Woe To Them That Are With Child

[Davy]

That's a metaphor in God's Word, "But woe to them that are with child" (Luke 21:23; Mark 13:17; Matthew 24:19).

What is a 'metaphor'? Merriam-Webster dictionary explains it...

metaphor - a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning in money)

An analogy, or allegory, or parable, are similar. Description of one type of object is used to point to another type of object, often unrelated in type. An example? "You ain't nothin' but a hound dog, cryin' all the time," lyrics by Elvis Presley. A metaphor is simply a figure of speech. God uses it a lot in His Word.


Here is Lord Jesus using the 'blessed are the barren' metaphor, which He applied to the idea of remaining a chaste virgin waiting on Him, and thus spiritually barren without child...

Luke 23:27-30
27 And there followed Him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented Him.
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, "Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck."
30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, "Fall on us"; and to the hills, "Cover us."
KJV

When Lord Jesus was carrying His cross up to be crucified, women of Jerusalem looking at Him wept for Him. Jesus then told them to not weep for Him, but instead for theirselves, and for their children.

Because... He said, the days are coming when those weeping will say that, "Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck." And because those "Daughters of Jerusalem" will say that then in final, they also will realize their shame when He returns, and therefore will wish for the mountains to fall on them, and for the hills to cover them.

That is very powerful metaphor Lord Jesus used there. He is applying the natural idea of a womb that stays barren (without child) as being blessed, but in the SPIRITUAL SENSE. This is where Apostle Paul got the idea in 2 Corinthians 11 that we are espoused (betrothed) to one Husband (Christ Jesus), and we are to remain as "a chaste virgin" for Christ, waiting on Him instead of falling away to the "another Jesus" (Antichrist).

That blessed are the barren metaphor actually was first given through God's prophet Isaiah.

(Continued...)

 

[Davy]

Where Lord Jesus was pulling from with His "blessed are the barren" metaphor...

Isa 54:1-8
54 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

The above we KNOW... is a metaphor. Why? Simply because how can a woman's womb that remains barren and without child, have MORE children than the married wife? It doesn't make sense in the natural order of things regarding woman's womb and marriage. That's because it is a METAPHOR.

God is using the idea of a barren womb ("a chaste virgin") to symbolize the FAITHFUL who wait for Christ Jesus (our True Husband), instead of falling away to SPIRITUALLY MARY another in His place. And thus when Jesus does return, we will be found 'without child', barren, and waiting on Him, and will go with Him into the marriage supper.


2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.

God uses this METAPHOR for both those of Christ's Church that wait on Him, and also for Jerusalem once it is loosed from Satan's grasp at the end when Jesus returns. Jerusalem is to inherit the believing Gentiles in Christ also. And that is how the 'barren woman' will have MORE CHILDREN than the married wife (that were deceived to the Antichrist, and thus didn't wait on Jesus). But for this present world, those in Christ are to be like "a chaste virgin" waiting on Lord Jesus' coming. That means your spiritual womb is to remain 'barren', without child.

4 Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.

Jerusalem is still in 'widowhood' to this day, even since its destruction in 70 A.D. The Babylon Harlot of Revelation 18 even declares that she is 'no widow' but sits a queen, pointing to her marriage to the coming false-Messiah in Jerusalem for the end of this world. But in God's eyes, Jerusalem sits in widowhood while He is not there and idol worship is going on there instead, which is how it will be for the coming great tribulation.

5 For thy Maker is thine Husband; the LORD of hosts is His name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall He be called.

There is where Apostle Paul pulled from in 2 Corinthians 11.

6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.

7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

8 In a little wrath I hid My face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
KJV

(Continued...)

 

[Davy]

The above means... then, to interpret Scripture about the end, like Luke 21:22-23 about those "with child" in that Isaiah 54 sense, about those who did NOT remain "a chaste virgin" waiting on Christ's coming. To put it simply, IF the believer falls away to SPIRITUALLY marry the coming pseudo-Christ which is to come playing our Lord Jesus, then that means you married the WRONG husband, and thus are found "with child" when Lord Jesus does return.

