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Why Did Our Father Want Blood Sacrifices?

Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by Miss Hepburn, Feb 9, 2010.

  1. Miss Hepburn

    Miss Hepburn Well-Known Member

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    Because many people are turned off to God because of how they view Him in the Bible -as wrathful, mean, cruel, etc,---and
    ask me many questions about all the contradictions found in the Bible ---help me with an answer about:

    Why would a loving Father want blood from innocents? His little innocent creatures, lambs, His Son...?

    Quoting the Bible doesn't count because they reject such "nonsense".
    Their brains want to logically "get" ---W-H-Y?

    Any help? If you say go to Hebrews 9 - it doesn't help them. It does not answer the question why?

    Then, they don't want to believe in a God that would put His Son thru being a Blood Sacrifice.
    Purposely, they reject the thought of such a Father as this.

    What is in the mind of God that He likes lambs killed? Or does He? Is it a made up ritual of early Man's?
    I need logic. Is there any?

    Thanks,
    :) Miss Hepburn
     
  2. gregg

    gregg New Member

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    B) great topic. :rolleyes: these question are only truly reveiled by the holy spirit. there are some that will try to give thier opinions, but for me the truth comes from the knowledge of good and evil,in the garden and for now thats all i'll say. :D :) :rolleyes:
    i like these smilys- death brought death as life brought life
     
  3. gumby

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    :rolleyes: it would be nice for once to have a question answered than to hear opinions that don't have the answer to the question.
    THE QUESTION WHY DID GOD REQUIRE A BLOOD SACRIFICE? :rolleyes: AND WHY LAMBS? :eek:
     
  5. Samuel Pickens

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    God did make coats of skins and clothed them. Eve had taken of the fruit and therefore the penality of death came upon her. Then Adam also took of the fruit and so the penality of death came upone him as he chose to reconcile Eve to him by sining against God.

    Animals were killed to cloth Adam and Eve - so, there was sheding of blood for sin. And as you know the levitical order had not yet been established. But do remember that God did come and walk with them in the cool of the eveining while they were in the garden.

    In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

    Remember when studying the Bible make sure you are using a Bible; use the KJV as an authorative text as it is an authorative text. There are many corrupted text like the NIV that can lead you off and cause problems in doctrine and such.

    Jehovah Tsidkenu and old Baptist AnaBaptist hymn = Christ our Righteousness.
     

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  6. Christina

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    It was a type the Old testament is our teacher everything was leading to Christ from the beginning
    Christ is the true Lamb the true sacrifice

    The blood sacrifice only covered sin it did not forgive it .. It temporarily covered the sin until Christ could come and die for it
    he died for all those past covered sins, as well as present and future sins.
    The lambs were but a type for Christ the Lamb of God
     
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    THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY HE USED ANIMALS FOR COATS OF SKIN. maybe the skin we now have is the coat he made for us. :rolleyes: or maybe our carnal mind doesn't comprehend this thought that our skin is the skin he made. just a thought.
     
  8. gumby

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    I will post the entire chapter of Leviticus 5 to explain. Leviticus 5:1, Leviticus 5:2, Leviticus 5:3, Leviticus 5:4, Leviticus 5:5, Leviticus 5:6, Leviticus 5:7, Leviticus 5:8, Leviticus 5:9, Leviticus 5:10, Leviticus 5:11, Leviticus 5:12, Leviticus 5:13, Leviticus 5:14, Leviticus 5:15, Leviticus 5:16, Leviticus 5:17, Leviticus 5:18 and Leviticus 5:19.

    When christ paid the price on the cross christ became our ultimate sacrifice thus doing away with animal sacrifice. John 1:29, Revelation 6:16, Revelation 7:10, Revelation 7:17 and Revelation 13:8.

    Thats the reason god required lambs is because it was in gods plan that christ would be our lamb of all ages.
     
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    gumby adam was way before lev. those laws were given in a different period were talking adam before all is known. no thats not the answer.that miss hepburn is looking for. those laws were after the flood.
     
