Where Is Joan Rivers Now?

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Ms. Rivers' religion of choice was Judaism; and if you're a Christian reading
this I shouldn't have to tell you what that means.

†. John 14:6 . . I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to
the Father, but through me.

Heaven is sometimes depicted as the peak of a high mountain. All around
the base of the mountain are roads leading to the peak. But according to
Christ; only one road makes it up there; and all the other ones are dead ends
and cul-de-sacs.

Hell can be depicted as a vast pit, deep and wide, with many roads around
the edge leading to the bottom. According to Christ, every one of those
roads make it down there.

What Is Joan Rivers Thinking Right Now?

If Christians can safely assume the worst; then it is very easy to guess what
Joan Rivers might be thinking right now because she left behind a daughter
for whom she cared a great deal.

†. Luke 16:27-28 . . And the rich man said: I beg you, Father, that you send
Lazarus to my father's house-- for I have five brothers --that he may warn
them, lest they also come to this place of torment.

I should think that one of the pains of hell is the agonizing anxiety that
departed relatives feel for their families; having no way to contact them and
let them know where they are and/or how they're doing.

Here's a cute story I heard once. I don't know if it's true; but I guess it
could be.

A boozing farmer went out to his barn in the dead of night after a snowfall to
sneak a pull from his liquor bottle. Just as he got to the barn door he heard
something behind him. Turning, the farmer recognized his little boy coming
towards him. In amazement he asked the little guy how he ever managed to
find his way out to the barn in the dark. His son replied: It was easy; I
walked in your footsteps.

Melissa Rivers' religion of choice is Judaism; the same as her mother's.


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[Enquirer]

I reckon she's feeling a little toasty right now ... wishing she had listened and acted on the Gospel message she
must have heard at least once in her 80 year lifespan.

 

[Thunderkat]

I asked about the subject of Judaism before and a pastor told me that they could make it to Heaven. They are after all God's chosen people and Jesus came to them first. They are waiting for the Messiah and anxiously waiting for his return. God chose them to kill his Son and he had to blind them to who Jesus was at the time otherwise they would have defended him rather than kill him so he could rise again. This is what a pastor told me once when I asked. God is fair though and I doubt he would blind a group to Jesus' identity and then condemn them for it.

 

[Webers_Home]

I asked about the subject of Judaism before and a pastor told me that they
could make it to Heaven.

Judaism is not a race of people like Eskimos, Pygmies, Aztecs, Arabs, etc.
No; Judaism is a religious philosophy right up there on the chart with
Christianity, Mormonism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam, et al.

I want to make it very clear that post #1 does not denigrate Jews; it denigrates
Judaism. Had post #1 denigrated Jews; it would be anti-Semitic, and I would
be in trouble for hate speech.

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[Madad21]

I would be in trouble for hate speech.

Yeah but somebody would have to be listening to you for that to happen! :lol:

Man Im on fire today..oh...pardon the pun!!

thank you, thank you very much, I will be here all week.

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

I asked about the subject of Judaism before and a pastor told me that they could make it to Heaven. They are after all God's chosen people and Jesus came to them first. They are waiting for the Messiah and anxiously waiting for his return. God chose them to kill his Son and he had to blind them to who Jesus was at the time otherwise they would have defended him rather than kill him so he could rise again. This is what a pastor told me once when I asked. God is fair though and I doubt he would blind a group to Jesus' identity and then condemn them for it.

I agree. This thread is vain speculation. God will judge each person according to their works. I swear, those who think that how a person lives has nothing to do with salvation don't see this when they read the Bible.

Revelation 20:12,13
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.


Matthew 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Revelation 2:23
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works

Romans 2:6
Who will render to every man according to his deeds

It's not that belief is not important, it's that faith is exhibited by our works, responding to God's love and grace in our lives. Not everyone will reach full mental assent of the gospel of Christ in this lifetime, but everyone who loved God in this lifetime will not have done so in vain. It's why the Bible time and time again focuses on how we live our life, whether it be of conscience, courage, charity, and humility or it be selfishness, covetousness, and greed. It's why St. James said that faith without works is dead and that a man is saved by WORKS and not faith alone. Consider what Jesus taught us in Matthew 25:

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Here we see again that salvation is determined by how we treated our fellow man. The problem is that Evangelicals insist that when somebody dies, then "Time is up!" almost like we're taking a test in school and when the buzzer rings, those who didn't finish yet fail the test. All come to God through Jesus Christ alone, but not everyone reaches full knowledge of Christ in this lifetime. But when God examines their life, He will be looking for signs that a person responded to grace evidenced by living a life of kindness to others.

Your pastor is right. God is a righteous judge and will make final judgment according to his standards, not ours.

 

[Webers_Home]

Revelation 20:12,13 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;
and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the
book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were
written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead
which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in
them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

The Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 is only for the dead.
The living won't be involved in it.

†. John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe
in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for
their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

Webster's defines "never' as not ever, at no time, not in any degree, and not
under any condition

It's ironic that you quote Jesus as an expert witness in matters pertaining to
the Judgment, yet cannot bring yourself to accept as fact his statements in
John 5:24 and in John 14:6; which suggests to me that in your mind Christ
is a man of questionable integrity who can't be trusted to always tell the
truth.

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†. Ecc 7:4 . . The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the
heart of fools is in the house of mirth.

Some may feel that Hell isn't an appropriate topic at a funeral. But I think
that, other than Xmas and Easter, you couldn't pick a better time to bring it
up, since according to Matt 7:13-14, Matt 22:14, and Luke 13:22-24; the
majority is headed there.

†. Ecc 7:2 . . It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house
of gaiety, for death is the destiny of every man; the living should take this
seriously.

