Why is it so difficult to receive our provision and healing by faith?

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Because just as soon as we ask God for them, we do not even give Him time to work... we go back to Egypt and ask the doctor or reach for the sorcery cabinet to take a miracle DRUG in case God needs help.
Or we go back to Egypt to visit the creditor for a loan that puts us in bondage to the lender or borrow from a friend who not only wants it returned but has an alterior motive that he has been meaning to get you to do for them and this will give them leaverage.
Rather we know it or not, we begin walking in our wilderness immediately after accepting Christ to test our loyalty and trust to God.

Jesus was baptised and immediately the Spirit led him into his wilderness to be tempted, for this is how our faith in God grows. The bigger your faith gets, the more God can bless us so that we can depend on Him and no one else.
We are to be solely dependant upon God's provision and protection and healing from the day we said I DO! A good husband provides for his family and we are God's family being brought into the kingdom of His dear Son.
If you have not seen any break throughs in your victories, then check your faith walk. Do you instantly try to fix things in your own fleshly power just as before you came into covenant with YOUR GOD?

Or do you ask, then wait patiently even up to the very last second that the bill is to be paid before you reach for your own hand or the hand of Egypt to help you? God will not share His glory with anything, not a physician, a pill, an medication, nor a creditor to put His child in bondage nor the ungodly and especially DOUBT. WE are supposed to be the lender's and NOT the borrowers for we are a child of the KING, not fornicator's with Satan's kingdom.

Notice the Hebrew children grumbled and complained because they could not believe God for their needs and many of them returned to Egypt and many died. We must not walk in UNBELIEF as they, we must be like Jesus who didn't bat and eye lash when Satan tried and tempted him with provisions for doing things his way, for he stood on the Word and spoke it aloud to what the devil was putting in his ear. And it only took Jesus 40 days to conquer his wilderness but it took those in unbelief 40 YEARS before only some of them reached their promiseland of milk and honey due to their not trusting in GOD AND GOD ALONE! We must enter into Gods rest, meaning that we do not worry for we trust in God for all of our needs, and worry is unbelief, and complaining is unthankfulness. Always be thankful for the dirty dishes or clothes we GET to wash,for others are so blessed to have some etc....
Next time you are ill or in need and the devil tells you, you are going to loose everything or you are never going to get better. Then have that sWord in your mouth ready to defeat him like Jesus did by SPEAKING those things that are not yet seen, as though God will bring them to pass because He gave us His Word!. Then step out in faith, then start walking in trust as if it IS DONE, as you keep STANDING on God's Word every time the devil try's to exalt his word over God's. Do all at the same time Speak it, step out in it, walk in it and stand firm, and seek NO other help. And just see for yourself how quickly God is able to give you the victory! For you will have overcome your fleshes temptation to the enemy.
If you have tried stepping out and believeing God, for say for some financial help to pay your rent or bills but as the time gets closer for the thing to be due, we begin to sweat and fear sets in and you end up breaking down letting the devil win and you step out in unbelief to turn to something or someone else to help you. YOU were duped!
Know that the devil is always going to TURN UP THE HEAT at the last moment giving you thoughts of doubt, and saying if God don't come through you are ruined, or they will shut off my lights or kick me out of my home. YOU just know that when the devil whispers that to you, then KNOW that he KNOWS that your victory is NEAR so he is pouring out his whole bag of tricks .. that is why they always say" it is darkest just before the dawn" Satan is trying to get you out of faith and to JUMP into his arms in unbelief and turning unfaithful to God!
Think of this, Would our God let us down if we truly trusted Him for help?
Hasn't He been TRYING SO HARD to get His people to take Him at His Word and Believe that He is real? Then why do we ever doubt if we need God for a good cause according to His will such as He is our provider, and protector etc..., that He would let us down and loose our trust? Does He want us to be enslaved to Egypt to pay our bills? Of course we use godly wisdom and do not make bills that you do not have the funds for in the first place. But if you have just come to God and you are in debted to the creditors.. do you think that if you came to God and asked Him to give you a way to get rid of your debt that He wouldn't do it, knowing that you may TURN back to Egypt's way of stealing, or cheating or lying to get your needs met? I am not talking about tempting Him, I am talking about trusting our Father to help us to live in a righteous way.

He WILL help you IF you walk by faith and not by sight!
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Heb 3:1-4:1
3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
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so seeking medical advice and taking medicine is sinful?
 