That is why the "Daughters of Jerusalem" and their children per Lord Jesus will say that, "Blessed are the barren..." idea from Isaiah 54. They will be saying that about the FAITHFUL who are NOT found "with child" when Jesus returns. And then those Daughters of Jerusalem and their children will then wish for the mountains and hills to fall on them, and cover them, which are metaphors for shame once Jesus is revealed to them.

To put it more simply...
Spiritual womb NOT barren - Found WITH CHILD spiritually when Jesus comes = you fell away to marriage with the false-Messiah that comes first in place of Christ.

Spiritual womb REMAINED barren - Found WITHOUT CHILD when Jesus comes = you stayed "a chaste virgin" waiting on Lord Jesus' coming instead of falling to the false-Messiah that comes first.


So reading the Luke 21 Scripture again while understanding this 'with child' metaphor...

Luke 21:22-23
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
KJV

Those "days of vengeance" is a pointer to the day of Lord Jesus' future return to end the tribulation, and this present world time. On that day is when the 7th Vial of God's Wrath is poured out upon the earth. Per Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-9, he said those in Christ Jesus are not appointed to God's Wrath on that day of "sudden destruction" on that "day of the Lord".

Notice above in verse 23, Jesus said there will be "wrath upon this people", pointing to them that are with child, and to them that give suck (breast feed) in those days. That is NOT ABOUT REAL PREGNANCY. Jesus is using the METAPHOR of Luke 23:29 about blessed are the barren whose paps never gave suck!

Luke 23:29
For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, "Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck."

Luke 21:22-23
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
KJV

Very strong metaphor that idea of "But woe unto them that are with child". Per Luke 21 that is about those who fall away in false worship to the coming pseudo-Christ, which Jesus warned us about in Matthew 24:24, and Paul warned us about in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-9. The same interpretation applies to the Matthew 24:19 version of this Luke 21:23 metaphor, so also does the Mark 13:17 example.

 

[FaithWillDo]

The above means... then, to interpret Scripture about the end, like Luke 21:22-23 about those "with child" in that Isaiah 54 sense, about those who did NOT remain "a chaste virgin" waiting on Christ's coming. To put it simply, IF the believer falls away to SPIRITUALLY marry the coming pseudo-Christ which is to come playing our Lord Jesus, then that means you married the WRONG husband, and thus are found "with child" when Lord Jesus does return.

Dear Davy,
I can tell that you have put a lot of thought into this post but you are making one of the mistakes which I made many years ago. You are mixing together two different analogies; the marriage analogy and the birthing analogy. They must be kept separate.

In the spiritual language of scripture, Christ's teaches in "spiritual symbols" (metaphors) which have meanings which are different than what man's wisdom teaches (1Cor 2:13). Christ's uses these spiritual symbols in His teachings which include parables (fictional stories), types (actual events) and analogies.

Marriage Analogy
The marriage analogy teaches that when a person receives the Early Rain and is called out from the world, they become like a virgin who is "espoused" to Christ. You pointed out Paul's statement which teaches this truth.

The Parable of the Ten Virgins also uses the marriage analogy and is the primary source for many of its details.

The Five Wise Virgins are the Elect who have the extra "oil" (represents the anointing of the Latter Rain). The Five Foolish Virgins are the called out but not chosen believers. All ten virgins will "fall away" (sleep at night) and lose their salvation. However, since the Five Wise Virgins have the extra oil (Latter Rain), they are made "ready" when the call (call of Elijah) goes out which announces that the Bridegroom is returning for His bride (commonly called the Second coming of Christ). The Marriage of the Lamb represents the believer's moment of salvation. The Marriage Supper represents when Christ feeds His new bride His truth of milk, bread, meat and New Wine. The Marriage Supper is necessary because up until the believer receives the Latter Rain, they are spiritually blind. After they receive the Latter Rain, their spiritual blindness is healed. After it is healed, they will be able to consume the spiritual nourishment of the Marriage Supper.

In Revelation chapter 19, it continues with the marriage analogy and eventually shows Christ and His new Bride riding in judgment over the carnality of the Elect believer. The judgment shown in chapter 19 is not the judgment of the non-Elect believers or the unbelievers. Their judgment comes after they are resurrected in chapter 20 and are cast into the Lake of Fire.

