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Discussion in 'Unorthodox Doctrine Forum' started by Doug, Oct 13, 2019.

  1. Doug

    Doug Well-Known Member

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    There are two comings. One for the body of Christ before the tribulation and one for Israel at the end of the tribulation.

    Christ will come, I believe, before the tribulation for the body, the dead in Christ will rise first then we which are alive.

    After the tribulation Christ will come to take the believing remnant of Israel into the kingdom on earth (Luke 12:32).

    1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

    4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    The saints, the body of Christ, will be with Christ forever in the heavenly places. The body of Christ must appear before the judgment seat of Christ for rewards. Here is a verse about the judgment seat, in which the saints (believers) will be with Christ:

    1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

    Now, the body of Christ, I believe, will NOT come back with Jesus at his coming for Israel and the establishment of his kingdom.

    Look at Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

    Now look at Deuteronomy 33:2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

    Now look at Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

    7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

    Deuteronomy is speaking of the saints as being the angels who were mediators of the law.....saints are angels as well as believers. Also the body of Christ had not yet been formed when Deuteronomy was written; the body was not revealed before Paul (Ephesians 3:5).

    Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

    Matthew clearly states the angels will come with Christ to establish the earthly kingdom for believing Israel.

    One last point, Jude could not have prophesised anything about the body of Christ because it was hid in God and only revealed first to Paul (Ephesians 3:9).
  2. Reggie Belafonte

    Reggie Belafonte Well-Known Member

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    Mat 16:27 has been done for 2000 years as all truly born again are Israel.

    Acts 7:52-3 is about who Jesus warned about, that they are of their Father of lies.

    Jesus does not come back in the flesh, it is Spiritual manifest that the people wake up too. the Jews never gave a toss about Jesus when he was in the flesh 2000 years ago, so why would anyone even today, if it were so.
    Jesus gave to they who were worthy of Serving God ( Israel ) and all that they had to do was pick it up, with Nathaniel being the first who did and of who Jesus said was a true Israelite and Jesus explained much more about Nathaniel as to what he will see.
  3. 101G

    101G Well-Known Member

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    not saying that you're right or wrong, but CONSIDER THIS. Christ in a body will only appear once after his resurrection. he returned on Pentecost in Spirit and Power, which was in "Manifestation" of his Spiritual Gifts, NOT AN APPERANCE. his second "APPERANCE" is yet to come. his first APPERANCE was in Natural flesh as a babe, and at his coming in Glorified flesh, which he shall APPEAR in the glorified flesh/body. so no, there is no rapture of any saint before or, during any tribulation. nor after the tribulation, but in his wrath when he comes. then will he deliever his elect, which are here on earth.
    again, not saying that you're right or wrong, but the scriptures are clear, Hebrews 9:28 "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." as said, his first "apperance" was in NATURAL flesh with blood, as a babe. his "second" APPERANCE will be in the GLORIFIED body, without blood. so he makes only one return in apperance. which rules out any rapture.