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Why did the Apostles Peter and Paul believe in a visionary Jesus, not a historical Jesus?

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Smitty, Mar 19, 2017.

  1. Smitty

    Smitty New Member

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    Remember the Gospels were written AFTER Paul's letters.

    New Testament article on Encyclopedia Britannica: "The books are not arranged chronologically in the New Testament. The Epistles of Paul, for example, which address the immediate problems of local churches shortly after Christ's death, are considered to be the earliest texts."

    Paul's letters indicate that both Peter and himself only knew Jesus from VISIONS and a "pesher" reading of the Septuagint such as Isaiah 52-53, Daniel 9, Zechariah 3 and 6 etc.
     
  2. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

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    Are they not one and teh same??? You have to remember Saul / PAu; came into teh picture afterwards, His "revelation" of Jesus is what Peter had

    Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

    This is how we are supposed to walk with Jesus today and as it says

    Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

    and Paul

    1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

    Teh only way he could know Jesus is by revelation, and that is what He got. One is the Jesus that walkesd this earth the other is the risen Jesus, same man just further along the journey.
     
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    Deborah_ Active Member

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    Did they believe only in a "visionary Jesus"? How do you come to that conclusion?

    Peter had spent much time with the "historical" Jesus, as the gospels tell us (even though they were written down later).
    Paul was converted only a year or two after Jesus' death and may well have seen Him 'in the flesh'.
     
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    kepha31 Well-Known Member

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    Peter spent 3 years with Jesus so there is nothing"historical" about it.
    Paul saw Jesus in 2 visions we know of so I don't count that as "historical" either.
    Historicity is a science used by higher critics that dismisses most of the Bible as fiction.
    They are modernist heretics and have infected some Ivy League universities.
     
  5. Smitty

    Smitty New Member

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    Paul never says Peter knew a living Jesus.

    And Paul never places Jesus on Earth.

    Gerd Lüdemann: "Not once does Paul refer to Jesus as a teacher, to his words as teaching, or to [any] Christians as disciples."
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Paul never places Jesus on earth??
    What nonsense.

    1 Cor 11:23-26 talks about Jesus at the Last Supper - on EARTH.
    Rom.6:6 , 1 Cor. 1:13, 1 Cor.2:2, 2 Cor.13, Gal.2:20, Gal.3:1, , Gal.5:24, Gal.6:14 ALL speak of His crucifixion - on EARTH
    1 Cor. 15:6 talks about Jesus appearing to more than 500 people at once - on EARTH.
     
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    Stranger Well-Known Member

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    So what? Are you saying you don't believe the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John?

    Where in Paul's letters does he indicate that he and Peter only knew Jesus from visions?

    Stranger
     
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