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Why Did Jesus Say We Must Be Born Again?

Discussion in 'NonChristian Help Forum' started by TRU434, Nov 3, 2018.

  1. Marymog

    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    Isn't that the definition/translation for "know"???

    King James Bible Dictionary - Strongs Number - G1492

    Curious Mary
     
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    Soooo is that a YES you are realating the two or NO....your not relating the two???

    Patient Mary
     
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    I will get this one shot since so many other things have been said.

    Think of our bodies as a computer.

    Think of the operating system as our spirit.

    The software that runs on our operating systems is our emotions, desires, functionality, etc.

    The unsaved have dust and dirt and cracks in the circuits of our computers, our bodies, so they do not run at peak performance. They make a lot of mistakes. The software, our spirits, have bugs and errors that make it function poorly.

    The saved have all the bugs and errors in our software remove and the software is updated to run as it should. But the computers still have problems.

    So, while our software is 100% our computers are not and will not be until glorification, when we get a complete rebuild.

    All the sin nature is cleansed and purged from our spirits when born again. But our flesh is will still sinful.

    That is why the Bible says our old nature, our sinful flesh, is in constant war with our new nature, our born-again spirits.

    The greatest obstacle to understanding born-again is those who only see our flesh, not our spirits.

    Born-again only changes our spirits, not our flesh.

    So while the interaction of our flesh and spirit do change, it is still on us to keep the changes going. That is called sanctification.

    Born-again is a one time event while sanctification is ongoing to the end of our lives in this flesh.

    At the rapture our flesh will also be changed to be compatible with our spirits, which is called glorification.

    Hope that helps. Not sure what else to say.
     
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    Ezra Well-Known Member

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    there eyes was opened to sin before we can be saved we must realize were lost .paul wrote
    2 Corinthians 4
    3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

    4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


    b.c before christ we was blinded when we got saved born again the Holy spirit opened our eyes to show us were lost .. you may not accept my explanation you may not even like it.. but it is the truth
     
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    Hitler; "I was lost, but now am found."
    see, Hitler got "born again" too, same way y'all do I guess.
    surely he went right back to his old life too huh
     
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    Hmmmm.....2 Corinthians 4 does not mention anything about water or Spirit or eyes being opened to nakedness soooooo it has NOTHING to do with John 3:7 OR Genesis 3:7 soooo that is NOT the truth.....it is your personal interpretation of scripture.

    John 3:7 has to do with being born from above: "Do not be astonished that I said to you, You must be born from above..."
    That statement refers back to what Jesus said in John 3:3 "....no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above."
    Nicodemus mistakenly thought Jesus was talking about being born after having grown old.
    That's when Jesus clarified with him in John 3:5 that "...no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit"
    Jesus then said Do not be astonished that I said to you, ‘You must be born from above.

    Soooo what is this water? What is this Spirit that comes from above that Jesus is talking about? Well, just BEFORE this conversation with Nicodemus Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist in/with WATER and the Spirit came upon him from ABOVE.

    What did Jesus and the Apostles do AFTER this conversation with Nicodemus? They went out and baptized with WATER. What do we still do 2,000 years later? We baptize with water in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit which is what Jesus told/taught us to do. Where does this Spirit come from Ezra? (answer is FROM ABOVE)

    Soooooo CLEARLY John 3:7 has nothing to do with Genesis 3:7 in which both Adam and Eve recognized that they were naked.

    It's ok that you misunderstood what Jesus said. So did Nicodemus and he was the teacher of Israel and he did not understand these things either.

    bible study Mary
     
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    t be honest i posted not expecting you to agree ..
    really you sure i dont understand? your sounding a lot like tinkling brass a lot of noise see if you would look past the nose on your face you can use gen 3:7 there eyes was opened what did they do when they heard God in the garden they Hid -conviction it tells us we must be born again ..actually i will sleep just fine . i am well aware where the spirit comes from ..maybe you should brush up on your theology . maybe you can explain step by step how the Holy spirit works..can you see the spirit? can you see the wind? can you explain the wind ?
     
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    Yes, I am sure you don't understand.

