lake of fire." But verse 14 says:"And death and hell
were cast into the lake of fire." Is hell itself to be tormented? And how
can death, a condition, be thrown into a literal fire? The rest of verse 14
reads: This [the lake of fire] is the second death." Rev. 21:8 repeats this
point. What is this "second death"? The Catholic Jerusalem Bible adds this
footnote concerning "the second death": "Eternal death. The fire ... is
symbolic." Very true, for it signifies complete destruction, or
annihilation.
How interresting! "Hell" is to be destroyed! Note, however, that the
Greek word used here is Hades, which, according to Strong's Exhaustive
Concordance of the Bible, means "grave." Are the dead conscious or
suffering in hell, or Hades? The Bible replies:"The dead know nothing...for
neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom,nor knowledge shall be in hell, whither
thou art hastening."--Ecclesiastes 9:5,10, Catholic Douay Version.
However you may ask "Why does Rev.20:10, say that the Devil will be
'tormented' in the lake of fire?" If, as we have seen, the lake is
symbolic, then, logically the torment is also.
In the Bible times, jailers often cruelly tortured their prisoners,
hence they were called "tormentors." In one of his illustrations, Jesus
spoke of a cruel slave as being 'delivered to jailers' (Greek, basanistes',
which actually means "tormentors" and is so rendered by the KJV at Matt.
18:34). So when Revelation speaks of the Devil and others as being
"tormented...forever" in the lake of fire, it means that they will be
"jailed" to all eternity in the second death of complete destruction. The
Devil, the death inherited from Adam, and the unrepentant wicked all are
spoken of as being destroyed eternally--"jailed" in the lake of
fire.--Compare Heb.2:14; 1 Corinthians 15:26; Psalm 37:38.
The Dogma of eternal torment is based on the immortal-soul theory.
However, the Bible clearly states: "The soul that is sinning--it shall
die."(Ezekial 18:4,20; see also Acts 3:23.) Proclaimers of hellfire have
made the true God, Jehovah, appear to be a fiend--a cruel monster--instead
of what he is: a God of love, "merciful and gracious . . . and abundant in
loving kindness."--Exodus 34:6.
Lovingly God has made provision to save men, not from torment, but from
being destroyed. Said Jesus: "God loved the world so much that he gave his
only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him not be
DESTROYED but have everlasting life.--John 3:16.
http://www.beyondweird.com/occult/hellfire.html

Interesting, a brother and I were just discussing this, thanks for posting this information. The issue I struggled with is the word "perish", like in John 3:16, those believing on His name will not perish, where perish means to utterly destroy, if a person is utterly destroyed, it would seem that person would cease to exist.

In the concordance it says the word for hell is tartaroo:
properly, send to Tartarus (tartaros), the place of punishment fit for ony demons. Later, Tartaros came to represent eternal judgment for wicked people.

Notice, the word "later" which would indicate, the meaning was changed.

peace -

 

[Prentis]

I just read this, very interesting! Well put together.

That was one thing I had noticed before; hades in greek is the world of the dead. ALL the dead go there, it is simply the grave.

 

[Buzzfruit]

"“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels....." - Matt. 25:41

The word that is translated eternal in the Greek is αἰώνιος - aiōnios does not mean without end......the word means ages. It is similar to the Greek word αἰών - aiōn = age.

An age is an undefined period of time that can last a very long time or it can be endless. The world simply means ages and not endless. This fire will last throughout the Millennium and will expand and intensify after the White throne judgment, when God will make all things new. The entire Earth will be set on fire and even the elements will melt because of the great heat, and there will be no more sea.

2 Peter 3:10 (KJV)
[sup]10 [/sup]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 21:1 (ASV)
[sup]1 [/sup]And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth are passed away; and the sea is no more.

And since flesh cannot keep burning endlessly the bodies will simply be consumed in the flames and ash will remain.

