Why Hebrews?

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Netchaplain

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Why does the Lord Jesus (and the writers of the NT) express a variance in significance between the revelation to the OT saints and that to the NT saints? It is because the prior led to the latter and the contrast between them enhances the importance of each, with the Gospel revelation being superior in ministry (but same in Scriptural significance—2 Tim 3:16, 17) to that of the legal revelation, with the intent to move the believer on into things that have to do with “regeneration” (Mat 19:28; Titus 3:5).

Gill writes, “The intention of this epistle (Hebrews) being to demonstrate the superior excellency of the Gospel revelation to the legal one, the apostle begins with the divine author of it, in which they both (OT/NT) agree, and observes that in other things they differ. The revelation under the law was made in times past, the Gospel revelation in these last days; the former was made to the Jewish fathers that were of old, the latter to the then present Apostles; the one was made at sundry times, and in divers manners, the other was made at once, and in one way; the one was made by the prophets of the Lord, the other by His own son, Hebrews 1:1 and therefore the latter must be the more excellent.”

-NC

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“Why the book of Hebrews? What had the Hebrews that others (rest of the world—NC) had not, and that rendered it necessary to address an epistle in particular to them?

God had revealed Himself to the people. Over 2,000 years before Christ, God, having called Abraham in Mesopotamia, brought him to the land of Canaan and covenanted with him to give it to him and his seed. His son Isaac followed, bestowing upon Jacob his son the blessing of Jehovah.

Twelve sons of Jacob (then Israel) headed the twelve tribes of Israel, whom Moses led forth from Egypt through the wilderness, Jehovah their God revealing Himself to the nation in a marvelous way at Mount Sinai, and there announcing a Law-Covenant with the nation. God gave Moses specific directions concerning the construction of the tabernacle in the wilderness, in the Holy of Holies of which, when completed, Jehovah manifested His presence.

By a pillar of cloud by day and fire by night He led them on, Joshua, Moses, minister, bringing them into the Promised Land, Canaan. Their history under the judges and the kings has been clearly set forth in the Word of God. After their being captives for seventy years on account of disobedience, God restored them from Babylon, more than five hundred years before Christ, when they rebuilt, humbly, their temple.

Note this: To no other nation did God ever give a religion. Romans 9:4, 5 is literally true: “Israelites, whose is the adoption (as God’s earthly nation), and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the Law, and the (religious) service, and the promises; whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, Who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.” Of course, God coming to them brought about the religion, with is sacrifices, laws, feasts, and directions for everyday life, as to worship, meats, and the many ordinances which ruled the Hebrew’s life.

Now we find the book of Hebrews taking these things away and setting before them the Melchizedek priesthood (not at all after Aaron’s order), which involved the disannulling of the Law and of the whole manner of life of the Hebrew, setting before them the Lord Jesus Christ, risen from among the dead, the great High Priest at the right hand of God, in whom all his hopes are. It is no longer religion, but simple faith in the accomplished work of Christ the Son of God.

One might ask, What about “Church truth” in this book of Hebrews? What about the glorious revelations of the believer’s position in Christ, member of His Body, seated with Him in the heavenlies, having died with Him and been raised in identification with Him: Also, what about the glorious privileges of the believer (sealed by and indwelt with the Spirit of God, as he is), the privileges of being filled with that Spirit and being able to say with Paul, “To me to live is Christ”?

Well, you will find in the book of Hebrews but one hint of the glorious truth God gave Paul to unfold concerning the Church of God. That hint is in chapter 3:1: “partakers of the heavenly calling.” But not a word as to union with Christ, unless indeed it be at the very end: “The God of peace, who brought again from the dead the Great Shepherd of the sheep with the Blood of an eternal covenant, even our Lord Jesus, make you perfect in every good thing to do His will, working in you that which is well-pleasing in His sight through Jesus Christ” (13:20, 21)!

This is of course not because the Hebrew believers had no share in this glorious heavenly truth—by no means! They certainly had that share (in the types and shadows of the sacrificial ordinances, which were symbolic of Christ’s Cross-work—NC). But they had already a God-given religion. This would ever be coming between them and the blessed, glorious finished work of Christ. So the book of Hebrews takes that religion from the Hebrews, leaving them only the Lord Jesus Christ.

