Who Really Wanted Jesus Crucified?

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Davy

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You know, some of the Church fathers (like Martin Luther), really hated the Jews. You can read in his writings how he pretty much assigned our Lord Jesus' crucifixion to all unbelieving Jews. Were all unbelievers of the Jews at Christ's 1st coming actually against Him, and took part in having our Lord Jesus crucified?

The answer is no. Nicodemus was a Pharisee, and he provided spices for Jesus' burial, and visited Jesus in secret. Gamaliel, the great Hebrew scholar of his day, supported upholding the law in being fair to Lord Jesus while others among the scribes and Pharisees looked for any way to convict Him to have Him murdered.

Joseph of Arimathea, which Scripture said was a good and upright man, was a member of the Jew's Sanhedrin, and he owned the tomb which Lord Jesus was buried in, and claimed Jesus' body from Pilate to be buried.

Listen to this conversation between John the Baptist, and 'certain' ones sent to question him. It's important to understand when reading this, that of all peoples among the Jews, the scribes, Pharisees, priests, and Levites, would be the ones aware of the Old Testament prophecies about Messiah's coming, even where to look for Him.

John 1:19-25
19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who art thou?"

Later we discover those "Jews" which sent these specifically are among the group known as Pharisees.


20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, "I am not the Christ."

Now why would John immediately confess that he is not 'The Christ' to their question? Do you think John surmised that Messiah is Who those Pharisees particularly were looking for?


I have no doubt of it, because we discover in Matthew 2 that when Herod heard about the 3 wise men from the east inquiring about Jesus' birth, Herod then turned to the scribes and priests about the prophecy of where Lord Jesus would be born, and Herod had all the first born in the land murdered to try and kill Jesus.

The thing about king Herod, a Jew, is that he actually was not of bloodline Israel. He was appointed by Roman authority. Herod was an Idumean, of the seed of Esau, Jacob's brother. That's a New Testament introduction that not all those who say they are Jews, are actual bloodline Judah, which is where the title of Jew originates.

So who are these "Jews" that sent those priests and Levites to question John?


21 And they asked him, "What then? Art thou Elias?" And he saith, "I am not". "Art thou that prophet?" And he answered, "No."

They well knew the OT Scriptures. In Malachi 4, God promised to send Elijah before the "day of the Lord" (last day of this world), so that's why they asked that. That "prophet" was probably the "Prophet" Moses pointed to in Deuteronomy 18:15.



22 Then said they unto him, "Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?"
23 He said, "I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias."

24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.


Point blank, the Pharisees sent those priests and Levites to question John! Obviously The LORD wants us to mark these particular ones. In other Scriptures, the scribes are included along with those Pharisees in trying to trap Lord Jesus to have Him killed.


Per 1 Chronicles 2:55, the scribes of Israel that dwelt at Jabez were of a people called Kenites, a Canaanite people that lived in the land of Canaan (Genesis 15:19). That means they, like king Herod, were converts to Judaism and not of the seed of Israel. In Ezra 2 with the return of a small remnant of the Jews from Babylon, some foreigners among them had become priests and Nethinims (temple servants, leftovers of the Canaanites per Joshua 9 and 1 Kings 9; also Ezra 8 & 9).


25 And they asked him, and said unto him, "Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?"
KJV


Obviously, like Herod, they were looking for Christ's coming. But not to receive Him, but to kill Him and attempt to steal His Kingdom. Not all the Jews were in that strategy, which is why you see Lord Jesus rebuking the scribes and Pharisees particularly in John 8, even labeling them as sons of Cain, the first murderer, and the devil as their father.

This suggests they well 'knew' Jesus of Nazareth was Messiah.

In Matthew 21, Jesus gives a parable to the chief priests, about their attempted thievery...

(Continued...)
 

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Matt 21:33-43
33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

Jesus gave this pointing to the chief priests and elders. They represent the husbandmen put in charge of this vineyard. Per Isaiah 5, the "house of Israel" represents this vineyard they are over, and Judah as the "pleasant plant". God gives a parable there about this also, how His vineyard was supposed to bear good fruit, but He looked and it instead bear poison grapes. Lord Jesus represents the "householder" that went into a far country (i.e., ascended to The Father after His crucifixion).