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but it took those in unbelief 40 YEARS before only some of them reached their promiseland of milk and honey due to their not trusting in GOD AND GOD ALONE!
2 Normally it takes only eleven days to travel from Mount Sinai[b] to Kadesh-barnea, going by way of Mount Seir. 3 But forty years after the Israelites left Egypt, on the first day of the eleventh month,[c] Moses addressed the people of Israel, telling them everything the Lord had commanded him to say. Deuteronomy 1:2-3

That blows my mind that an 11 day trip took them 40 years! There is a lesson to be learned there ... disobedience, grumbling and complaining will get you nowhere.
 

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40 days in the OT means 'a long time'
 

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Why is it so difficult to receive our provision and healing by faith?
I think it is because we are flesh as well as spirit. Gal 5:16-17 JMHO.
 

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I am Second said:
2 Normally it takes only eleven days to travel from Mount Sinai[b] to Kadesh-barnea, going by way of Mount Seir. 3 But forty years after the Israelites left Egypt, on the first day of the eleventh month,[c] Moses addressed the people of Israel, telling them everything the Lord had commanded him to say. Deuteronomy 1:2-3

That blows my mind that an 11 day trip took them 40 years! There is a lesson to be learned there ... disobedience, grumbling and complaining will get you nowhere.
Exactly,
When we don't get it right,we get to keep going around the same mountain until we do. Now... if we had the faith of a mustard seed (no contamination) we could say to this mountain......

Angelina said:
I think it is because we are flesh as well as spirit. Gal 5:16-17 JMHO.
That is why we are to not be led of our flesh, but by the Spirit. The flesh needs to see a thing before it can believe in God, But those of the Spirit walk by faith and not by sight. We will never see our healing or anything from God until we can believe it without seeing it FIRST and then rest in God as if it is done.
The Just, shall live, by faith, not by sight. And that is why it is impossible to please God without the works of faith. The works of faith is stepping out on what you believe to be true JUST because God said it was! We take a man's word for truth every single day without even seeing any proof. But we fail miserably when it comes to just believing God's Word.
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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Heb 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
KJV
 
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It is easy to drop into the flesh when you are under pressure...that is my point. People do not live or are not led by the Spirit all the time. That is why there is so much clashing...Galatians 5:17
 

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I think it is important to make the distinction between or physical bodies and 'the flesh' - our physical bodies are not evil or condemned by God - only our fleshly desires and behaviors. Our bodies will be resurrected after death. I mention this because reject of medicine and labeling the body as evil are both found in the teachings of Mary Baker Eddy, who founded the nonChristian sect of Christian Science - her teachings are gnostic and heretical.
 

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aspen2 said:
so seeking medical advice and taking medicine is sinful?
Let me ask you this, Can you show me in scripture where Jesus sent BELIEVER'S to a man because he couldn't figure out what they had or how to heal them?
What did God give us for healing in the beginning? Herbs, right?
Do you know what the enemy is famous for? Twisting Truth!
What does the world call a witch or sorcerer? One who uses herbs for healing right?
Now if God gave us the leaves to keep us healthy, then why do we listen to the devil who has led the world to call them witches & sorcerers?
If you look the meaning of sorcerer, sorcery, witch and the like in the Strong's Concordance in the Greek, you will be suprise to find out that the meaning of these are PHARMAKEA aka Pharmacy, Pharmacist, potions, pill, medication, poisner, drugs. What man has done is taken God PERFECT plants and mixed them with chemicals, mold etc.. and given it to us as MIRACLE DRUGS that rots our bodies. Mold/mildew which is what penicilin is made of was a plague from God that He put in the houses of one in judgement.
Do you know what the word DOCTOR means in the Greek SC? It means a rabbi, teacher of the law as in God's Word. Feeding on the Word of God is what heals us, for our soul is healed as we begin to obey the Word of God and renewing out minds.
When Eve & Adam ate the so called "APPLE" then God took the Doctor(Word of God) away. Hence the saying: An apple a day, keeps the Doctor(Teacher, Rabbi) away.
Do you know how God really teaches us a lesson? He takes away His Word from our eyes and ears, out of our schools, government, families and the world grows in perverse, grotesque darkness and chaos and we shall eat the fruit of it. As we are seeing now in this dark, perverse age we are living in.

