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  1. Faither

    Faither Member

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    Unless we as called out ones are being perfected by the gifted teachers, we may find ourselves teaching a false gospel, the basic good news of Christ work on the Cross.

    There's a very important piece of the gospel, the good news that is never acknowledged. If it were correctly acknowledged, it would settle alot of the bickering between us.

    Is there anyone who knows what unacknowledged part of the gospel I'm referring to.

    Hint: Jesus told us whenever this gospel is preached, to do something! What is it He told us to do?
     
  2. Faither

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    This is a basic understanding of the good news of Christ and His work on the Cross.
     
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    Jane_Doe22 Well-Known Member

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    This isn't very helpful.

    If person A studies scripture, prays, and reaches a different conclusion than person B, then he's going to point fingers at person B and say that B doesn't understand or that B is a false teacher etc.

    And vise versa. Round and round it goes.
     
  4. Faither

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    So I guess you don't know what Christ told us to do concerning the gospel?

    Anyone else?
     
  5. Jane_Doe22

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    Would you care to address my comment rather than just brushing it off?
     
  6. Paul Christensen

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    Did you know that the characteristic of those who hold to unsound doctrine tend to abuse others who don't agree with them?
     
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    [​IMG] No, enlighten us. Whats the point in starting a thread just to leave it with a cliffhanger?
     
  8. Faither

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    I was waiting to see if there was anyone who legitimately wanted to know, or just respond unkindly.

    Christ commands us ," wherever this gospel is preached, tell what this woman did." That pretty much is never done.

    What did this woman do?
    She brought the valuable oil, her most prize possession, her life's work , and poured it onto the feet of Christ.

    What did Judas the keeper of the money say? Why this waste? We could have sold this valuable ointment and given the money to the poor.

    Christ then said, this woman has done a good work. " Wherever this gospel is preached, tell what this woman did."

    When Christ said this, He was elevating what this woman did on par with His work on the Cross. He made it just as important as His work on the Cross.

    Here's what the woman did in the eyes of Christ.

    She came into the last supper completely covered, including her face and head. She kneeled before Christ and without anyone knowing who she was " wasted " her most prize possession, her life's work on Christ. This is a type of our part of the salvation process! We must sacrifice ourselves, surrender our lives, in secret whenever possible. I promise you, she left after this and know one knew who she was. But Jesus knew, He new who she was without seeing her face.

    This command Jesus tells us to do whenever His gospel is preached is never fulfilled. It proves that because Jesus put this work of the woman at the same level as Hiseork on Calvary, Faith is an act ( a surrendered life ) , based upon a Belief ( that He will accept the surrendered life), sustained by confidence ( trusting in Him by making all the many daily decisions that support the fact that our lives are not ours anymore, but His now.).

    Christ provided His gift of Grace by the finished work on Calvary. We respond to that Grace" by Faith" , by wasting our lives on Him! Just like the woman did.
     
  9. Paul Christensen

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    Paul gave us the true and complete gospel in the Book of Galatians. Also in the Book of Romans.
     
  10. Faither

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    And Jesus didn't?
     
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    Today's called out ones are the same as Judas, " why this waste"? I can do more for God by keeping my life than just wasting it on Christ that way!

    She gave it willing, without being told or asked, she was drawn by the Father to respond this way! Nothing in return!
     
  12. Paul Christensen

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    No. Because He was giving His teaching exclusively to unconverted Jews. The Pauline revelation is as much Jesus talking, because He worked closely with Paul during his three years seclusion in Arabia. In effect, Jesus gave him the same three years training He gave to the other Apostles. Paul said himself that what he wrote in his letters, he did not receive by flesh and blood, but by direct revelation from Christ Himself.

    During the earthly ministry of Jesus, the true gospel was a mystery down through previous ages, and the O.T. Law and Prophets were foreshadows of what was to be revealed later. But Paul says that what was the mystery has now been fully revealed, and the book of Romans does that.

    There is an incorrect notion that Paul's teaching is inferior to that of Jesus, but that is an error. It discounts that the Holy Spirit is God, and that Jesus said that when the Holy Spirit is come, He will teach us all we need to know. Paul was specially chosen to be inspired by the Holy Spirit to reveal the mystery of the true gospel of Christ that completes the whole picture, which was partial until it was fully revealed to Paul.

    So I think it is ill advised to make the teaching of Jesus to the Jews as a priority over Paul's teaching, because it is the same Jesus who taught the Jews and gave the revelation of the complete gospel to Paul. The teaching of Jesus to the Jews was to show that no matter how hard they tried to keep the Law, they will never achieve anything more than the righteousness of the Pharisees. But when He died on the cross, He gives His own righteousness as a free gift to those who receive Him as Saviour, and His righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees who were seeking to be justified by the Mosaic Law, but the righteousness of Christ is given to us on the basis of our faith in His finished work on Calvary.
     
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    Well why don't you start by presenting us with the TRUE GOSPEL? As presented in the Bible.
     
  14. Faither

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    I've been a paulunist for 33 years, my teacher for 50 years.
    I just don't agree that when Jesus sent out the apostles and told them whenever this gospel is preached to tell what this woman did, he was only speaking to Jews.

    " Our Faith" pisteuo in the Greek is defined as " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender." If your placing any of your understanding on the words believe, believer, and believing in the NT, your standing on a mistranslation.
     
  15. Faither

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    See post # 8.
     
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    Was the woman with the alabaster box a Jew?
     
  17. Paul Christensen

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    Yes.
     
  18. Faither

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    This thread is to add one more thing we are sure of to the mountain of evidence of what real saving Faith is.

    It defined perfectly in the Vines Greek dictionary. Pisteuo " is a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender."

    No such thing as believing.
     
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    A sinful or Immoral woman! That's a gentle!
    But let's stick to what saving Faith is!
     
  20. Paul Christensen

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    Oh? So this Scripture is incorrect then?
    "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).
     
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