Notice at the end of chapter 19, the beast and false prophet are "taken" and cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the same event that this verse teaches:

Mat 24:40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.

The symbol "two men" represents one Elect believer (one flesh) who contains both the Holy Spirit and the spirit of anti-Christ. The person who has the spirit of anti-Christ (Man of Sin) is "taken" and cast into the Lake of Fire for destruction. Because the Man of Sin is removed from the believer to be judged, the Elect believer does not experience wrath during their time of judgment.

Then, in the next age, the Bride will again reign with Christ over the judgment of the "lost" in that final age. This event completes the marriage analogy.

Birthing analogy
The birthing analogy is a separate analogy and cannot be mixed into the marriage analogy. This scripture below is the foundation for the birthing analogy:

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Hagar. 25 For this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son (Ishmael): for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Satan and the Bondwoman are the ones who births the child of the devil (all mankind). The child is made "worse than the first" (Mat 12:43-45) after the child has the indwelling of the spirit of anti-Christ. This devolution occurs after a person receives the Early Rain and is called out from the world. This spiritually worsened person is called a Man of Sin and is who makes up the apostate churches of the world.

Christ and the Freewoman are the ones births the child of God (the Elect). The child is said to to be in the womb of a believer after Christ plants His seed in a person at the time they receive the Early Rain. The child of God is born when the person receives the Latter Rain.

This verse (which you quoted) teaches this truth:

Isa 54:1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

The children (child of the devil) of the desolate (Satan & the Bondwoman) are more than the children (child of God) of the married wife (Christ and the Freewoman). This is true because most of mankind is not "called out from the world". However, "many" are called out but even from that group of "many", only a "few" are chosen.

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Those who are called but not chosen will remain as a worsened child of the devil (Man of Sin) until they die. Their days as a Man of Sin are not shortened. They will not receive the Latter Rain which will birth the child of God.

Davy, these are short explanations of both analogies. The analogies will not properly teach their messages if you try to combine them. They must be "rightly divided".

Joe

 

[Davy]

Dear Davy,
I can tell that you have put a lot of thought into this post but you are making one of the mistakes which I made many years ago. You are mixing together two different analogies; the marriage analogy and the birthing analogy. They must be kept separate.

Sorry, but you simply don't have a clue what I was revealing from God's written Word. You should have looked into what Lord Jesus meant in Luke 23:27-30 when He quoted from Isaiah 54 about the "Blessed are the barren..." analogy involving those who stay "a chaste virgin" spiritually waiting on Him.

You spent so... much time TRYING to debunk what Jesus showed with quoting that blessed are the barren analogy, too bad it just went right over your head.

Are you Jewish? Are you angry that Lord Jesus pointed to DECEIVED JEWS ("daughters of Jerusalem") when He said that to them in Luke 23? Is that why you try to attack what I revealed from Scripture?

 

[Davy]

Here is how Apostle Paul taught the Isaiah 54 "Blessed are the barren..." analogy.

2 Cor 11:1-4
11 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.

Paul begins with pointing to those at Corinth that he is going to teach an idea that may seem far fetched, or as "folly".


2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one Husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Paul is speaking in the spiritual sense regarding true worship vs. false worship. It of course is analogy, using the idea of betrothal in marriage vs. playing the harlot. That idea of being "espoused" to "one Husband" is directly from the Isaiah 54 analogy. So I am not making this up like the deceived think that read this.

Paul said those in Christ are 'espoused' "to one Husband", meaning espoused to Jesus Christ, as "a chaste virgin". Paul did not mean that in the literal physical flesh sense, for thinking that truly is folly. Paul was speaking in the SPIRITUAL SENSE, about staying spiritually FAITHFUL WAITING FOR JESUS TO COME!

Our Heavenly Father and Son is a jealous GOD. Like a real Husband, He will be angry when He returns and discovers any of us have not waited as "a chaste virgin" for Him, but instead have played the harlot with another, and are found "with child", in the spiritual false worship sense.

So the analogy is actually VERY SIMPLE. And Lord Jesus uses that "with child" analogy to get His Message of Warning across. Apostle Paul does a good job getting Christ's Message across against being found "with child" spiritually also.


