WHO ARE THE TWO WITNESSES IN REVELATION ?
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A member of this board has publicly stated that the two witnesses will appear in the Springtime of next year. Their appearance will be, he says, unmistakeable. If what he asserts is true then you’ll know them - we’ll all know them - in a very short while now.
Earburner
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Yes, today we call them the Old Testament and the New Testament, respectively. One or both may be on any one (or possibly all) of... your bookshelf, coffee table, and/or bedside table.
To be more clear, in agreement with Revelation as a whole, we find here in Revelation 11 a symbolic vision of Christian witness. rather than two individuals, past, present or future. The two witnesses are two lampstands (Revelation 11:4). The pattern here is that of Zechariah 4:1-14 (two olive trees on the right and left of the lampstand), and Moses and Elijah (two men who represented the Law and the Prophets and thus the whole of the Old Testament, last seen at Jesus's transfiguration), and the lampstand churches of Revelation 1:20 (there are seven lampstand churches which together make up the second lampstand). So the two witnesses are as follows:
- The "first witness" of Revelation 11 is Israel as it was before the coming of Christ ~ Old Israel, the Israelites, the Old Testament, ethnic Jews only
- The "second witness" of Revelation 11 is Israel as it exists now since the coming of coming, crucifixion, and resurrection of Christ and the coming of the Holy Spirit ~ New Israel, all the Israel of God, the New Testament Church of Jesus Christ, which includes Jew and Gentile
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RLT63
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Okay a member of the board. When I fist saw that I thought you meant a staff member.
RLT63
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I've seen this answer before from SDAsYes, today we call them the Old Testament and the New Testament, respectively. One or both may be on any one (or possibly all) of your bookshelf, coffee table, or bedside table.
Grace and peace to all.
I’m sorry about the confusion. The member I was referring to isn’t a staff member. I should have been more clear about that in my post.
Thanks for letting me know. I appreciate the feedback. If you thought that then very likely others did, or may have, too.
Maybe so, but I am most assuredly not a Seventh-Day Adventist. But hey, SDAs do have some things right...
Grace and peace to you, RLT.
So that makes it authoritative?
Was what they said inspired by God? Just, um, hackin' at ya. Grace and peace, Matthias.
So that makes it authoritative?
Grace and peace, Matthias.
No. I’ve challenged it and he maintains that it is absolutely certain. Everyone will know if he’s right or wrong in a few months. Most importantly, he will know. I’ve expressed my concern for him when his prophecy fails, as I believe it will. He doubled down. The fall will be a hard one.
Okay, so he says it's absolutely certain, but acknowledges the possibility that he may be wrong?
Hey, does he claim to be the second coming of Harold Camping?
Grace and peace to you.
Earburner
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The two witnesses are John the Baptist and Jesus.Yes, today we call them the Old Testament and the New Testament, respectively. One or both may be on any one (or possibly all) of... your bookshelf, coffee table, and/or bedside table.
To be more clear, in agreement with Revelation as a whole, we find here in Revelation 11 a symbolic vision of Christian witness. rather than two individuals, past, present or future. The two witnesses are two lampstands (Revelation 11:4). The pattern here is that of Zechariah 4:1-14 (two olive trees on the right and left of the lampstand), and Moses and Elijah (two men who represented the Law and the Prophets and thus the whole of the Old Testament, last seen at Jesus's transfiguration), and the lampstand churches of Revelation 1:20 (there are seven lampstand churches which together make up the second lampstand). So the two witnesses are as follows:
1. Grace and peace to all.
- The "first witness" of Revelation 11 is Israel as it was before the coming of Christ ~ Old Israel, the Israelites, the Old Testament, ethnic Jews only
- The "second witness" of Revelation 11 is Israel as it exists now since the coming of coming, crucifixion, and resurrection of Christ and the coming of the Holy Spirit ~ New Israel, all the Israel of God, the New Testament Church of Jesus Christ, which includes Jew and Gentile
They are the only two people, who ever had the Holy Spirit upon their physical birth.
They quite literally do fulfill the prophecy of the Two Anointed ones in KJV Zechariah 4[14] Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand [fast, firm] by [for] the LORD of the whole earth.
2. When heaven opened, and Jesus was transfigured before the disciples that were present, they saw two angels, as Jesus said they would.
John 1:51.
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Earburner
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"All the churches have some of His truth, but none of the churches have all of His truth"- Earburner.Maybe so, but I am most assuredly not a Seventh-Day Adventist. But hey, SDAs do have some things right...
Grace and peace to you, RLT.
"There can always be more than one lie, but there can never be more than one truth".- Earburner
Disagree. Have you ever witnessed, Earburner? Are you a witness for Christ and the Gospel? If so, then that makes you an agent of the second witness, which, again, is not to say that the second witness is actually a person, past present or future.
Generally, I agree, but certainly some have much more than others. And some "churches" have virtually no truth.
Grace and peace to you.
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