34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

These servants sent to the husbandmen represent God's Old Testament prophets which these husbandmen stoned and killed. To be blunt, these murderers are not about all Jews. These are especially about the foreigners that crept in among the tribe of Judah especially, and became Jews, but really are not, but are the "synagogue of Satan". They're looking to try and STEAL the Kingdom. That's why these crept in murderers were looking for Messiah; to have Him killed, not to worship Him.



37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, "They will reverence my son."
38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, "This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance."

39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

That is The Father speaking in the parable with, "They will reverence my son", pointing to Lord Jesus Christ. Murder The Son is what they would do like Jesus said to them here, to try and STEAL His Kingdom by taking control over His vineyard of the "house of Israel", and thus The Gospel, because Jesus said He was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel, the house of Israel then meaning the ten scattered lost tribes of Israel. Where they were scattered among the Gentiles is where The Gospel went, and was believed, forming the historical western Christian nations.



40 "When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?"

Lord Jesus asks those priests and elders that, trapping them instead.


41 They say unto him, "He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons."

And they pronounced their own... destruction!

42 Jesus saith unto them, "Did ye never read in the scriptures, 'The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?'"
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

KJV

That nation of course, would be where The Gospel was preached forming Christian nations, and that fruit would be the preaching of The Gospel of Jesus Christ! Thus Christ's vineyard was taken from those false Jews who sought to steal it, and instead Christ's vineyard has produced hundredfold, thousandfold... and MORE... in The Gospel preached to both Israelites and Gentiles alike, all over the world!!
 

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Were all unbelievers of the Jews at Christ's 1st coming actually against Him, and took part in having our Lord Jesus crucified?
We need to go to the Bible record for the answer, keeping in mind that even though a fraction of the total population of Judea condemned Christ, God held ALL the Jews accountable, and He judged ALL unbelieving Israel for unbelief.

1. The Jews in the Sanhedrin were the primary culprits:
And they that had laid hold on Jesus led him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled. But Peter followed him afar off unto the high priest's palace, and went in, and sat with the servants, to see the end. Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council [Sanhedrin], sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death (Mt 26:57-59)

While the Pharisees and Sadducees are not mentioned by name, it would appear that they were also included in the Sanhedrin. Annas and Caiaphas were Sadducees. Of course Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea must have excused themselves.

2. Herod the Tetrarch of Galilee was culpable: Pilate sent Jesus to Herod because Christ came from Galilee. But Herod mocked him and sent Him back to Pilate.

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The Jewish mob in Jerusalem was influenced: But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus... Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. (Mt 27:20,25) Note: Because it was the feast of Passover, the multitude would have included Jews from all over Palestine, not just the residents of Jerusalem.

So when Peter and Stephen addressed all the Jews in Jerusalem, they held all of them accountable for "the murder" of Christ.

Peter did not blame Pilate and the Romans:
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: (Acts 2:22,23)

Stephen did not blame Pilate and the Romans either: Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
 

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Matt 21:33-43
33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

Jesus gave this pointing to the chief priests and elders. They represent the husbandmen put in charge of this vineyard. Per Isaiah 5, the "house of Israel" represents this vineyard they are over, and Judah as the "pleasant plant". God gives a parable there about this also, how His vineyard was supposed to bear good fruit, but He looked and it instead bear poison grapes. Lord Jesus represents the "householder" that went into a far country (i.e., ascended to The Father after His crucifixion).



34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

These servants sent to the husbandmen represent God's Old Testament prophets which these husbandmen stoned and killed. To be blunt, these murderers are not about all Jews. These are especially about the foreigners that crept in among the tribe of Judah especially, and became Jews, but really are not, but are the "synagogue of Satan". They're looking to try and STEAL the Kingdom. That's why these crept in murderers were looking for Messiah; to have Him killed, not to worship Him.



37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, "They will reverence my son."
38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, "This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance."

