1 Peter 5:13
The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.
The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.
Where was the church at Babylon?
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Robert Gwin
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Ooh, let me take a stab at it sir, is it in Babylon?
Actually it was in Babylon. At the time it was written, Josephus recorded that many of Jehovah's people lived in Babylon in the first century.
no way! peter never went there, it was a code word for rome! The pagan Roman Empire was mystery babylon
Davy
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Funny.
Could Peter have used "Babylon" as a euphemism for Rome? It is more than likely, since there was no actual church at Babylon.
Davy
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The context of 1 Peter 5:13 is self-explanatory. All one need do is think a little bit...
1 Peter 5:13-14
13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.
14 Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.
KJV
Yeah, Peter was speaking to the "church that is at Babylon", and it did not have to mean a specific building like we're used to today. The early Church often held 'Church'... in their HOMES! And it was considered wherever they came together to worship, THAT was Church. It's simple.
1 Peter 5:13-14
13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.
14 Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.
KJV
Yeah, Peter was speaking to the "church that is at Babylon", and it did not have to mean a specific building like we're used to today. The early Church often held 'Church'... in their HOMES! And it was considered wherever they came together to worship, THAT was Church. It's simple.
Robert Gwin
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Of course we are not infallible sir, therefore we may be in error, but Jehovah's witnesses believe that Peter was in Babylon when he penned those 2 Bible books.
I will say that most faiths believe Peter was never in Babylon, so I understand why you question it.
Robert Gwin
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May I ask how JW's are not Biblical. Yes sir we agree there is only one faith (church), and likely you may agree that the Bible identifies it. Would you like to see how the Bible clearly identifies the people of God?
universal
JW’s never existed till a 150 some odd years ago and has never been universal!
Ziggy
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We know the early church was scattered all over Asia.
Some Greece and Turkey, Syria, Iraq...
This is the physical location of Babylon...
Which if you follow the rivers in Genesis chapter one... it's also the Garden of Eden.
Interesting..
Imagine a war in the heart of Eden... shock and awe even.... just saying.
Babylon is the most famous city from ancient Mesopotamia whose ruins lie in modern-day Iraq 59 miles (94 kilometres) southwest of Baghdad. The name is thought to derive from bav-il or bav-ilim which, in the Akkadian language of the time, meant 'Gate of God' or 'Gate of the Gods' and 'Babylon' coming from Greek..
You ever wonder where Nimrod built his Tower to the Gods?
I love archeology.. I wish I had had a chance to learn and participate in it.
The ancient city owes its fame (or infamy) to the many references the Bible makes to it; all of which are unfavourable. In the Book of Genesis, chapter 11, Babylon is featured in the story of The Tower of Babel and the Hebrews claimed the city was named for the confusion which ensued after God caused the people to begin speaking in different languages so they would not be able to complete their great tower to the heavens (the Hebrew word bavel means 'confusion').
Babylon also appears prominently in the biblical books of Daniel, Jeremiah, and Isaiah, among others, and, most notably, The Book of Revelation. It was these biblical references which sparked interest in Mesopotamian archaeology and the expedition by the German archaeologist Robert Koldewey who first excavated the ruins of Babylon in 1899 CE.
Outside of the sinful reputation given it by the Bible, the ancient city is known for its impressive walls and buildings, its reputation as a great seat of learning and culture, the formation of a code of law which pre-dates the Mosaic Law, and for the Hanging Gardens of Babylon which were man-made terraces of flora and fauna, watered by machinery, which were cited by ancient writers as one of the Seven Wonders of the World.
Babylon
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Some Greece and Turkey, Syria, Iraq...
This is the physical location of Babylon...
Which if you follow the rivers in Genesis chapter one... it's also the Garden of Eden.
Interesting..
Imagine a war in the heart of Eden... shock and awe even.... just saying.
Babylon is the most famous city from ancient Mesopotamia whose ruins lie in modern-day Iraq 59 miles (94 kilometres) southwest of Baghdad. The name is thought to derive from bav-il or bav-ilim which, in the Akkadian language of the time, meant 'Gate of God' or 'Gate of the Gods' and 'Babylon' coming from Greek..
You ever wonder where Nimrod built his Tower to the Gods?
I love archeology.. I wish I had had a chance to learn and participate in it.
The ancient city owes its fame (or infamy) to the many references the Bible makes to it; all of which are unfavourable. In the Book of Genesis, chapter 11, Babylon is featured in the story of The Tower of Babel and the Hebrews claimed the city was named for the confusion which ensued after God caused the people to begin speaking in different languages so they would not be able to complete their great tower to the heavens (the Hebrew word bavel means 'confusion').
Babylon also appears prominently in the biblical books of Daniel, Jeremiah, and Isaiah, among others, and, most notably, The Book of Revelation. It was these biblical references which sparked interest in Mesopotamian archaeology and the expedition by the German archaeologist Robert Koldewey who first excavated the ruins of Babylon in 1899 CE.
Outside of the sinful reputation given it by the Bible, the ancient city is known for its impressive walls and buildings, its reputation as a great seat of learning and culture, the formation of a code of law which pre-dates the Mosaic Law, and for the Hanging Gardens of Babylon which were man-made terraces of flora and fauna, watered by machinery, which were cited by ancient writers as one of the Seven Wonders of the World.
Babylon
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@Ziggy Babylon as a symbol seems to symbolize a mixing of all sorts of influences - commercial, political and supposedly spiritual - withing one, huge conglomerate: in the NT, in 1 Corinthians 10.32, we see Jews, Gentiles and the church of God as distinct.
Ziggy
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Babylon was a code word for the pagan Roman Empire Peter died in Rome or mystery babylon
Ziggy
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Robert Gwin
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Strange, I could have sworn that Isaiah 43:10 was penned prior to that sir, but what do I know.
quietthinker
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