3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
KJV

That... is how a believer on Jesus Christ can FALL AWAY from Jesus at the end of this world, and not be found "a chaste virgin" waiting on Jesus' coming. Did yal not know there is a "another Jesus" that some preach? and that is coming first to PLAY our Lord Jesus Christ? Lord Jesus warned about that coming false one, even used the idea of a 'pseudo-Christ' in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24!

Thus Apostle Paul warns about that "another Jesus", and falling away to him in place of Christ, and thus being found as a spiritual harlot when Jesus does return, and are thus found "with child"!

Therefore, THAT ANALOGY IS NOT MINE, BUT THE LORD'S.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

"Woe to them that are with child and to those that are nursing" is to be taken literally. The context of Matthew 24:19 is the Great Tribulation.
Specifically a message to the Jews in Israel, when it is being attacked (by the Beast/Ten Islamic nations assisted by Russia as well), you need to flee. Those with young children are more vulnerable to be killed, have more difficulty escaping - running for their lives.

 

[FaithWillDo]

Here is how Apostle Paul taught the Isaiah 54 "Blessed are the barren..." analogy.

2 Cor 11:1-4
11 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.

Paul begins with pointing to those at Corinth that he is going to teach an idea that may seem far fetched, or as "folly".


2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one Husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Paul is speaking in the spiritual sense regarding true worship vs. false worship. It of course is analogy, using the idea of betrothal in marriage vs. playing the harlot. That idea of being "espoused" to "one Husband" is directly from the Isaiah 54 analogy. So I am not making this up like the deceived think that read this.

Paul said those in Christ are 'espoused' "to one Husband", meaning espoused to Jesus Christ, as "a chaste virgin". Paul did not mean that in the literal physical flesh sense, for thinking that truly is folly. Paul was speaking in the SPIRITUAL SENSE, about staying spiritually FAITHFUL WAITING FOR JESUS TO COME!

Our Heavenly Father and Son is a jealous GOD. Like a real Husband, He will be angry when He returns and discovers any of us have not waited as "a chaste virgin" for Him, but instead have played the harlot with another, and are found "with child", in the spiritual false worship sense.

So the analogy is actually VERY SIMPLE. And Lord Jesus uses that "with child" analogy to get His Message of Warning across. Apostle Paul does a good job getting Christ's Message across against being found "with child" spiritually also.


3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
KJV

That... is how a believer on Jesus Christ can FALL AWAY from Jesus at the end of this world, and not be found "a chaste virgin" waiting on Jesus' coming. Did yal not know there is a "another Jesus" that some preach? and that is coming first to PLAY our Lord Jesus Christ? Lord Jesus warned about that coming false one, even used the idea of a 'pseudo-Christ' in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24!

Thus Apostle Paul warns about that "another Jesus", and falling away to him in place of Christ, and thus being found as a spiritual harlot when Jesus does return, and are thus found "with child"!

Therefore, THAT ANALOGY IS NOT MINE, BUT THE LORD'S.

Dear Davy,
At the time Paul wrote his letters to the churches, the spirit of anti-Christ had not yet come into the church to cause it to "fall away". But that spirit did come into the church near the end of the his ministry. By the end of the 1st century, the church became apostate and it remains apostate to this day.

Because of the apostasy, no one in the church will remain a "chaste virgin". They will all "sleep and slumber" at night. Everyone in the church will fornicate with Satan and will be deceived by Him.

Satan's deceptions are so powerful that they could have deceived even the very Elect if it had been possible.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

The only reason the very Elect were not deceived by Satan is because they were converted prior to the spirit of anti-Christ coming into the church. But that is not true for everyone else who enters the church. Today, shortly after a person enters the church, Satan will indwell the new believer by the spirit of anti-Christ and will utterly deceive them.

Today's church is apostate because it has "another spirit" and is following "another Jesus" and is teaching "another gospel". This false gospel teaches "works" mixed with faith. The foundation of this false gospel is the Doctrine of Free Will. With that false doctrine, all fallen away believers in the apostate church are making themselves out to be equal with God. They have become a Man of Sin.

As for this verse you quoted...