It will be the Earth that will be set ablaze and the fire will consume them. The saints won't be harmed because by that time they will be immortal and the fire cannot hurt them. The wicked will become ashes under our feet.

Malachi 4:1-3 (ESV)
[sup]1 [/sup]"For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.
[sup]2 [/sup]But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall.
[sup]3 [/sup]And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts.

 

[brionne]

"“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels....." - Matt. 25:41

if the word used by Jesus simply meant the 'grave'....then when he said the above, he could only have been speaking symbolically of the 'grave'.

Fire is a destructive force just as the grave is destructive to the physical body. Some people will be forever interned in the grave/hell because they will not be brought back to life, God will keep them there eternally. For them it means eternal destruction... as when something is destroyed by fire.

 

[Buzzfruit]

Interesting, a brother and I were just discussing this, thanks for posting this information. The issue I struggled with is the word "perish", like in John 3:16, those believing on His name will not perish, where perish means to utterly destroy, if a person is utterly destroyed, it would seem that person would cease to exist.

In the concordance it says the word for hell is tartaroo:
properly, send to Tartarus (tartaros), the place of punishment fit for ony demons. Later, Tartaros came to represent eternal judgment for wicked people.

Notice, the word "later" which would indicate, the meaning was changed.

peace -

Yes, unfortunately words evolves and meaning change. So it is always good to go back and see what was meant when whatever word was first written.

I just read this, very interesting! Well put together.

That was one thing I had noticed before; hades in greek is the world of the dead. ALL the dead go there, it is simply the grave.

It’s a little more than that. Yes, the body goes to the grave but the spirit (saint or sinner )goes back to God. If you notice with the story that Jesus told of Lazarus and the rich man; the rich man was able to see and talk to Lazarus......they are in the same place but a gulf separated them.

Luke 16:19-31 (ASV)
[sup]19 [/sup]Now there was a certain rich man, and he was clothed in purple and fine linen, faring sumptuously every day:
[sup]20 [/sup]and a certain beggar named Lazarus was laid at his gate, full of sores,
[sup]21 [/sup]and desiring to be fed with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table; yea, even the dogs come and licked his sores.
[sup]22 [/sup]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and that he was carried away by the angels into Abraham's bosom: and the rich man also died, and was buried.
[sup]23 [/sup]And in Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[sup]24 [/sup]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.
[sup]25 [/sup]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things: but now here he is comforted and thou art in anguish.
[sup]26 [/sup]And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, that they that would pass from hence to you may not be able, and that none may cross over from thence to us.
[sup]27 [/sup]And he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house;
[sup]28 [/sup]for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
[sup]29 [/sup]But Abraham saith, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
[sup]30 [/sup]And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one go to them from the dead, they will repent.
[sup]31 [/sup]And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, if one rise from the dead.

So the body dies but the spirit is someplace beyond the reach of the living......they are dead to us but they (the spirit of the dead) are able communicate with each other.

 

[brionne]

Jesus told of Lazarus and the rich man; the rich man was able to see and talk to Lazarus......they are in the same place but a gulf separated them.

i dont put too much stock in reading the parable as a literal one. It was a story to explain a spiritual truth like many other of Jesus parables.


The fact is that the hebrew scriptures plainly state that the dead are not conscious of anything at Eccl 5:9

So when we die, we become unconscious...therefore we cannot be aware of anything going on around us, and we certainly cannot be having tea parties with God in the heavens.


It also renders the scriptural teaching about the 'resurrection' as completely useless because if no one ever really dies, then there is no need for a resurrection, which means to become living. Just think about the resurrections that Jesus performed....those people came back to life in their physical bodies. That is what the resurrection is. Lazarus had died, Jesus said he was 'sleeping' but that he would awaken him from 'sleep'. So death is like a sleep condition.

 

[Duckybill]

Why would God make up a HORROR story as in Luke 16?

