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Who is the Whore of babylon

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics Forum' started by Andrew Kind, Dec 19, 2018.

  1. Andrew Kind

    Andrew Kind Member

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    I've been told multiple times that the whore of babylon from revelation is the Roman Catholic Church and the vatican yet I have read revelation 17 and 18 multiple times and a better match seems to be pagan rome which took place in the time revelation was written, why do people keep claiming that the whore of babylon is the catholic church when alot of the evidence suggests pagan rome
     
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    Please answer
     
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    Greetings Andrew. The reason is because she is depicted as a woman, with the imagery being of a spiritual adulteress to God, in that she gives herself to the world instead of Him. Pagan Rome on the other hand was (at the time) interpreted to be the fourth beast - a destroyer and a conqueror - and therefore had no relationship with Him.
     
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    Revelation 18:7
    [7] How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

    I sit a queen, “...and am no widow,...”

    Romans 7:1-4
    [1] Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? [2] For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. [4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
     
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    Since this woman is called Mystery Babylon, she represents every false and idolatrous religion since the tower of Babel, and they all will culminate in the worldwide and universal religion of the Antichrist. Today we have Ecumenism, which tries to bring all religions together. Unfortunately the church of Rome is also included in this, since the Vatican promotes False Christianity as well as Ecumenism.
     
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    It's not a singular person/organization. But rather any whom choose to ultimately follow Satan.
     
  7. Andrew Kind

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    Yes but alot of the other identifying characteristics of the whore match pagan rome
     
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    Hello?
     
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    Anyone who choose to embrace Satan over God is part of Babylon and the whore. Pagan Rome fits that bill, as do many many others.
     
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    History of mystery Babylon is contained in the statue of Daniel. It began with Babylon and flows down to the 10 toes the Roman Empire disintegrated into.

    Then revelations and other sources show it as the restored Roman Empire ruled by the AC.

    It also identifies the harlot as part of it. She is riding on the beast that is composed of all aspects of the empires of the statue.

    The harlot is a the city of seven hills, which is Rome and was the capital of the Roman Empire.

    The hierarchy of the pagan Roman religious system was it Rome.

    The harlot and Roman Empire was drenched in the blood of the martyrs.

    Study the history of the pagan Roma religions. Look at their titles, structure and even clothing. Then compare it to the Roman Catholic Church. They match.

    The Roman Catholic church will revert to the pagan Roman Emperor worship. I believe the Pope will be the false prophet.

    I have believed this for years and have never seen anything even slightly contradictory to this reality.

    It will not be in Islam, since there is no way to get Muslim beliefs to line up with the Bible on this issue.

    It will not be the original Babylon restored, because that doesn't match up either.

    Some try to claim the US, but that does not work. I believe the USA will be the nation of the Western aisles that will oppose the AC. But that does not mean USA will become a godly nation, nor does it say it won't.

    One thing for sure, the one world nation theory will never happen. The Bible is quite clear the nations of the Western aisle will be the ACs enemy, as will China will send the million man army in the fight against the AC.

    To me it is crystal clear the EU will become the AC Empire. The demon in him will merge those countries into his empire just as he did in Alexander the great merging the city states of Greece into a conquering Empire.
     
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  11. Andrew Kind

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    Anyone else?
     
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    Out of curiosity, Andrew, what's your other faith?
     
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    Agnostic
     
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    Oh, Ok. So what's your interest in the question you posted for this thread, i.e. why do you regard it as important if the Roman Catholic Church is not the whore but the Roman Empire is/was?
     
  15. Andrew Kind

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    If the whore of babylon is pagan rome then the bible is wrong if the whore of babylon is the Roman Catholic Church then the bible is right
     
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    Anyone who chooses to serve Satan and not God.
     
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    I'm not following this logic at all.
     
  18. Hidden In Him

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    Well, there are some Christians who might just take the position that Pagan Rome was the whore. I know there are some who certainly do not take the position that the RCC is. So what we are dealing with here is more of whether people's interpretations of the Bible are wrong or not. We won't know whether the Bible itself was wrong until all is said and done with.
     
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    What's not to follow
     
  20. Jane_Doe22

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    1) You keep trying to tag the label to one specific individual/group, when that is not the correct interpretation.
    2) Your subsequent logic also does't make sense either
     
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