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Who is Jesus to Mr. Kanye West?

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  1. *Light*

    *Light* Member

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    Hello Family of God,

    Kanye West Calls Himself the 'Greatest Artist That God Has Ever Created' at Joel Osteen's Service

    But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth [THE LORD JESUS] (Grk. Kurion Iesoun; i.e., "Jesus is LORD"], and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with [THE HEART] man believeth unto righteousness; and with [THE MOUTH] confession is made unto salvation." (Romans 10:8-10)

    "Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble." (1 Peter 5:5)

    Not only do we find the words of Mr. West POMPOUS (i.e., "the GREATEST artist that god has ever created") -- but he refers to Jesus Christ as "king" -- but who is Jesus Christ? He is LORD! And without acknowledging this from the HEART (cf. Jer. 17:9-10; Matt. 24:48-51; Jn. 20:29) -- and not with lip service ONLY, one cannot be saved: they are inextricable linked.

    "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but [THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME]. But [IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME], teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." (Matthew 15:8-9)

    TRUE confession must come from the heart of the confessing/professing SINNER, and Jesus Christ is to be GLORIFIED above all, first and foremost. Even more disturbing, we find him partnering with a wolf in sheep clothing (i.e., "Joel Osteen") -- who will lead MANY down the broad way towards destruction; those who live for their selfish, carnal, and worldly appetites are under the delusion that they belong to God and Christ, but when the fiery trials come their way . . . they will reveal their true colors as the false converts that they are.

    "When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; [YET HATH HE NOT ROOT IN HIMSELF], but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful." (Matthew 13:19-22)

    "When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, [THOU ART THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD] (Grk. Su ei ho Christos ho huios tou theou tou zontos). And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:13-18)

    God Bless!
     
  2. FHII

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    I am no fan of Kanye... Heck... Never heard any of his songs that I am aware of. But I know his reputation (whether it's true or not).

    Time will tell if it's real, but for now, I am happy for him and whether or not he's doing it the right way, he's taking the right first step. So I am not going to condemn him for it.
     
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    Willie T Heaven Sent Staff Member

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    Spoken as a true Christian. (Kinda rare to hear these days, BTW.)
     
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    I also want to add that I don't mean to cast a shadow on the poster "Light". I understand his skeptism, and certainly Kanye has a way to go (we all did at one point, and still do). So I wasn't trying to shame Light... Just hoping he sees another point of view.
     
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    Don't sit in judgment over Kanye West. Any new convert or babe in Christ will have to learn many things. Just be thankful that he is publicly professing Christ. Focus on your own deficiencies.
     
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    Well this poster should have reserved judgment instead of posting Scriptures as though he knows Kanye's heart. Let God determine who is a genuine Christian. Kanye seems to be making efforts to serve Christ (regardless of his flaws).
     
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    Sounds like Kanye has quite a testimony. The only other thing I heard about his visit to Joel Osteen's church was that he was warning people about the Satanic symbolism in all the movies that Hollywood is pumping out. From what i understand, that revelation didn't seem to register with that audience. So either he was preaching to the choir, and telling them something they already knew, or they simply didn't have the ears to hear it. Perhaps they were all transfixed by the stellar witnessing of his own incredible musical talent.

    I'm so out of the loop, it's really pathetic. I have no idea who Kanye is or what his music sounds like. I assume it's some sort of pop, or hip hop, be bop?
     
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    I did a lot worse after coming in to the Kingdom of God. He will grow and God will humble
    and discipline him during his journey in the wilderness.

    The main thing is God has visited him and he has responded. He has an opportunity to do
    something with this Passover experience. God has washed away all of his sins by the Blood
    of Jesus Christ and God will never take that from him.

    He has a foundation to stand on now and what he does with it determines his rewards. It is
    our responsibility to pray for him & encourage him to become an overcomer. 1st Corinthians
    3:15 says,

    15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer lost: but he
    himself shall be saved;
    yet so as by fire.

    What he has confessed with his mouth has given him a free pass from the wrath to come. So
    that is what I'm rejoicing in for him and praying that he can overcome all of the pits that the
    enemy creates to try to discourage him.

    So let's REJOICE in the salvation granted to our brother.

    What a God! What a Plan!

    Logabe
     
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    "Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand." Romans 14:4 NKJV

    There was a band, David & The Giants ('60s-'70s?), who started playing "Christian" rock when none of them had a personal conversion experience, because of the direction music was going at the time. Rubbing elbows with real Christian musicians, they all eventually got saved.
     
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  10. brakelite

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    Whether Kanye is saved or not, time will tell. What is happening though, and among a group of people who otherwise would not give the topic a second thought, is that many people are hearing about Jesus from someone they admire and respect, for whatever reason. Thus they give the person of Jesus serious consideration, which is a good thing, because God can then use their own thought processes to steer or guide them into t the truth. To ask questions...to consider their own mortality...to consider their lifestyles and question their own moral judgements and how those judgements stack up against the character of the man Christ Jesus. People are talking...thinking...and giving the Christian lifestyle consideration maybe seriously for the first time. So even if Kanye's testimony is a complete and utter sham...it may bear fruit for good.
     
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    The thing that concerns me is that he has a massive platform and could easily lead others to error. My advice to him would be to keep the Gospel message simple until you have grown and matured in the faith and knowledge of the Scriptures.

    Especially concerned since he immediately aligned with the likes of Joel Osteen...
     
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    I bought a car about five years ago that came with Sirius FM Satellite radio. It was free for the first six months I had the car. A few months later, I had to drive across the country. I surfed through each and every channel for the first couple of days until I finally landed on a channel that was just Joel Osteen radio broadcasts. I had never really spent much time listening to Joel Osteen. I could remember seeing his father on tv, and then there were a few times I can remember channel surfing and listening to his broadcasts for a minute or so. That was decades ago, but when I had the Sirius FM, a few decades later, I noticed that his presentation is much improved.

    I really didn't find much of anything wrong with his "sermons". They seem to be mostly about the power of positive thinking, and while they're not overtly Christ centered, he does end each message with an invitation to repent, and accept Christ into one's heart.

    There also seems to be quite a lot of people who have been helped by his message as well. So I don't really see the problem.
     
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    He preaches prosperity gospel.
     
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    Prosperity means different things to different people. My recollection is that he doesn't ever come out claiming anything specific. In other words, he's not suggesting that Mammon is equivalent to prosperity. Jesus talks of the abundant life, which is essentially the same idea.
     
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    I'll see if I can find some examples.
     
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    I listened to him for three straight days while I was driving across country, and don't recall him ever saying anything about making lots of money or acquiring material wealth. Some people think that's what's added when one seeks the kingdom first, but that's their interpretation. Obviously Joel Osteen doesn't see having material wealth as a problem, but then neither do any Christians that I've ever encountered.

    Christ draws the line with the first cent one decides to hold onto.
     
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