  10. gumby

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    In all due respect gregg i have posted scripture for my posts and you have not provided one word of scripture for your opinion. If you dispute Leviticus 5 than how do you exlplain Genesis 4:3, Genesis 4:4, Genesis 4:5 and Hebrews 11:4. And the flood took place in Genesis 7:4.
     
  11. Butch5

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    Hello Miss Hepburn,

    I will attempt to answer your questions in a logical manner; however, some quoting of Scripture will be necessary to provided evidence of what I say.

    I think God would also reject a father such as this. That is one reason I reject the Penal model of the atonement, the idea that says that God sent His Son to die in our place in order to satisfy His wrath.
    How could a God of love do such a thing? No, I hold to the Classic view of the atonement, in which Christ offered when He laid down His life as a ransom to redeem mankind from the wicked one. God allowed (not made) His Son lay down His life in our place in order to pay the ransom necessary to redeem us mankind from the Kingdom of Darkness. This is love, Jesus said, greater love has no man than to lay down his life for His friends. Christ willingly gave His life to buy back that which was lost.

    No, as I said above God does not like it, it was for a purpose, to show the Jews what was to come.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    The Sacrafice of an umblemished lamb was a symbolic shadow of what was to come. The sacrafice of the Lamb of God the unblemished (sinless) Messiah Jesus.

    The Sacrafice of Lamb was a symbolic sign of the Future sacrafice of the Messiah Jesus.

    Now those who reject God because of the sacrafice of a lamb might see a lamb as being more than an animal. I have no doubt that an animal liberationist would have dificulty reading the Bible. I know there are many people who will be moved to tears at the sight of a suffering animal but when they view another human being suffering they are blank.

    Jesus is the Word of God and the Word is God.

    People who see God making another (Jesus) go through the pain and suffering don't understand that The Word is God.


    All Praise The Ancient Of Days
     
  13. Martin W.

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    Miss Hepburn

    You have left out something important :

    When problems surfaced among mankind on the earth God made the decision to end it all. Included in that will be changes to the angelic realm , both fallen and Holy.

    Rather than complete destruction he has given the option to those who wish to take the high road and attain entrance to the new heaven and new earth he has planned for the future. This redemption of a portion of mankind is one expression of his love. But he only takes those who want him. Many do not.

    It is not full explained to us but the requirements of Holy justice tends to indicate a price must be paid for fallen man to gain admission to this new heaven and new earth. The shed blood of the Savior appears to be sufficient price. Old Testament lamb sacrifices are just a forerunner.

    I would find it extremely difficult to slaughter an innocent lamb. I would find it extremely difficult to sacrifice any animal or any person dear to me. If I had a perfect innocent son I would be unable to sacrifice him in order that the criminal down the road could be set free from the death penalty.

    We must now consider whether there has ever been a truly Holy innocent man who has been sacrificed by his Father for the criminal down the street. If so we must consider how much love this Father must have to do such a thing for mankind.

    All of creation , all of heaven , all angels , witness this sacrifice and shed blood and will not be able to find fault. Including Satan. Like I said , we are not given the details , but it is indicated that Holy justice requires sacrifice and shed blood.

    As good as some of us are , I think we could all agree that mankind as a whole is bent on evil and destruction. I can spend 10 minutes with the pure innocence of a 2 year old girl , but I also must remember she is a part of fallen mankind. I can watch extremely good people do extremely loving things , but I must recognize they belong to a fallen species.

    The plan of the Creator is to eventually end all shedding of blood. Perhaps at that time our current sacrificial system will be explained to us. That day has not arrived yet.

    Best regards.
    Martin.
     
  14. Robinson Crusoe

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    I think you hit the nail on the head here: blood sacrifices please God. The first was Able's! Cain tried grain, vegetables and maybe fruit, but God wasn't pleased (you can still see Buddhists vainly trying to do that today). However, Able's little lamb, pleased God [​IMG]
    And that's really the point; we need to please God, because He is awesome, terrible, mighty and great. If we don't fear Him, we are nuts! So, when somebody has an issue with the way God does things, I'm pretty sure what they are lacking is humility and that begins with fear, not a clever argument.