    Mary
     
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    lol i hate to tell you this but i do.. see its not me that does the saving ..personally i think your judgmental might i add all this is just your opinion . which is like noses everyone has one ty very much
     
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    I don't judge which of us is right....the Church does.....just like scripture says in Matthew 18:17
     
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    your off your rocker your cheese has slipped off your cracker good night
     
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    How dare you say that Scripture is off its rocker.......I refer you to Matthew 18:17
     
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    umm I SAID YOU WAS OFF YOUR ROCKER you may not refer me to any scripture
     
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    I quoted scripture to refute your twisting of scripture.....Since I quoted scripture to refute you then that means you are saying that scripture is off its rocker.

    I noticed you have been unable to use scripture to refute anything I have said soooooo who is off their rocker kiddo???

    Mary
     
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    you are
    and ty for call me a kiddo
     
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    Rubbish ! Hitler was just as cunning as the Devil himself and was only about playing the games of deceptions in leading all astray.
     
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    one, he was duly elected--after leading a rebellion no less--and "went back to his old life" is really the part that matters there anyway imo. Plus I guess he led himself astray as it turns out? All the others figured it out, right? So imo that is maybe a better frame here. Now are we all exact copies of Hitler, I doubt it, but examining the comparisons is imo a valuable learning experience. Let others point out the contrasts if there are any, imo. Bc imo is about all the diff I see between me and Hitler tbh
     
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    One must be Born Again or you can not enter the Kingdom of God ! end of story, no one comes into the Kingdom of God unless you are truly Born Again in the Holy Spirit.
    The Kingdom of God is here on earth but there is a great gulf between the carnal man and the one that is Born Again.
    Satan put all sorts of obstacles in the way to deceive you, it's like the parable of the weeds how they choke and work to hinder the Spiritual growth.
     
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    Hitler Party was not truly elected, it got in due to another Party's help and then the other Party was dissolved giving Hitler more power, it was all planed and orchestrated by very few wealthy people that own the world Bank, around 21 people I believe were in the main deal to make it all happen, they play the game, setting it up years in advance, they are not fools they understand there trade playing the people for fools and they are truly masters of such. fact is the people are fools, so what would such people truly care about such people truly and I seen this go on for years in business, it was all about playing others for fools and there was nothing you could do about it, they held all the cards and your fellow workers were to stupid to understand the big picture, so they only made things worse and the fat cats pissed them selves laughing at how many idiots there was to manipulate when you are in there position, not only that but they truly despise the people beyond belief that they are manipulating.

    Hitler was nothing but a puppet on a string doing the bidding of his Satanic world bank in stringing along the people playing the game. and it's the same thing going on today, the leaders of Nations are all just piss boys who fear the World Bank and dare say anything against them truly, we just had the biggest swine as PM who was swimming in the World Bank sewer up to his neck, he was one of the mob that made his money in ripping off mum and dad investors he is a Jesuit as well and he tried to destroy the Party he was leading and turn it into a Socialist Party and it was not until the village idiot knew this, that he got kicked out and then only used malice against the Party to try and destroy them.

    Any Nation that does not have a total handle on there own money is a piss boy to who enslaves them, well such are owned aren't such and just became like niggers.
    Look at Germany before WW2 when they had to pay back the money that they lent, they were niggers enslaved and ended up with paying 200% interest, the USA could easy end up the same way due to the foolishness of the Nations totally stupid ignorant people and Australia is the same full of morons that should not have the right to Vote because they are to simple minded thinking that the government is working for them, fact is that under socialism you are working for the government and they are to stupid to know the difference. what they know of the Nazis and the communist is a joke, they know f all and would not know such if they came fact to face with it.
    The USA governments have been feeding Communism for years trying to keep it alive, or it would of all died, they gave billions in propping up North Korea in fact and building up China, but do the people know the facts of all this giving tax payers money to Satanic morons like Communist and so called Jews in the so called State of Israel.
     
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    The Tax payers of the USA are in a very bad position now, sadly most do not even know it. they are being taken for a ride and played for fools, Australia is in the same boat.

    I was talking to Arabs and they were openly bagging the west, pointing out how wealthy that they are and just how broke the West truly was. they said that they could go to war and if they came back and got married they would be given a free House of there own, now the people themselves are not rich but there rulers are hugely mega wealthy and they may even own your home, car, and business if you are paying it off. do you know who it is that benefits from your paying off the interest ? do you even care. what if it's an enemy that you are supporting ? and not one of your own countrymen. do you know or even care. well you are not allowed to find this fact out, you know and why is that ?
    If the government is working for there Nations people, why can we not look up such things, we have computers now, so we all should have access to such things if you want to look into such.
     
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