Why Have You Forsaken Me? –Netchaplain

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Netchaplain

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“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me" (Mat 27:46; Mar 15:34)?​

Did the Father momentarily forsake Christ on the Cross or was it just Christ, in His humanity, feeling forsaken by Him? I believe Christ, in His humanity, felt forsaken by the Father, much like in His humanity, Christ momentarily desired to avoid the “cup” which He was required to endure (Mat 26:39, 42).

Just as Christ recovered from desiring to avoid the “cup” by saying, “O My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from Me unless I drink it, Your will be done” (Mat 26:42), He also realized the necessity of the Cross by saying, “Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit” (Luke 23:46), which is indicative that the Father was still with Him. Let’s also not forget that Christ was still the Word of God while He was on earth, which means He was and is omnipresent, in heaven and earth simultaneously. “No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven” (John 3:13 NKJV, KJV). Also, when considering this passage, “And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone . . . .” (John 8:29), one can safely conclude that Their union is always permanent. I’ve heard it said that the Father would not look at Christ at this time because all the sin in the world was on Him. I still fail to locate Scriptural support for this thought but I have found conflicting Scripture:
“The eyes of the LORD [are] in every place, Keeping watch on the evil and the good” (Pro 15:3).


To me, the significance of this issue reveals the desires of Christ and the Father to relate to us, to the degree that Christ became as one of us, in human form and nature. “For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin” (Hbr 4:15).

The importance of place in these “earthen vessels” is to cause us to always depend on God and not ourselves, for all things at all times. “But we have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellence of the power may be of God and not of us” (2Cr 4:7). “And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness" (2Cr 12:9).
“Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, saith the LORD of hosts” (Zec 4:6).

It has been well said that “His Blood procures pardon for our sin and His Cross procures power over our sin (the indwelling old man or nature).”

Ultimately, this teaches us to depend, not on our works, but on His atonement (Rom 5:11) and propitiation (Rom 3:25; 1Jo 2:2, 4:10).
 

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The psalm (22) records...Eli Eli lama azavthani! (My God My God why have you forsaken Me)

Jesus rather says..Eli Eli lama sabachthani (My God My God why have you entangled Me)

There is more to this statement than a mere repetition of the psalm. Jesus is alluding to the sacrifice promised to Abraham. God Himself will see to the sacrifice (Of His own Son). The ram was caught in the thicket (sebach)...the verb to entangle in Hebrew is SABACH...So Jesus is claiming to be that ram in the thicket...or at least He is alluding to that ram. Any wonder why Jesus was crowned with thorns...the thorns of a thicket that entangles Him.
 

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Remember . . . atonement is the OT concept of temporarily covering sins. We look to His propitiation, a satisfactory substitutionary sacrifice.

I don't think that its as if God could not see Jesus. But He did tell the people, their sins separated them from God. When Jesus bore our sins . . . became sin . . . could He still have fellowship - communion with the Father? Some things the Bible does not specifically say.

But I remember very well reading through the Psalms for the first time, and coming to Psalm 22. I did not know what to expect, but I was rivetted by the opening line, My God, My God, Why have You forsaken me? And as I read, and realized, I was reading the mind of Christ, His heart while on that cross . . . how can I put into words?

Maybe He said that just to let me know how to read that Psalm, to understand a little better what He went through in His love for me.

Love in Christ,
Mark

Thorns also remind me of the curse . . .
 

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I believe the abandonment concept derived from the passage, "[Thou art] of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look upon iniquity" (Habakkuk 1:13).

I found Gills commentary to be helpful here: The Lord with His eyes of omniscience beholds all things good and evil, and all men good and bad, with all their actions; but then He does not look upon the sins of men with pleasure and approbation; since they are contrary to His nature, repugnant to His will, and breaches of His righteous law.

This passage has to do with the Chaldeans, though sin in general may be included here, yet there seems to be a particular respect had to the "evil" or injury done by the Chaldeans to the Jews, in invading their land, spoiling their substance, and slaying their persons; and to the "iniquity," labour, or grievance, by which may be meant the oppression and violence the same people exercised upon the inhabitants of Judea; which, though permitted by the Lord, could not be well pleasing in his sight. The Targum interprets it of persons, workers of evil, and workers of the labour of falsehood; see Psalm 5:4: -Gill
 

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why do you all think Jesus says My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me. what does that mean? could it be that Jesus was so full of God in his walk here on earth that when he became sin for us that God's presence left him. i have felt God's presence come upon me during a worship service and when i left the church God's presence did not follow me as strongly and eventually seemed to disappear. but i know and knew of people who had God's presence so strongly that being in the same room with them whether on a train or a house caused people to become convicted of their sins or people falling under the power of God just by pointing at them on a street corner. these mighty men of God would be deeply disturbed if God's presence left them suddenly. how much closer was Jesus to God then all these other people.
 

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I believe the abandonment concept derived from the passage, "[Thou art] of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look upon iniquity" (Habakkuk 1:13).

I found Gills commentary to be helpful here: The Lord with His eyes of omniscience beholds all things good and evil, and all men good and bad, with all their actions; but then He does not look upon the sins of men with pleasure and approbation; since they are contrary to His nature, repugnant to His will, and breaches of His righteous law.

This passage has to do with the Chaldeans, though sin in general may be included here, yet there seems to be a particular respect had to the "evil" or injury done by the Chaldeans to the Jews, in invading their land, spoiling their substance, and slaying their persons; and to the "iniquity," labour, or grievance, by which may be meant the oppression and violence the same people exercised upon the inhabitants of Judea; which, though permitted by the Lord, could not be well pleasing in his sight. The Targum interprets it of persons, workers of evil, and workers of the labour of falsehood; see Psalm 5:4: -Gill

Hi Netchaplain,

Yes, I think this is the right idea for that passage. Not that God can's see, rather, that He does not approve. Myself, I read this as evil in general, and iniquity in general.

The prophet is seeking to understand God's actions on his knowledge of God's nature, not realizing that God's ways include even using the evildoer to accomplish His purposes.

I've always loved reading this exchange between God and Habakkuk.

The prophet: Oh God! There all this violence and destruction! Everyone's just arguing with each other, there's no justice! The wicked just twist justice into another violation!

The LORD: Habakkuk, I'm going to do something. Something amazing, something incredible! (I can almost see the sparkle in God's eye . . .)

The prophet: Yes? (he imagines revived worship of God . . . renewed respect for the Law . . . peacefulness and love to descend like a cloud upon the people . . .)

The LORD: I'm going to bring in the Chaldeans! Yes, that will do the trick! Those bitter, impestuous people! They sweep over the land devouring everything and everyone!

The prophet: WHAT????? (he almost falls on his face) They're horrible!!! They're worse than we are!!! How can you use them???!!!


We get surprised at what God will do. He is amazing, and we can be so short-sighted.

I love Habakkuk. At the end, his wonderful, beautiful prayer . . .

I am afaid! I feel sick inside! But though I have nothing, I am so happy, because God will care for me!


Because Jesus took our sin on Himself - - - bearing our separation from God as His Own, God will never leave us or forsake us. And we can rejoice with Habakkuk.

Love in Christ,
Mark
 

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Hi Mark S! Thanks for your reply and well stated. I liked your input with Habakkuk.