 

[Buzzfruit]

i dont put too much stock in reading the parable as a literal one. It was a story to explain a spiritual truth like many other of Jesus parables.


The fact is that the hebrew scriptures plainly state that the dead are not conscious of anything at Eccl 5:9

So when we die, we become unconscious...therefore we cannot be aware of anything going on around us, and we certainly cannot be having tea parties with God in the heavens.


It also renders the scriptural teaching about the 'resurrection' as completely useless because if no one ever really dies, then there is no need for a resurrection, which means to become living. Just think about the resurrections that Jesus performed....those people came back to life in their physical bodies. That is what the resurrection is. Lazarus had died, Jesus said he was 'sleeping' but that he would awaken him from 'sleep'. So death is like a sleep condition.

That is not a parable.......in a parable even the characters are not real…..Just read Jesus’ parables and you will that no name is mentioned. But Lazarus and Abraham are real people. When the Old Testament speaks of the dead as not being aware of anything it is speaking in terms of the body and from our perspective. The body is dead and is no more aware of the world around them. But that scripture you post does not relevant to this topic.......the dead is not even mentioned in it.

 

[veteran]

Interesting, a brother and I were just discussing this, thanks for posting this information. The issue I struggled with is the word "perish", like in John 3:16, those believing on His name will not perish, where perish means to utterly destroy, if a person is utterly destroyed, it would seem that person would cease to exist.

In the concordance it says the word for hell is tartaroo:
properly, send to Tartarus (tartaros), the place of punishment fit for ony demons. Later, Tartaros came to represent eternal judgment for wicked people.

Notice, the word "later" which would indicate, the meaning was changed.

peace -

Note how 2 Peter 2:4 uses that Greek word 'tartaroo'...

2 Pet 2:4
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
(KJV)

The angels don't have flesh bodies that fit men's traditions of the dead. So what's that place where God cast those angels into darkness?

 

[brionne]

That is not a parable.......in a parable even the characters are not real…..Just read Jesus’ parables and you will that no name is mentioned. But Lazarus and Abraham are real people. When the Old Testament speaks of the dead as not being aware of anything it is speaking in terms of the body and from our perspective. The body is dead and is no more aware of the world around them. But that scripture you post does not relevant to this topic.......the dead is not even mentioned in it.

Would a real character who is suffering in a burning fire ask for 'one drop of water' to relieve his suffering?

Can a person who is locked away in hell look up into heaven and still talk to God? Is not hell a place for the wicked who are supposed to be 'separated' from God?

The story is a parable to teach of a change in the spiritual condition of the Jews. When Jesus arrived, his preaching tormented the self righteous religious leaders (abraham) who viewed the poor people (lazarus) as worthless and pitiful.
Jesus showed that God had shown favor to the poor by opening the door of the kingdom to them, while the self righteous religious leaders had been locked out of the kingdom because they were wicked.

 

[Prentis]

Would a real character who is suffering in a burning fire ask for 'one drop of water' to relieve his suffering?

Can a person who is locked away in hell look up into heaven and still talk to God? Is not hell a place for the wicked who are supposed to be 'separated' from God?

The story is a parable to teach of a change in the spiritual condition of the Jews. When Jesus arrived, his preaching tormented the self righteous religious leaders (abraham) who viewed the poor people (lazarus) as worthless and pitiful.
Jesus showed that God had shown favor to the poor by opening the door of the kingdom to them, while the self righteous religious leaders had been locked out of the kingdom because they were wicked.

Wow... I like what you said. Never thought of that. Interesting angle!

 

[Duckybill]

Would a real character who is suffering in a burning fire ask for 'one drop of water' to relieve his suffering?

He was obviously QUITE desperate. So yes indeed.

Can a person who is locked away in hell look up into heaven and still talk to God? Is not hell a place for the wicked who are supposed to be 'separated' from God?