Luke 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

This verse is speaking about believers who have been "born again" and have become a child of God. They are blessed and have no need to give birth to a new child as the birthing analogy teaches. You have greatly misunderstood what Christ is teaching here.

Joe

 

[Davy]

"Woe to them that are with child and to those that are nursing" is to be taken literally. The context of Matthew 24:19 is the Great Tribulation.
Specifically a message to the Jews in Israel, when it is being attacked (by the Beast/Ten Islamic nations assisted by Russia as well), you need to flee. Those with young children are more vulnerable to be killed, have more difficulty escaping - running for their lives.

That above is the general idea the deceived have.

But those deceived about that "with child" metaphor which The LORD gave, and even said to the deceived Jews in Luke 23:29, reveals it is linked to the Isaiah 54 blessed are the barren parable, which means being found without child.

Luke 23:28-30
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, "Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck."

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, "Fall on us"; and to the hills, "Cover us."
KJV

 

[Davy]

Dear Davy,
At the time Paul wrote his letters to the churches, the spirit of anti-Christ had not yet come into the church to cause it to "fall away". But that spirit did come into the church near the end of the his ministry. By the end of the 1st century, the church became apostate and it remains apostate to this day.

No it didn't. And Christ's Church today, His FAITHFUL Church that listens to HIM, in HIS Word, has NEVER become apostate. You like to talk up a story of history that you learned NOT from God, nor from His Word, but instead from secularist thieves whom God did not call.

 

[FaithWillDo]

No it didn't. And Christ's Church today, His FAITHFUL Church that listens to HIM, in HIS Word, has NEVER become apostate. You like to talk up a story of history that you learned NOT from God, nor from His Word, but instead from secularist thieves whom God did not call.

Dear Davy,
You are denying the truth of what Paul said:

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

Though Paul did not write much about it, the coming apostasy of the church was a big deal and very distressing to Paul. He verbally warned his churches for 3 YEARS with tears about its coming. When it came, none of the flock was spared.

Christ talked about the apostasy coming in Mat 24:24 which I quoted in my last post. Also, Christ talked about how it happens within a believer in Mat 12:43-45. No one who enters the church is spared from receiving the spirit of anti-Christ. The entire church became apostate near the end of the 1st century and nothing has changed since that time.

The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares also teaches the coming apostasy. After a person receives the Early Rain (Christ's seed), Satan will come at night (time of spiritual blindness) and plant his seed (spirit of anti-Christ) within the believer, too. This will cause the believer to try and serve two masters (Christ and Satan). They will then mix works (Satan's crooked way) with faith (Christ's straight way) and fall away and become "worse than the first" (a Man of Sin).

In the Parable of the Ten Virgins, the apostasy is presented by all Ten Virgins sleeping at night. When the Ten Virgins were "called out" (Early Rain), they became espoused to Christ. But while all Ten Virgins (the entire church) wait for Christ to come, they all fall asleep. This represents a believer's spiritual death which was caused by "falling away" (mixing works with faith). Even the 5 Wise Virgins who represent the Elect will "sleep". No one is spared from the apostasy. Then, during the deepest part of the Elect's spiritual blindness (at "midnight"), the call of Elijah will announce the coming of Christ. That is why John the Baptist came to the Jewish Elect.
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Note: The Jewish Nation as a whole was "called out" and baptized in the Red Sea. This types the Early Rain. So when Christ came to the Jewish Nation (who had fallen away), they only needed the Latter Rain for salvation and that is what the Jewish Elect received on the Day of Pentecost. The Gentiles will travel the same path and will likewise start off with the Early Rain and being called out. Their time of waiting occurs while they are in the apostate church. When Christ comes, He will bring salvation to them:

Heb 9:28 So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
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Since the 5 Wise Virgins are shown to have the extra oil (Latter Rain), they make it to the marriage ceremony. The marriage is a spiritual symbol and not a literal event. The marriage represents the salvation of an Elect believer. This is when they are "born again". The marriage supper follows the marriage ceremony and it is when this scripture is fulfilled:

Mat 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

The physical Lord's Supper is a type that foreshadows its spiritual fulfillment which is called the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. This event occurs AFTER a believer receives the Latter Rain and is given "eyes that can see". Because the believer can now see spiritually, the believer will be able to consume bread (truth) and the New Wine of the New Covenant. Before the marriage ceremony occurred, the believer was not saved but was "asleep" because of the apostasy.