    I'll tell you what though, one thing I've noticed, now that I am a Christian, is how freaking bloodthirsty people are! It's just an observation, but when we aren't going to drink from Christ's Blood and eat His Flesh, we are out there like Vampires, searching for something else to feast on! Yikes! People can berate God all they want to, but the truth is, when they scorn Christ's sacrifice, they are out there partaking of alternative sacrifices, often they make themselves the sacrifice (talk about vanity!). It doesn't have to be literal, but look at abortion; our World is covered in the blood of tortured, terrorized and mangled dead babies. 40-50 million babies a year can't be wrong; people have an insatiable thirst for blood! Of course, Christ can satisfy it, but that isn't surprising, since that is the sacrifice God prepared for us and He is the one who made everything! [​IMG]

    Instead of complaining about it, we should be grateful.
     
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    Well im very pleased i could help you with the subject robin. Do a more in depth study on the word "firstfruits" for more information.

    God bless :)
     
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    Good post Christina, Christ's sacrifice was planned from the beginning.



    Very thought provoking question MH. Looking forward to the responses.
     
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    It's not that God enjoys the blood of sacrifices, the blood of the lamb was a type to show that an innocent victim (the lamb) would have to die for the sins of men. It was pointing them to the sacrifice that Christ would make. God said He had no pleasure in the Israel's sacrifices.
     
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    Dear sister I believe your answer can be found in Hebrews 10:1-39.

    It's not that God desired for us to slaughter animals. Hosea 6:6 is a great Old Testament reference to compare with Hebrews 10.

    I think where humanity missed the boat of blood sacrifice was that it was never meant to be something easy or done without thought. God gave man dominion over the Earth and the animals therein, but any good leader/shepherd/ruler will take care of that which is placed in his or her charge. In theory, we should have abhorred the idea of having to shed any blood for our mistakes, but it eventually became so common that the very practice became a trade and something that was done in a ritualistic fashion. Christ is the perfection of this atonement.

    It is because of our state, our failures that blood was ever required.
     
  19. Miss Hepburn

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    I had a big post that I accidently erased - my fault ---suffice it to say...

    Hosea 6:6 says it all. No one has ever directed me to that and I even had it marked already.

    Butch great post -thank you. You said it didn't please God, but was showing Israel...
    I don't know if my atheist friend would buy that - but it certainly is different than what most say.
    He will respect it.

    So, it seems it does not actually please God from Hosea 6:6, etc.
    The plot thickens.

    Thanks all.
    :) Miss Hepburn

    Now what did someone say - Most atheists don't believe in God, because of the God that everyone describes.
    Something I just read. I should write things down...
     
  20. Robinson Crusoe

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    I don't know what everybody's problem is with blood, but the aversion to it seems hypocritical. I used to be an Atheist and, when I became a Christian, I could immediately see Christians setting themselves up to look like hypocrites. That posture by Christians seemed so ingrained in them, that Atheists I talked to immediately assumed, I would take it to and treated me accordingly. It was only after some effort, that they began to see my posture as different and then began treating me differently. This of course, does not mean they liked me any better! It just means they quit with the same old tired complaints.

    Alright, with that said, here's the words used in Genesis 4:4-5 in four different versions:

    New American Standard : regard; had no regard

    King James: respect; had not respect

    Young's Literal: Looketh and not looketh

    New Living Translation: accepted; did not accept

    In my thesaurus, pleased is synonymous with gratified and satisfied. Christ's Blood satisfies and gratifies; the blood of tortured babies does not. However, that doesn't mean Christ did not endure a torturous death and that it didn't satisfy or "please" God. It did; praise God! Of course, our modern sensibilities, which are extremely hypocritical, think that is icky! roflol

    I used the word, "pleased." As in, God was pleased by Able's sacrifice and displeased by Cain's. As in, God was pleased with Israel's sacrifices, when they were doing what He wanted them to and displeased when they weren't. It is all about seeking God's approval. Hence, the righteous desire to please God and the wicked desire to displease Him. Our moronic sensibilities, have nothing to do with it.
     
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