Rev 22:1-4
22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
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afaithfulone4u said:
Let me ask you this, Can you show me in scripture where Jesus sent BELIEVER'S to a man because he couldn't figure out what they had or how to heal them?
What did God give us for healing in the beginning? Herbs, right?
Do you know what the enemy is famous for? Twisting Truth!
What does the world call a witch or sorcerer? One who uses herbs for healing right?
Now if God gave us the leaves to keep us healthy, then why do we listen to the devil who has led the world to call them witches & sorcerers?
If you look the meaning of sorcerer, sorcery, witch and the like in the Strong's Concordance in the Greek, you will be suprise to find out that the meaning of these are PHARMAKEA aka Pharmacy, Pharmacist, potions, pill, medication, poisner, drugs. What man has done is taken God PERFECT plants and mixed them with chemicals, mold etc.. and given it to us as MIRACLE DRUGS that rots our bodies. Mold/mildew which is what penicilin is made of was a plague from God that He put in the houses of one in judgement.
Do you know what the word DOCTOR means in the Greek SC? It means a rabbi, teacher of the law as in God's Word. Feeding on the Word of God is what heals us, for our soul is healed as we begin to obey the Word of God and renewing out minds.
When Eve & Adam ate the so called "APPLE" then God took the Doctor(Word of God) away. Hence the saying: An apple a day, keeps the Doctor(Teacher, Rabbi) away.
Do you know how God really teaches us a lesson? He takes away His Word from our eyes and ears, out of our schools, government, families and the world grows in perverse, grotesque darkness and chaos and we shall eat the fruit of it. As we are seeing now in this dark, perverse age we are living in.

Rev 22:1-4
22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
KJV
So in your mind, medicine is evil.

We disagree. I believe your teachings on this subject make faith in Christ harder.

We are simply called to love God and neighbor - not reject good things that have resulted from the minds God gave us.

If you simply focus on practicing God's sanctification by loving others, you will be able to live in freedom from sin, rather than fearing creation.
 

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I think it is important to make the distinction between or physical bodies and 'the flesh'
Gal:5:17 seemed pretty clear that this verse is not talking about the physical body... :huh: Gal 5:19 clarifies this

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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I think it's interesting that Pharmakeia φαρμακεια is the Greek word for pharmacy, which is the practice and making of medications.

Pharmakeia and the Bible
Pharmakeia and its related word forms appear four times in the Book of Revelation as follows:

Revelation 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries (Pharmakeia), nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries (Pharmakeia) were all nations deceived.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers (pharmakon), and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers (pharmakeus), and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

The Epistle to the Galatians lists pharmakeia or pharmacy as works of the flesh for which those doing such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Galations 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft (pharmakeia), hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
 

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aspen2 said:
I think it is important to make the distinction between or physical bodies and 'the flesh' - our physical bodies are not evil or condemned by God - only our fleshly desires and behaviors. Our bodies will be resurrected after death. I mention this because reject of medicine and labeling the body as evil are both found in the teachings of Mary Baker Eddy, who founded the nonChristian sect of Christian Science - her teachings are gnostic and heretical.
Isn't it our flesh man that makes us want to feel the effects of lustful things?
I believe that the First Adam placed in God's garden who WAS CREATED in God's image before he fell due to dying to the Spirit of God making him DEAD and was now given SKIN of an animal nature(lusts) to reproduce.
They had no natural children before the fall and were naked and not ashamed for they had no genitiles. God created everything just as He did Adam, then took Eve out of Adam. Only after they spiritually died and fell and were given flesh as we have did God tell the Woman that SHE would now birth the children... and in pain! That was part of her punishment. We are being transformed to the way it was in the beginning, before the fall, in Christ.
Do you believe that Jesus' resurrected body was flesh and blood...again? Aren't we supposed to be given a heavenly body incorruptable?
Gal 5:16-18
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
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2 Cor 5:16-17
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
KJV
1 Cor 15:37-46
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
KJV

We shall be as the angels says the Bible, we shall not marry or be given in marriage so there is no need for reproductive organs.
 

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afaithfulone - you are preaching gnosticism and dualism. Our physical bodies are not evil. Christ was bodily resurrected.
 

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Angelina said:
It is easy to drop into the flesh when you are under pressure...that is my point. People do not live or are not led by the Spirit all the time. That is why there is so much clashing...Galatians 5:17
Absolutely, I do agree, it is a constant struggle, but as long as we keep growing in Christ aka The Word, we begin to be able to discern when it is our flesh stepping up instead of the Spirit. That is why Jesus said:
Rev 21:7-8
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
KJV
Rev 2:7
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
KJV
Rev 2:11
11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
KJV
Rev 2:17
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
KJV
Rev 2:26-27
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
KJV
Rev 3:5-6
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
KJV
Rev 3:12-13
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
KJV
Rev 3:21-22
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
KJV
 

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gnosticism is a separate religion, but infiltrated the church in the first few centuries. It teaches that our spirits are imprisoned in our physical bodies and that the evil god of the ot is equal and at war with the good god of the nt. It teaches a lot of other ideas too - wikipedia
 