39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

That is The Father speaking in the parable with, "They will reverence my son", pointing to Lord Jesus Christ. Murder The Son is what they would do like Jesus said to them here, to try and STEAL His Kingdom by taking control over His vineyard of the "house of Israel", and thus The Gospel, because Jesus said He was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel, the house of Israel then meaning the ten scattered lost tribes of Israel. Where they were scattered among the Gentiles is where The Gospel went, and was believed, forming the historical western Christian nations.



40 "When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?"

Lord Jesus asks those priests and elders that, trapping them instead.


41 They say unto him, "He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons."

And they pronounced their own... destruction!

42 Jesus saith unto them, "Did ye never read in the scriptures, 'The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?'"
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

KJV

That nation of course, would be where The Gospel was preached forming Christian nations, and that fruit would be the preaching of The Gospel of Jesus Christ! Thus Christ's vineyard was taken from those false Jews who sought to steal it, and instead Christ's vineyard has produced hundredfold, thousandfold... and MORE... in The Gospel preached to both Israelites and Gentiles alike, all over the world!!


The sad truth is his very own brothers and sisters of his faith Davy. Why? A parable Jesus gave answered that sir, they wanted what he had, same as satan wanted what Jehovah had. Mat 21:38 And like you pointed out, God took the Kingdom from them and gave it to a new nation, under a new covenant.
 

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We need to go to the Bible record for the answer, keeping in mind that even though a fraction of the total population of Judea condemned Christ, God held ALL the Jews accountable, and He judged ALL unbelieving Israel for unbelief.
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I'm not denying the multitude of Jews not directly involved were blamed. I'm pointing out how the real... culprits were hidden among the Jew's leaders, political and religious. And also, how the crept in unawares of Jude 1 and the "tares" of Matthew 13 was at play in all that.

Moreover, the majority of Israelites were not even present in Judea at Lord Jesus' 1st coming.

They had been scattered to Assyria and the lands of the Medes long before. And the majority of even the "house of Judah" chose to stay in Babylon and was then further scattered like the ten tribes were, so the Jews at Jesus' 1st coming were only a small remnant of the 3 tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and a small remnant of the ten tribes that joined them when Jeroboam first setup his calf idols in the north, and the rest of the Jews were foreigners living in Judea/Jerusalem.

I also was pointing to an even greater commission God gave to the children of Israel, which involves care of The Gospel to the nations. It was the migrations of the children of Israel westward into Asia Minor and Europe that founded the western Christian nations, and that was per God's promise to the house of Israel per His prophet Hosea.
 

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Satan wanted Jesus crucified and so his minions did the deed.

no.
no one takes His life from Him; He lays it down and He picks it up again.

when Satan realized God was going to sacrifice Himself, he tried to stop it, and ((inhabiting Judas)) threw the 30 pieces of silver back.
Satan led a small army to Gethsemane, and Christ flattened them, including Satan himself in Judas, by uttering His name. it was not Satan's intent to seize Christ but to force His hand - and Satan did not realize that Christ is God until that moment. Satan isn't stupid - he's more clever than any of God's creation. he knew Jesus could walk right through a crowd of guards trying to seize Him. he knew Jesus was full of power and could command even the water and the wind - He showed complete command over all of physical creation. so what does Satan think a hundred men with swords and clubs are going to do? does he think they are any kind of threat to the Messiah?? he is not stupid.
he expected to force Jesus to start an insurrection, calling fire down to destroy them or something. Satan wanted Peter to draw his sword; Jesus told him to put it away, and healed Malchus' ear.

at the cross the Lord defeated Satan by laying down His life. Satan ain't out to get defeated. he thought Jesus was only an anointed man, not divine, and sought to cause Him to fall. he did not know He is God until God chose to reveal Himself, saying I AM and rendering Satan utterly powerless.

people are evil all by themselves; Satan didn't make humanity reject the light and love darkness. humans will do that even with Satan imprisoned for a thousand years and Christ seated on the throne - people will reject God even with certain knowledge that He is God. the devil didn't 'make you do it'
 
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I'm putting you on "ignore". Take care.