- Wm R Newell



L S Chafer comments that, “The Church does not appear in the OT. As something new in God’s provision for Jew and Gentile, the true Church and some of its unique characteristics are spoken of by Paul as mysteries. These mysteries were withheld from the OT saints, but are freely revealed to NT believers, hence the Church is not found in the OT. These mysteries include the Church itself, its Head, its message of grace, the body of Christ as an organism made up of saved Jews and Gentiles, indwelt by Christ as “the hope of glory” (Col 1:27), its ministry controlled by the Lord Himself, its ultimate removal from the earthly scene by resurrection and translation, and its approaching marriage as the Bride of the Lamb. Not a hint of these things appears in the OT. On the contrary, this is the ethnic group which the Lord spoke of when He said, “I will build My Church”; an accomplishment which was still future at the time of its announcement. Never does Scripture confuse it with Israel—past, present or future.”



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I don’t know there netchaplain that’s not necessarily a accurate understanding of the OT v NT. Because neither is in contrast with the other. No more then God stating He is going to do something, and then does it. There are some views that would make you think it is more then that but it really isn’t. Why is it that men can understand when a man especially a leader states he is going to do something and it’s a matter of if he does it or not, but don’t understand that simple logic when it comes to the OT/NT? Why does it always have to have this “religious experience” with it? The understanding of Father Son and Holy Ghost has been there ever since Abraham (father) Isaac (the chosen son who was offered by the father) and Jacob (named Israel by God) and the Lord also continued to call them Children of Israel through out their journey in the desert. And one must be born of the Holy Spirit correct? In order to be a child of God and call Him Father.
The only difference between the two is, there are many things that where not fulfilled then in the NT is now fulfilled and the understanding more complete, as in oh yea I can see that now. This is no different then the many things mention about the return of Christ and the Kingdom to come that men speculate how it should come to pass but yet it will be a, oh yea I can see that now, understanding.

The Israelites in their relationship revealed the church but didn’t know the church. Also Paul teaches that we gentiles are grafted into the same inheritance that was promised Abraham.

The coming together of the bread (the life that Adam had and gave his sons) and wine (the life that Noah had and gave his sons) when the king of Salem (now Jerusalem) brought forth bread and wine (and he was the priest of the most high God), to Abraham. Isn’t that exactly what Jesus did? Who is the King and High Priest of the Most High God who now has given the Life He has to us that replaces those lives. Again the church has been prophesied by the actual life experiences and fulfillment of Abraham and sons since way back.
 

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DPMartin said:
The Israelites in their relationship revealed the church but didn’t know the church.

Again the church has been prophesied by the actual life experiences and fulfillment of Abraham and sons since way back.
The relationship Israel had with God was different from that which the Church has now, involves the difference between being with God, and being in God (which also involves many other truths), which was not disclosed before the Lord began to speak concerning the Church (Mat 16:18; John 14:21), and finally disclosing it through Paul. This is what the theme of the article concerns, which was a "mystery" until Christ mentioned it and Paul revealed it.
 

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As far as relationship, the Lord God was in their presence as well as they where in His Presence. The Lord their God who is the same God that Christianity proclaims, could hear their hearts as well as the Lord their God insisted that they hear His Word and heed it. Other than the revelation of Jesus Christ which is a fulfillment of many things said and done in the OT how is it any different? It isn’t by there deed, correct? It’s by God’s Grace to them and their faith in Him. King David had a relationship that sounds exactly as a true born again souls relationship with the Lord God is like. And just because he was king doesn’t mean no one else in the kingdom at that time had a similar relationship with God.
When it comes to prophecies in the Bible no one knows it’s been fulfilled, or how it’s to be fulfilled and what it means in respect to man’s relationship with God, until it’s been fulfilled.
Again its one thing to see plans of a house and another to see the house that wasn’t and is now. Hence then the "mystery" is over, on what the house was going to be in reality. Jesus fulfilled NT what was planed OT.
 

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DPMartin said:
As far as relationship, the Lord God was in their presence as well as they where in His Presence.
Hi DPM - There is a vastly significant difference between being with God and being in God! This will be the difference in eternity between saved Israel (unbelieving Israelites who become believers after seeing Jesus, and the Father puts the Spirit in them), and the Church.
 