One other point; When Christ "comes a second time to an Elect believer and gives them the Latter Rain, their spiritual blindness will be healed (Mark 8:21-25). Because of their new spiritual vision, they will "see" the Abomination of Desolation which had occurred with themselves (God's Temple). It is also at this time that the Man of Sin (who they are) is revealed to them.

None of the sheep are spared from experiencing the apostasy. It all happens by the plan and "will" of God. A believer has no choice in the matter.

Joe

 

[Davy]

Dear Davy,
You are denying the truth of what Paul said:

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

Though Paul did not write much about it, the coming apostasy of the church was a big deal and very distressing to Paul. He verbally warned his churches for 3 YEARS with tears about its coming. When it came, none of the flock was spared.

Are you really... that deceived?

Of course Apostle Paul, and Peter too... warned about the perilous times of the last days about false prophets and such that creep in. I never denied any of that, but have given plenty of warnings from those Scriptures!

But does that apply to Christ's FAITHFUL CHURCH which KEEP HIS WORD and COMMANDMENTS, and have THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST! NO... of course not!

Are you of the type deceived that actually believes... Christ's True Church of The Spirit can be corrupted??


Not only did Apostle Paul warn about the crept in unawares, the wolves in sheep's clothing, but so did Jude, and even our Heavenly Father back in the Old Testament. So what Apostle Paul said was not a new thing, for he was simply proclaiming the "mystery of iniquity" which is about the subject of the enmity between the two seeds of Genesis 3:15. Lord Jesus pointed to it also in His parable of the tares of the field.

Jude 4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
KJV

Judg 2:1-3
2 And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break My covenant with you.
2 And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed My voice: why have ye done this?
3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.
KJV

Judg 2:20-23
20 And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel; and He said, Because that this people hath transgressed My covenant which I commanded their fathers, and have not hearkened unto My voice;
21 I also will not henceforth drive out any from before them of the nations which Joshua left when he died:
22 That through them I may prove Israel, whether they will keep the way of the LORD to walk therein, as their fathers did keep it, or not.
23 Therefore the LORD left those nations, without driving them out hastily; neither delivered He them into the hand of Joshua.
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[FaithWillDo]

Are you really... that deceived?

Of course Apostle Paul, and Peter too... warned about the perilous times of the last days about false prophets and such that creep in. I never denied any of that, but have given plenty of warnings from those Scriptures!

But does that apply to Christ's FAITHFUL CHURCH which KEEP HIS WORD and COMMANDMENTS, and have THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST! NO... of course not!

Are you of the type deceived that actually believes... Christ's True Church of The Spirit can be corrupted??


Not only did Apostle Paul warn about the crept in unawares, the wolves in sheep's clothing, but so did Jude, and even our Heavenly Father back in the Old Testament. So what Apostle Paul said was not a new thing, for he was simply proclaiming the "mystery of iniquity" which is about the subject of the enmity between the two seeds of Genesis 3:15. Lord Jesus pointed to it also in His parable of the tares of the field.

Jude 4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Judg 2:1-3
2 And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break My covenant with you.
2 And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed My voice: why have ye done this?
3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.
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Judg 2:20-23
20 And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel; and He said, Because that this people hath transgressed My covenant which I commanded their fathers, and have not hearkened unto My voice;
21 I also will not henceforth drive out any from before them of the nations which Joshua left when he died:
22 That through them I may prove Israel, whether they will keep the way of the LORD to walk therein, as their fathers did keep it, or not.
23 Therefore the LORD left those nations, without driving them out hastily; neither delivered He them into the hand of Joshua.
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Dear Davy,
There are no scriptures which say that some of the church will not be affected by the apostasy after it comes into the church.

The examples I presented in my last post conclusively show that the apostasy spares none of the flock just as Paul stated.

All Early Rain believers (the church) are spiritually blind and are easily deceived by Satan. Christ said that Satan's deception would be so strong that it could deceive even the very Elect. Do you believe you are more enlightened than the very Elect so as to avoid Satan's deceptions?

