WHY CHRISTIANS ARE STILL DYING

[The Kreisel]

Christ is the RESURRECTION. Thus, the Body of Christ should be the Body of the Resurrection.
So why are christians still dying to beat-the-band?

The simple answer is Romans 8:13 -
"For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live."

 

[CharismaticLady]

Christ is the RESURRECTION. Thus, the Body of Christ should be the Body of the Resurrection.
So why are christians still dying to beat-the-band?

The simple answer is Romans 8:13 -
"For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live."

When we are born again, it is our nature inside our body that goes from death to eternal life. It dies on the cross and is resurrected now. Our nature is our mind and desires Paul calls "the flesh." It is why if we are born again, it is because the Holy Spirit has come inside of us to kill the old nature, and create a whole new nature. Romans 8:9. Those who experience no change regarding the desire to sin have never been born again, and are only Christians in name only, but are NOT abiding in Christ and He in us. 1 John 3:24 We must truly repent before the Holy Spirit is given to us. And without the Spirit we do not belong to Christ.

Our body is separate from our nature. It must die also and be resurrected to eternal life. Romans 8:10.

 

[The Kreisel]

When we are born again, it is our nature inside our body that goes from death to eternal life. It dies on the cross and is resurrected now. Our nature is our mind and desires Paul calls "the flesh." It is why if we are born again, it is because the Holy Spirit has come inside of us to kill the old nature, and create a whole new nature. Romans 8:9. Those who experience no change regarding the desire to sin have never been born again, and are only Christians in name only, but are NOT abiding in Christ and He in us. 1 John 3:24 We must truly repent before the Holy Spirit is given to us. And without the Spirit we do not belong to Christ.

Our body is separate from our nature. It must die also and be resurrected to eternal life. Romans 8:10.

You glossed passed Romans 8:13, like most all do, real quick.
Salvation is "spirit, SOUL AND BODY" - I Thess 5:23.

The carnal mind is death - Romans 8:6, and it excepts physical death.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You glossed passed Romans 8:13, like most all do, real quick.
Salvation is "spirit, SOUL AND BODY" - I Thess 5:23.

The carnal mind is death - Romans 8:6, and it excepts physical death.

Yes, our body will be saved also, but not at the same time as our nature. It is in two stages. But if the first happens, the second will happen also. But if the first doesn't happen, neither will the second.

 

[Mayflower]

You glossed passed Romans 8:13, like most all do, real quick.
Salvation is "spirit, SOUL AND BODY" - I Thess 5:23.

The carnal mind is death - Romans 8:6, and it excepts physical death.

Romans 12:1-2 talks about being transformed by the renewing of our minds. Paul was speaking to believers here, and it is a process.

 

[Renniks]

Everyone dies bodily. Are you planning to physically live forever? You'll be the first I guess?

 

[marks]

Christ is the RESURRECTION. Thus, the Body of Christ should be the Body of the Resurrection.
So why are christians still dying to beat-the-band?

Christians are dying?

Jesus said, he who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe?

Much love!

 

[The Kreisel]

Yes, our body will be saved also, but not at the same time as our nature. It is in two stages. But if the first happens, the second will happen also. But if the first doesn't happen, neither will the second.

You're still avoiding Romans 8:13 (nullifying the word for the sake of your tradition) -
"For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live." -

You can't escape it @CharismaticLady - Time to ascend into the spiritual Feast of Tabernacles.

 

[The Kreisel]

Everyone dies bodily. Are you planning to physically live forever? You'll be the first I guess?

Yup, don't want to be #2.

 

[The Kreisel]

Christians are dying?

Jesus said, he who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe?

Much love!

The greek for "In" is 'eis', which means, 'Into' - you must believe INTO Jesus - it's called "going from glory to glory" - II Cor 3:18

 

[CharismaticLady]

You're still avoiding Romans 8:13 (nullifying the word for the sake of your tradition) -
"For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live." -

You can't escape it @CharismaticLady - Time to ascend into the spiritual Feast of Tabernacles.

Why don't you tell us what you believe happens when someone is born again. That is what that verse is about. Someone who is born again is born of the Spirit.

Don't get frustrated, just put it in your own words so we can discuss.

 

[The Kreisel]

Why don't you tell us what you believe happens when someone is born again. That is what that verse is about. Someone who is born again is born of the Spirit.

Don't get frustrated, just put it in your own words so we can discuss.

Frustrated? No, this is all old hat to me. When a person is 'born-again' as you know it, their 'spirit' is renewed. That is 1/3 of being saved ,next is your Soul then Body, if your ascending in Jesus.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Frustrated? No, this is all old hat to me. When a person is 'born-again' as you know it, their 'spirit' is renewed. That is 1/3 of being saved ,next is your Soul then Body, if your ascending in Jesus.

I can buy that.

First comes justification/sanctification of old sins - being born again of the Spirit who takes away our desire to sin. 1 John 3:5 and 9.

Then comes glorification that is a life-time process of the soul to grow and mature in the fruit of the Spirit - 2 Peter 1:5-7; Romans 8:29-30

Then comes the resurrection of the body

 

[The Kreisel]

Here is another one - John 8:51
"Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death."

Please, someone tell me, 'That just means spiritual death'.

 

[The Kreisel]

I can buy that.

First comes justification/sanctification of old sins - being born again of the Spirit who takes away our desire to sin. 1 John 3:5 and 9.

Then comes glorification that is a life-time process of the soul to grow and mature in the fruit of the Spirit - 2 Peter 1:5-7; Romans 8:29-30

Then comes the resurrection of the body

If you're not "living after the flesh" then you'll die and be taken to the morgue.

 

[CharismaticLady]

If you're not "living after the flesh" then you'll die and be taken to the morgue.

Why is that?
Don't you mean living after the Spirit?

 

[Mayflower]

The thief that died on the cross next to Jesus did not have time to renew the mind and act out his newfound faith. But Jesus Himself said, "Today, you will be with me in paradise." What would you say to this?

"But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
Luke 23:40‭-‬43 NASB1995

Even in His darkest hour, Christ ministered to someone. Go God!

 

[The Kreisel]

The thief that died on the cross next to Jesus did not have time to renew the mind and act out his newfound faith. But Jesus Himself said, "Today, you will be with me in paradise." What would you say to this?

"But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
Luke 23:40‭-‬43 NASB1995

Even in His darkest hour, Christ ministered to someone. Go God!

Paradise exists now on Earth, if you enter it, the way into the Holiest is now open.

 

[The Kreisel]

Why is that?
Don't you mean living after the Spirit?

Oh my mistake, If you're "living after the flesh" you'll die and be taken to the morgue.
Bad typo.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Oh my mistake, If you're "living after the flesh" you'll die and be taken to the morgue.
Bad typo.

That's better. LOL