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aspen2 said:
afaithfulone - you are preaching gnosticism and dualism. Our physical bodies are not evil. Christ was bodily resurrected.
I am teaching from the Bible Jesus was not resurrected in the same flesh and blood body that died on the cross, the same bones, but not the same flesh as we have.
Do you believe that Jesus was able to have children? Did he come to reproduce natural children? I don't think so.
Remember the Word BECAME FLESH, but he returned to his same glory he had before with the Father. Notice they did not even recognize him after his resurrection because he appeared to them in a different form.
Heb 2:17-18
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
KJV
Mark 16:12
12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
KJV
John 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
KJV


aspen2 said:
gnosticism is a separate religion, but infiltrated the church in the first few centuries. It teaches that our spirits are imprisoned in our physical bodies and that the evil god of the ot is equal and at war with the good god of the nt. It teaches a lot of other ideas too - wikipedia
I know nothing about gnosticism nor do I practice nor read of anything but the Word of God.


I am Second said:
I think it's interesting that Pharmakeia φαρμακεια is the Greek word for pharmacy, which is the practice and making of medications.

Pharmakeia and the Bible
Pharmakeia and its related word forms appear four times in the Book of Revelation as follows:


Revelation 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries (Pharmakeia), nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries (Pharmakeia) were all nations deceived.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers (pharmakon), and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers (pharmakeus), and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
The Epistle to the Galatians lists pharmakeia or pharmacy as works of the flesh for which those doing such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

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Galations 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft (pharmakeia), hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.




Amen! That is what the Bible says, it is considered a work of man's flesh trying to play God. So is abortion (stopping life, killing life), so is cloning, so is plastic surgery to change things about our God given bodies that we don't like,such as a different nose,higher cheek bones, fuller lips, face lifts, bigger breasts, etc... It is a slap in the face to God as if He did not create us to OUR liking.
And not to forget how wealthy these sorcerers are.
They give you a pill for a symptom and rattle off 20 side effects, so you return to them to complain of the side effects and they say: Don't worry, we have a pill for each one of those, you won't feel them any more, then they rattle off another 20 side effects for each of those pills... But GUESS WHAT? yep, they have pills to HIDE those side effects to and before you know it, all of your retirement money is GONE!
God tells us a FREE & simple thing to do and gave us the Spirit to help us along.
To abide in His Word and repent when necessary
Ex 15:26
26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.
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Ps 103:3
3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;
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Afaithfulone.... Question for you from post #18 re:

"To abide in His Word and repent when necessary"

Just what do you mean by repent? And why would it be necessary?
 

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I think what is being promoted is Christian Science, which is a form of Gnosticism. As you can see they deny the bodily resurrection.

I am teaching from the Bible Jesus was not resurrected in the same flesh and blood body that died on the cross, the same bones, but not the same flesh as we have.
Jesus's body upon resurrection, is the very same body that died on the cross, hence the bodily resurrection and the Orthodox stance. What appeared after the resurrection is His glorified body.

Christian Science is a cult. For the doctrine of the resurrection they state, "His disciples believed Jesus to be dead while He was hidden in the sepulcher, whereas He was alive, demonstrating within the narrow tomb..." They teach that the material manhood of Jesus was not the Christ, the spiritual Christ was infallible. As for the doctrine of healing they claim "The sick are not healed by declaring there is no sickness, but by knowing there is none." As for creation "Man originated not from dust, materially, but from Spirit" Also "Man is God's image and likeness; whatever is possible to God, is possible to man as God's reflection.


To speak of Gnosticism a bit, it promotes the ideas of all things physical being a lesser reality with the spiritual realm being the true reality. In this they always deny the bodily resurrection, which in turn denies the atonement. It is thought that only after shedding this physical body can we truly return to our former self, back to the original form God created Adam and Eve in. The flesh itself is thought of as sinful and burdensome to the spirit. Some forms go through different practices of self denial and various forms of punishment against the physical body. Early sects of Christianity and also some sects of Judaism were involved in such practices and or beliefs thought to stem from Hellenistic influence. The name derives from the greek word "gnosis" which means "knowledge." Some believe the Essenes from the area of Qumran to be Gnostic due to the findings of the Dead Sea Scrolls. These scrolls, as some attribute the writings to the Essenes, described different views of the gospels including the "Gospel of Judas", "The Gospel of Thomas", "The Gospel of Mary", "The War Scroll" and so on. Some believe 1John to be written against Gnostics.