Here is one more "type" which teaches that the apostasy will cause everyone in the church to spiritually die:

Mar 5:2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, 3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains: 4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. 5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. 6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, 7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, what have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. 8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. 9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, my name is LEGION; for we are many. 10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country. 11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. 12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. 13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.

The "man" who is possessed by the many unclean spirits represents an Elect believer who has been fully made into a Man of Sin. In this “worse than the first” spiritual condition, he is ready for the “ends of the ages" to come upon him (1Cor 10:11).

The stones the man uses to cut himself represents the Law of Moses (man’s work). The unclean spirit (Legion, who are many) represents the spirit of anti-Christ who has spiritually killed the man (he dwells among the tombs). This is how Satan kills the saints (Mat 24:9, Rev 11:7).

When Christ comes to the possessed man with the Latter Rain of the Spirit, Christ drives out the spirit of anti-Christ by the brightness of His appearing (2Thes 2:8). Before this judgment happens though, Legion asks to go into the great herd of Swine feeding upon the hill.

The spiritual symbol “Swine” represents all called out believers (Early Rain only, both Jew and Gentile). When Legion (spirit of anti-Christ) enters the Swine, they run into the sea and are spiritually killed just as the possessed man was killed earlier. None of the Swine are spared.

Joe

 

[Davy]

Dear Davy,
There are no scriptures which say that some of the church will not be affected by the apostasy after it comes into the church.

The examples I presented in my last post conclusively show that the apostasy spares none of the flock just as Paul stated.

Then you TRULY ARE DECEIVED.

If Christ's Faithful Elect become apostates, LIKE another spirit in you is saying, then there WOULD BE NO MORE CHURCH IN CHRIST JESUS!

My hope is that you get cleansed of that other spirit you are allowing to speak through you, as I command that spirit in you to leave you, in the Name of Jesus Christ!


You should try studying Ephesians 1 & 2 by Apostle Paul about the predestined elect before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 2 gives a definition of that foundation too, with Lord Jesus as its Cornerstone.

Anyone who becomes an apostate, falling away from Christ, is CUT OFF FROM CHRIST'S TRUE CHURCH of The SPIRIT. And that means CHRIST'S TRUE CHURCH CAN NEVER BE DESTROYED! And you need to remember that!

So I am done with your lunacy that another spirit in you is pushing, with saying that ALL of Christ's Church is DOOMED TO APOSTASY! That is a LIE from the depths of the devil!

Welcome to my Ignore List! Go back among the FALSE JEWS where you come from.

 

[FaithWillDo]

Then you TRULY ARE DECEIVED.

If Christ's Faithful Elect become apostates, LIKE another spirit in you is saying, then there WOULD BE NO MORE CHURCH IN CHRIST JESUS!

My hope is that you get cleansed of that other spirit you are allowing to speak through you, as I command that spirit in you to leave you, in the Name of Jesus Christ!

You should try studying Ephesians 1 & 2 by Apostle Paul about the predestined elect before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 2 gives a definition of that foundation too, with Lord Jesus as its Cornerstone.

Anyone who becomes an apostate, falling away from Christ, is CUT OFF FROM CHRIST'S TRUE CHURCH of The SPIRIT. And that means CHRIST'S TRUE CHURCH CAN NEVER BE DESTROYED! And you need to remember that!

So I am done with your lunacy that another spirit in you is pushing, with saying that ALL of Christ's Church is DOOMED TO APOSTASY! That is a LIE from the depths of the devil!

Welcome to my Ignore List! Go back among the FALSE JEWS where you come from.

The true church consists of only Elect believers who have received BOTH the Early and Latter Rain and have been converted. The true church still exists today just as it has existed since the Apostles were converted.

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Both the Jewish Nation and the apostate church are the "many" who have been called out (Early Rain only). But contained within the "many" are also the chosen "few". They are the Elect. But before the Elect die, Christ will come to them a second time and pour out the Latter Rain and convert them. At that time, they will come out from the apostate church and will become a part of the true church which will reign with Christ in the final age.

This truth is what scripture teaches over and over again for those who have "eyes that can see".

Joe