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How can you be in God’s Presence and not be in God or more accurately said "in His Spirit"? How can you be in the Presence of the Light and not be in the Light? Just where do you think Heaven is? Or how is it that the Prophets could hear the Voice of the Lord and those they were with couldn't?

Gen:41:38: And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?

Even those who didn't walk with God could see that the Spirit of God was in a man.
 

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DPMartin said:
How can you be in God’s Presence and not be in God or more accurately said "in His Spirit"? How can you be in the Presence of the Light and not be in the Light? Just where do you think Heaven is? Or how is it that the Prophets could hear the Voice of the Lord and those they were with couldn't?

Gen:41:38: And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?
Even those who didn't walk with God could see that the Spirit of God was in a man.
I'm referring to the eternal indwelling of the Spirit (John 14:16), which position was "not yet given" (John 7:39) to man. This is the only means by which the Father and Son indwells the believer.
 

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Are you saying that the Spirit left Samuel and the prophets of the day? Or Moses or David or the Prophets or Abraham Isaac and Jacob? Or even the example of Joseph I posted? Wasn’t Moses at the transfiguration that Peter James and John witnessed? Didn’t Jesus say that the God of Abraham wasn’t the God of the dead but the God of the living? How is it that Abraham remained living, unless He who is eternal has given Abraham what keeps a souls alive for ever? How is it that some thing different was required then that only God can given, then what is given now, for the same result? God hasn’t changed, only what mankind knows of Him is changed from OT to NT and who is to be God’s People as in Israelites to now include Gentiles. But all sons of man that are after Noah are sons of Noah also, therefore have received the life Noah had which included the possibility of finding Grace in God’s sight. So nothing really changed other than fulfillment.
 

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DPMartin said:
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Are you saying that the Spirit left Samuel and the prophets of the day? Or Moses or David or the Prophets or Abraham Isaac and Jacob? Or even the example of Joseph I posted? Wasn’t Moses at the transfiguration that Peter James and John witnessed? Didn’t Jesus say that the God of Abraham wasn’t the God of the dead but the God of the living? How is it that Abraham remained living, unless He who is eternal has given Abraham what keeps a souls alive for ever? How is it that some thing different was required then that only God can given, then what is given now, for the same result? God hasn’t changed, only what mankind knows of Him is changed from OT to NT and who is to be God’s People as in Israelites to now include Gentiles. But all sons of man that are after Noah are sons of Noah also, therefore have received the life Noah had which included the possibility of finding Grace in God’s sight. So nothing really changed other than fulfillment.
What is required now for salvation is regeneration of the Spirit of God, which was not possible in the prior dispensation, nor was it required until Christ. The thread's primary subject matter concerns the issue that regeneration of the Spirit (Church attainment) was not revealed nor could it occur until Christ.
 

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In the regeneration of who? He who follows the Word of God the Lord Jesus Christ experience this regeneration correct? Just what was it the Israelites where following al this time, wasn’t it the Word of God that was not yet manifest in the Son of man? Who does John say his Messiah is?

Jn:1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2: The same was in the beginning with God.
3: All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4: In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Isn’t this the same that Moses served? According to you is seems regeneration isn’t available to the OT persons.

A clearer understanding after Christ, yes, but different, no. God never changes and the Truth of God never changes, but men’s understanding thereof can change via revelation. The Way to know God has always been the same (through His Word that is Lord of all) since the first man, and the Way men walk in God's Grace has always been the same. God has always heard men through their hearts, and has always spoken to them from within, or men wouldn't seek to do what is right in God's sight.
 

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DPMartin said:
According to you is seems regeneration isn’t available to the OT persons.

The Way to know God has always been the same (through His Word that is Lord of all) since the first man, and the Way men walk in God's Grace has always been the same. God has always heard men through their hearts, and has always spoken to them from within, or men wouldn't seek to do what is right in God's sight.
True, God had always a way to communicate to some in the prior dispensation (His Spirit, angels mostly), but this dispensation involves "A new and living way, which He hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, His flesh" (Heb 10:20), which was not available until Christ.

They could only know about this in types and shadows, but not experience it, which then did not require rebirth, because it was not available, but salvation was to the obedient of Israel only. "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect" (Heb 10:1).