Revelation 14:9-11 (NKJV)
9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

The story is a parable to teach of a change in the spiritual condition of the Jews. When Jesus arrived, his preaching tormented the self righteous religious leaders (abraham) who viewed the poor people (lazarus) as worthless and pitiful.
Jesus showed that God had shown favor to the poor by opening the door of the kingdom to them, while the self righteous religious leaders had been locked out of the kingdom because they were wicked.

That doesn't even sound like the same account at all.

 

[brionne]

Wow... I like what you said. Never thought of that. Interesting angle!

there is further evidence in the account it is not a literal story. Notice this part:

The rich man looking up to heaven speaks to God and asks for a drop of water, then says: "I am in anguish in this blazing fire.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you received in full your good things in your lifetime, but Laz′a‧rus correspondingly the injurious things. Now, however, he is having comfort here but you are in anguish. 26 And besides all these things, a great chasm has been fixed between us and YOU people, so that those wanting to go over from here to YOU people cannot, neither may people cross over from there to us.
Notice the part I bolded.... Jesus is now speaking about a 'group' of people....not just the one rich man who the story is about. The group of people were those who rejected the messiah, the religious leaders who viewed the poor with contempt. Those who were spiritually poor accepted Jesus and they benefited, but the rich ones rejected him so they lost the favored position they once had.

Would a real character who is suffering in a burning fire ask for 'one drop of water' to relieve his suffering?

Can a person who is locked away in hell look up into heaven and still talk to God? Is not hell a place for the wicked who are supposed to be 'separated' from God?

The story is a parable to teach of a change in the spiritual condition of the Jews. When Jesus arrived, his preaching tormented the self righteous religious leaders (the rich man) who viewed the poor people (lazarus) as worthless and pitiful.
Jesus showed that God had shown favor to the poor by opening the door of the kingdom to them, while the self righteous religious leaders had been locked out of the kingdom because they were wicked.

I just realised i put 'abraham' in brackets when it is supposed to be the 'rich man'... so i'll edit that now

 

[Buzzfruit]

Would a real character who is suffering in a burning fire ask for 'one drop of water' to relieve his suffering?

Can a person who is locked away in hell look up into heaven and still talk to God? Is not hell a place for the wicked who are supposed to be 'separated' from God?

The story is a parable to teach of a change in the spiritual condition of the Jews. When Jesus arrived, his preaching tormented the self righteous religious leaders (abraham) who viewed the poor people (lazarus) as worthless and pitiful.
Jesus showed that God had shown favor to the poor by opening the door of the kingdom to them, while the self righteous religious leaders had been locked out of the kingdom because they were wicked.

The Hell that you are have in mind is not the Hell that they are in. The Greek word is ᾅδης - hadēs and is referred to as the place for the departed souls. All the dead; saints and sinner are there. But the Hell that Jesus spoke about the wicked being caste into is the Greek word γέεννα - geenna. It comes from the word Ge-Hinnom or Hinnom. It's a place in Jerusalem where garbage and dead bodies were burnt. This is the ultimate fate of the wicked. But that is not what is happening with the rich man. We don't know what he is referring to as flames, where he is because what exist there is beyond what the living have ever seen or can know, but nevertheless he was in agony because of it. So it is not literal flames but it can feel like it.

And there is no separation from God because God is omnipresent......the only way a person can be separated from God is by annotation......inexistence.....where nether body and soul exist. God is the sustainer of all that exist......even the angels and Satan's existence is sustained by God.

 

[Insight]

WHERE DOES THE WORD HELL COME FROM?

Ducky

 

[Duckybill]

Ducky

It would have been a great privilege to have written the NT. But I didn't. But I have read it enough to know that the eternal fire is consistent within the NT.

Thus said Jesus:

Matthew 5:22 (NKJV)
22 But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

 

[Insight]

the only way a person can be separated from God is by annotation......inexistence.....where nether body and soul exist. God is the sustainer of all that exist......even the angels and Satan's existence is sustained by God.

And you actually believe this???