Dude, harsh.

now I'll never get to ask you for the verse that says the cross was Satan's plan.

smh
 

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Satan wanted Jesus crucified and so his minions did the deed.
Hi K9Buck,
I hope you will accept a different perspective based on Scripture.

  • The crucifixion of Christ was not Satan's plan, it was God's.

If you've been taught otherwise you have been misled.

  • Satan's plan was for Christ to forgo the Cross.

We see the work of Satan to tempt Jesus when He was in the wilderness for 40 days. The fourth time Jesus says "Get thee hence, Satan", and His response is much the same when temptation comes through Peter seeking to dissuade Him from the events mentioned that include His death. This time Jesus says, "Get thee behind Me, Satan."

Some have questioned how God could die, getting confused over the relationship of the Father, Son , and Holy Spirit, and offering instead the idea that because Jesus is God, and God is eternal and therefore cannot die, that Jesus didn't really die on the Cross.

The big problem with that unbiblical theory is that if Jesus didn't really die then no all sufficient, perpetual, providential sacrifice for our sin has been made.

I have stood my ground on this because the whole point of the incarnation of God in the Person of Christ was to die for the sins of the world, which was God's foreordained Plan. ( 1 Peter 1:20, Rev 13:8 )

Heb 9:15-16
(15) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

John 10:17-18
17 Therefore does my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.


18 “No man takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.”

Perhaps you could apologise to "post" for your mistake.
 
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Christ gave us the answer

John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him, When he spaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

The sons of cain is your answer
 
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Perhaps you could apologise to "post" for your mistake.

I didn't mean to be rude or crass.

Satan told Jesus that he could make the world love him. If Satan truly didn't want Jesus to die, why didn't Satan use his influence to keep him alive?

The crucifixion of Jesus was unjust and sinful. Do you believe that God compelled people to sin?
 

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The crucifixion of Christ was not Satan's plan, it was God's.

Yes, I understand. Jesus came to Earth to be the sacrificial lamb.

I still have not seen a BIBLICAL verse that says that Satan didn't want Jesus crucified.
 

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I didn't mean to be rude or crass.

Satan told Jesus that he could make the world love him. If Satan truly didn't want Jesus to die, why didn't Satan use his influence to keep him alive?

The crucifixion of Jesus was unjust and sinful. Do you believe that God compelled people to sin?
Hi K9Buck,
God's Plan for Christ to die at the hands of wicked people is evident in the following narrative at Matthew 16:21-23, with these points to ponder (and compare them with Satan's attempt to manipulate Jesus in the wilderness)
  • Jesus Himself states that He MUST go and suffer, be killed, and be raised.
  • Peter is strongly opposed to Jesus going to endure the things mentioned.
  • Jesus declares that it is actually Satan who is strongly opposed to what He MUST do.
  • Any opposition to what Jesus says He MUST do is described as offensive to Him.
  • The offensive opposition to what Jesus says He MUST do is identified as being mindful of the things of men rather than the things of God. (see also Joh 6:15 Therefore when Jesus perceived that they were about to come and take Him by force to make Him king, He departed again to the mountain by Himself alone.)
Mat 16:21-23 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day. (22) Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, "Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!" (23) But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."
 
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Hi K9Buck,
God's Plan for Christ to die at the hands of wicked people is evident in the following narrative at Matthew 16:21-23, with these points to ponder (and compare them with Satan's attempt to manipulate Jesus in the wilderness)
  • Jesus Himself states that He MUST go and suffer, be killed, and be raised.
  • Peter is strongly opposed to Jesus going to endure the things mentioned.
  • Jesus declares that it is actually Satan who is strongly opposed to what He MUST do.
  • Any opposition to what Jesus says He MUST do is described as offensive to Him.
  • The offensive opposition to what Jesus says He MUST do is identified as being mindful of the things of men rather than the things of God. (see also Joh 6:15 Therefore when Jesus perceived that they were about to come and take Him by force to make Him king, He departed again to the mountain by Himself alone.)
Mat 16:21-23 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day. (22) Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, "Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!" (23) But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

Thank you for the enlightenment.