Will the children of God suffer His wrath?

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H. Richard

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Rom 5:8-9 - NKJV
8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

Eph 2:4-8 - NKJV
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

1 Thess 1:10 -- NKJV
10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

1 Thess 5:9-11 - NKJV
9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
11 Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.
 

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Well then to answer your question, no, of course not!
It was a totally unnecessary question. But it does impact on the false believe that Christians must face the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation (which are expressions of God's wrath).
 
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It was a totally unnecessary question.
HahahahLol,
That was quite blunt!! Made me laugh, thank you!
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Christians are still going to go through the hellfire, your in it now.
Does it not pain you all the Satanic goings on corrupting what was once a Christen Nation.
The separation is to come through hellfire.
If we could of kept a Nation Holy sure they would not go through the Hellfire's, but it does say all will and the reason is because they have turned from God.
You all are going to cop it, you all will reap what you sow, just as ones neighbour's are bad apples, so you are inflicted as well in all this. it's like a pox a disease you are going to suffer from it because of them.
Why do you think that the Devil has brought all the 3rd rate people into your Nation why does one think that the schooling system is so corrupt, it's the work of Satanist.
If the Nations Government has given up on Christianity, well you are gone the hellfire is on the way.
Look at the Jews the Tribe of Israel fell and their you go the majority turned there backs to God and the hellfire came on them and then the same came on the Tribe of Judah. so the same comes on Christianity for the same reason, because they turned there back on God.
Just look at Pope Frances, what a total moron ! no one could be so stupid. he does not stand up for Jesus Christ at all, the bastard hates to mention his Name for crying out loud, he puts the word god in their where ever he can unless he has to say Jesus Christ, this must pain him to say them words. he is Politically Correct so as not to offend Islam and says that they both worship the same god ? god yes he does I am sure, that's with a small g mind, and not God !

The new age Christians embrace the Talmud and Islam under the Political Correctness god ! the word Political truly means Corruption when you can see the bare bones of it unmasked, so Political Correctness is truly just Corrupted Correctness and correctness is truly coercion, so you truly have Corruption Coercion as a god that rules over you.

Political Correctness sounds better than the bare bones of it, Corruption Coercion.
 

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We are Political Correct sounds much better than the words Corruption Coercion.

We are Corrupted Coercion does not have the same ring to it does it ? but that's what it truly is and it's a Socialist doctrine that must dominated over all as that's the rules ! that Hitler in forced as do all the Communist, or you become an enemy of the State. you have no rights to speak up against the powers that be, because you are owned buy them, and that's a fact, you have sold out your soul to their gods to rule over you. you are guilty until proven otherwise is their motto, not as Christian society has it that you are innocent until proven guilty.

All them grubs bumming around and coning people or laying about on the dole who support socialism are going to be in for a huge shock when Socialism dominates, the trains will come and take them away just like they did in Nazi Germany and Communist Nations did, not to mention Islam does the same, people will be shot on site and no one will speak up because they don't have that right, they lost it when they became slaves to the State and only a number, to their Corruption Coercion gods.

How many moronic people have I come across who believe that Communism empowers them all, and they just do not get it, that they become slaves, it's just as it was when Holy Moses came and said let my people go. now why did Moses say that ? well they had a Awesome God ! not political slavery, so they did not need to be slaves, only a stupid pathetic people need to be slaves because they have not God to guide them as they are just only morons.

So yes we are all on the path to becoming Socialist and the wrath will come on all because we will reap what we have sown collectively just as we always have and always have done.

The only ones who are raptured up is when they are dead, not to mention that it's appointed that man only lives once, so you are not coming back down after the Hellfire.
 

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like he really asked a Q or something lol, are you guys really that far gone?
is everyone here a zombie believer now?
HR your prophet, is he?

then let it be as you say here, amen
 
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Mat 8:10, When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
Mat 8:11, And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 8:12, But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

I do believe that Jesus in referring to "the children of the kingdom" is referring to the Jewish people; however scripture also might bear out that He might also be referring to Christians who say to Him, "Lord, Lord" but do not do the will of His Father which is in heaven.
 
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like he really asked a Q or something lol, are you guys really that far gone?
is everyone here a zombie believer now?
HR your prophet, is he?

then let it be as you say here, amen
Consider who among the 600,000 men [without women and children] saved out of Egypt were allowed to continued into the Promised Land: Caleb and Joshua? Were they then the "children of God"? But... although allowed to enter in... that was only after 40 years of suffering in the desert. The others all died but Caleb and Joshua did suffer with them for 40 years, did they not?

Is our God a respecter of persons?

"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" Acts 10:34

Will we receive better treatment than Caleb and Joshua... or Jesus?

"Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also." John 15:20
 
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Will we receive better treatment than Caleb and Joshua... or Jesus?
We need to be careful here. The title is about THE WRATH of God and whether Christians are subject to it. Not sufferings, trials, testings, persecutions, or even martyrdom.