As I watched some of the splendor and pomp of President Gerald Ford's
funeral back in January of 2007, I couldn't help but wonder if he was in a
position to really appreciate it; as I suspect people in Hell would certainly no
longer really care anymore whether they were given an unknown pauper's
disposal in a City incinerator, or reverently placed in a grand tomb in the
National Cemetery with world-wide television coverage.

This week in the media, Joan Rivers is being given a really big send-off; but
I can't help but wonder that if she could see it all; would it really be any
consolation?

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[KingJ]

All God fearing people are in some way fulfilling James 4:8. We must be slow to conclude any God fearing person is in hell. Sure, James 4:8 leads to 1 Cor 12:3. But whose to say they didn't meet Christ ion their deathbed. The deathbed is for many the only time they actually deal with the reality of God and Jesus.

Take Robin Williams for example. I believe he would accept Jesus on his deathbed. But ultimately God is good and just. God knows best. Let's NOT assume anything PLEASE.

 

[Webers_Home]

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It's tragic when the whole 81 years of someone's life was frittered away in
vanity and ribaldry while passing the time waiting for transportation to the
next level of their existence. And though Rivers' religion of choice was
Judaism, she really didn't think much of it. Had she taken it seriously, she
might have been influenced by this rather disturbing statute written into the
Jews' covenanted law.

"Cursed is who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out."
(Deut 27:26)

That curse is not something to be taken lightly because God is contracted
with the Jews to carry it out. Should God fail to carry it out, He'd be in
breach of contract and subject to the very same curse. The ultimate end of
that curse is the passage below.

"All humanity will come to worship me from week to week and from month
to month. And as they go out, they will see the dead bodies of those who
have rebelled against me. For the worms that devour them will never die,
and the fire that burns them will never go out. All who pass by will view
them with utter horror." (Isa 66:22-24)


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[aspen]

can we rename this thread "Lets take some time to be judgmental!"

 

[Webers_Home]

can we rename this thread "Lets take some time to be judgmental!"

I rather think that the name "Let's all be chicken" would be more
appropriate. The reason being that so many people in the Christian
community are so afraid of appearing judgmental that they no longer
have the guts to take God seriously.

According to post #1, Rivers' religion of choice was Judaism. However, as
anyone familiar with her manner of life can easily verify, the woman was
secular to the bone. According to Yhvh's testimony as an expert witness in
all matters pertaining to scofflaws; the covenant that His people agreed
upon with God as per Deut 29:8-14; provides neither atonement nor
forgiveness for Jews in the secular category.

"And the kohen shall atone for the erring soul which sinned inadvertently
before the Lord, so as to atone on his behalf, and it shall be forgiven him.
One law shall apply to anyone who sins inadvertently from the native born
of the children of Israel and the proselyte who resides among them.

But if a person should act highhandedly, whether he is a native born or a
proselyte, he is blaspheming the Lord, and that soul shall be cut off from
among its people. For he has scorned the word of the Lord and violated His
commandment; that soul shall be utterly cut off; for its iniquity is upon it."
(Num 15:28-31, Chabad.org)


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[Webers_Home]

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Num 15:28-31 was reiterated in the letter to Hebrews to persuade the
author's Jewish countrymen to seek refuge from the wrath of God via
Christ's crucifixion. (Heb 10:26-27)

"Let it be known to you, brethren, that through him forgiveness of sins is
proclaimed to you, and through him everyone who believes is freed from all
things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses. (Acts
13:38-39)


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[This Vale Of Tears]

The Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 is only for the dead.
The living won't be involved in it.

I have some terrible news for you, which you apparently haven't anticipated or considered. You'll soon be dead yourself. So will I.

can we rename this thread "Lets take some time to be judgmental!"

That would have been a more apropos title, yes.

 

[Thunderkat]

can we rename this thread "Lets take some time to be judgmental!"

LOL, here is a good quote from A Knight's Tale:

Wat: You have been weighed.
Roland: You have been measured.
Kate: And you have absolutely...
Chaucer: Been found wanting.
William: Welcome to New World. God save you, if it is right that he should do so.

 

[rockytopva]

I reckon she's feeling a little toasty right now ... wishing she had listened and acted on the Gospel message she
must have heard at least once in her 80 year lifespan.

Agreed... Same thing for Elvis. So many people think because someone is popular on earth that somehow they are in tight with God.

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

Others think because someone is popular on earth they're going straight to hell. The vanity of this discussion sickens me and I'm certain angers the Lord.

 

[Michael Holder]

According to the Bible, when we die we are basically asleep in the grave and know nothing until resurection day. At that point we shall be judged and sent to ourfinal destination.

 

[Angelina]

According to the Bible, when we die we are basically asleep in the grave and know nothing until resurection day. At that point we shall be judged and sent to ourfinal destination.

"Soul Sleep" is a doctrine I totally oppose. Our God is a God of the living not the dead or the sleeping... Matthew 8:11, Matthew 22:32

Where is Joan Rivers Now?

I don't think that's any of our business...our business is to listen to God and obey his will while we are still in the land of the living.

 

[Webers_Home]

I don't think that's any of our business

The OP isn't meant to give you business: it's meant to give you something to
think about. If you were at all confident that God's son is a man of integrity
who can be trusted to always tell the truth; you'd know where Joan Rivers
is. The Lord's words and grammar convey information: if they didn't; then
writing them down and/or quoting them would serve no useful purpose.

our business is to listen to God and obey his will while we are still in the land
of the living.

You speak of listening to God and obeying His will? Well; according to His
voice, on record at Matt 17:5, it is God's will to heed his son; which implies
trusting that what His son says is true and reliable.


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