Since you mentioned Jesus, it is Jesus Himself -- GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH -- who took upon Himself (willingly and voluntarily) all the wrath against sin which would otherwise have been directed at us, and would have ultimately led to eternal Hell.

So Christ quenched the wrath of God against the children of God. Therefore they are NOT SUBJECT TO THE WRATH OF GOD.

However those who refuse to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and receive Him as both Lord and Savior will be subject to the wrath of God.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36).
 

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Consider who among the 600,000 men [without women and children] saved out of Egypt were allowed to continued into the Promised Land: Caleb and Joshua? Were they then the "children of God"? But... although allowed to enter in... that was only after 40 years of suffering in the desert. The others all died but Caleb and Joshua did suffer with them for 40 years, did they not?

Is our God a respecter of persons?

"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" Acts 10:34

Will we receive better treatment than Caleb and Joshua... or Jesus?

"Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also." John 15:20

I'm kinda board today, Amadeus, so I think I'm gonna stick my nose in this conversation between you and Byrd.

With the Exodus generation you are equating temporal judgment upon the just with the wrath of God against the unjust in the Day of the Lord.

And with John 15:20 you are equating the just suffering persecution from the unjust with the wrath of God upon the unjust as well.

So those are different contexts for the just suffering hardships. The last two passages cited in the OP make it abundantly clear that the righteous do not suffer God's wrath, so the question was rhetorical. It goes not one iota towards proving that member's usual arguments, LoL, but that is another discussion.
 

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We need to be careful here. The title is about THE WRATH of God and whether Christians are subject to it. Not sufferings, trials, testings, persecutions, or even martyrdom.
"For our God is a consuming fire." Heb 12:29

The same fire that killed the strongest soldiers of Nebuchadnezzar only burned off the ropes which bound the three faithful Hebrews who were thrown into that fire. I suspect Caleb and Joshua were tested and tried by those same things that killed the others during those 40 years in the desert.


Since you mentioned Jesus, it is Jesus Himself -- GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH -- who took upon Himself (willingly and voluntarily) all the wrath against sin which would otherwise have been directed at us, and would have ultimately led to eternal Hell.

So Christ quenched the wrath of God against the children of God. Therefore they are NOT SUBJECT TO THE WRATH OF GOD.
The Word of God, which is Jesus, kills the old man of each person. If a person has nothing but the old man, he is simply dead. If he also has a new man, then this is a cleansing or purification process elevating a person first from unclean beast to clean beast and hopefully before it is finished to a place at the top.

However those who refuse to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and receive Him as both Lord and Savior will be subject to the wrath of God.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36).
The wrath of God is that fire I mentioned above. It means death to the dead and Life to those who continue to surrender to God until the end of their course.
 
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The wrath of God is that fire I mentioned above.
Obviously you have a misunderstanding of this matter. So kindly meditate on this, and do not confuse things which are dissimilar:

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ... (1 Thess 5:9)
 

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I'm kinda board today, Amadeus, so I think I'm gonna stick my nose in this conversation between you and Byrd.

With the Exodus generation you are equating temporal judgment upon the just with the wrath of God against the unjust in the Day of the Lord.
There is reality which is God and those with Him who never die. That which is here and which we may even call life, [the carnal flesh and the doings of the carnal flesh], is the temporal and within that temporal is often expressed to us [if we have "eyes to see" and "ears to hear"] types or shadows of God's reality.

And with John 15:20 you are equating the just suffering persecution from the unjust with the wrath of God upon the unjust as well.

So those are different contexts for the just suffering hardships. The last two passages cited in the OP make it abundantly clear that the righteous do not suffer God's wrath, so the question was rhetorical. It goes not one iota towards proving that member's usual arguments, LoL, but that is another discussion.
As I have at least inferred if not already said, what is God's wrath to one may well be God's chastisement to another. God may use a person who is already walking in condemnation himself to impose a chastisement on one who is born of God. To the carnal man blind to God and the things of God, the two: wrath and chastisement may appear to be exactly the same... but they certainly are not, are they?
 
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Obviously you have a misunderstanding of this matter. So kindly meditate on this, and do not confuse things which are dissimilar:

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ... (1 Thess 5:9)
I guess it is obvious to some that we do not have the same understanding. But, nevertheless, give God the glory!

May He direct each of us to walk on the pathway that He puts before us.
 

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As I have at least inferred if not already said, what is God's wrath to one may well be God's chastisement to another. God may use a person who is already walking in condemnation himself to impose a chastisement on one who is born of God. To the carnal man blind to God and the things of God, the two: wrath and chastisement may appear to be exactly the same... but they certainly are not, are they?

Absolutely not, and now that I see your point I wholeheartedly agree. :)
 
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As I have at least inferred if not already said, what is God's wrath to one may well be God's chastisement to another. God may use a person who is already walking in condemnation himself to impose a chastisement on one who is born of God. To the carnal man blind to God and the things of God, the two: wrath and chastisement may appear to be exactly the same... but they certainly are not, are they?
nice, yeh. nothing ends up as it seems at first, does it
 
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