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Woe! Woe! Americans will be like African slaves & WWII-camp Jews during Tribulation

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by holyisthelord, Jan 20, 2009.

  1. holyisthelord

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    WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO MANY AMERICANS DURING THE LATTER 3 1/2 YEARS OF THE 7-YEAR GREAT TRIBULATION WHO DON'T ESCAPE TO THE "WILDERNESS" AND ARE STILL ON THE EARTH AT THAT TIME (THIS WILL INCLUDE MANY PROFESSING CHRISTIANS NOT OF THE 144000, FOR THERE IS NO PRE-TRIB. RAPTURE, SO HEED CLOSELY) (Revelation 12-18):The word "Israel" which appears very frequently in the Bible applies to God's treasured people of all ages, not just the people called "the Jews". In fact, "Jew" means someone of the tribe of Judah, which is only ONE of the 12 tribes of Israel! Ten of these tribes were scattered throughout the whole Earth following the Assyrian Exile in the 8th century B.C. mentioned in 2 Kings 16 & warned of by many of the Old Testament prophets! The horrifying exile experience of the 12 tribes by Assyria & Babylon (as well as type of the Antichrist Hitler's persecution of Jews in concentration camps, type of Antichrist's Pharaoh's persecution of Israelites enslaved in Egypt, and the enslavement & oppressions of Africans in America throughout U.S. history) was meant by God to give us a picture of the horrifying experience the U.S.A. & other peoples will undergo during the Great Tribulation at the hands of the final Babylon the Great of Revelation 18, which I will detail below using passages from the Bible! I. EPHRAIM & MANASSEH of House of ISRAEL in "last days"=U.K. & U.S.A.Genesis 48: EPHRAIM & MANASSEH=U.K. & U.S.A.; 16The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them [i.e. "Israel" in Bible refers to U.K. & U.S.A. along with other nations!], and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.17And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.18And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.19And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations. http://britam.org/great.html , http://www.britam.org/USAManasseh.htmlGenesis 49: PROOF THAT DEUT. 33 APPLIES TO THE "LAST DAYS"1And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days...22Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:Deuteronomy 33: EPHRAIM & MANASSEH WILL GIVE RISE TO NATIONS MORE BLESSED THAN ALL OTHERS (AS IS TRUE OF THE "FIRSTBORN"/"FIRSTLING") & HAVING WORLDWIDE INFLUENCE AT THE END OF DAYS:13And of Joseph he said, Blessed of the LORD be his land, for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath,14And for the precious fruits brought forth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon,15And for the chief things of the ancient mountains, and for the precious things of the lasting hills16And for the precious things of the earth and fulness thereof, and for the good will of him that dwelt in the bush: let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him that was separated from his brethren.17His glory is like the firstling of his bullock [bull or ox], and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together [i.e. "all peoples"] to [or "even at"] the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.__________________II. SOME OF THE ABSOLUTE HORRORS WHICH WILL BEFALL THE USA IN ALL LIKELIHOOD DURING OBAMA'S TERM: (these horrors of the "last days" are discussed throughout the whole Bible, and not limited to the Book of Revelation [ex. the experience of the Israelites in Babylon in Daniel 3])Jeremiah 50: THE FATE OF THE U.S.A. AND THE FINAL BABYLON THE GREAT OF REVELATION 18 WHICH WILL BRING PEOPLE OF U.S.A. BABYLON INTO EXILE (the Bible clearly shows there have been many "types"/foreshadowings of Babylon the Great throughout history, including the Roman Empire; see this thorough study of Babylon the Great throughout history http://www.primaryproofsofchristianity.com/bible.html12Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: behold, the hindermost of the nations shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert.13Because of the wrath of the LORD it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues.Genesis 33: SOME PROOF THAT JER. 50 IS REFERRING TO THE U.S. (God authored the whole Bible and always intends us to compare appearances of the same word, such as "hindermost"):1And Jacob lifted up his eyes, and looked, and, behold, Esau came, and with him four hundred men. And he divided the children unto Leah, and unto Rachel, and unto the two handmaids.2And he put the handmaids and their children foremost, and Leah and her children after, and Rachel and Joseph hindermost. [many Americans are descended from Manasseh, a son of Joseph]___Deuteronomy 28: SOME OF THE CALAMITIES THAT WILL BEFALL THE U.S.A. DURING THE TRIBULATION, WHICH UNTIL RECENTLY HAS BEEN "HIGH ABOVE ALL NATIONS OF THE EARTH":1And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:...53And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:60Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.61Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed...64And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.65And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:66And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:67In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.68And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.Deut. 31: PROOF THAT DEUT. 28 APPLIES TO "THE LATTER DAYS" (in addition to the fact that Deut. 28 parallels the warnings throughout all the books of the Old Testament prophets such as Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Amos, etc. who are all clearly warning about the Great Tribulation in addition to the Babylonian & Roman sieges/exiles which foreshadowed it)29For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands. 30And Moses spake in the ears of all the congregation of Israel the words of this song, until they were ended. [THE SONG OF DEUT. 32 PARALLELS DEUT. 28, AND IS SUNG IN REVELATION 15 BY MARTYRS IN HEAVEN TO SHOW THAT IT APPLIES TO THE LAST DAYS!)Leviticus 26: PROOF THAT DEUT. 28 IS REFERRING TO THE U.S.15And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:16I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. [1918 influenza: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/influenza-epidemic/ ]20And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits. [1932-33 famine of Great Depression: proven by the parallel passage referring to the "Dust Bowl" in Deuteronomy 28:23And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. 24The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.]21And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.22I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate. [>300% increase in crime rate in second half of 20th century; evil people like the Antichrist called "beasts" throughout the Bible]...23And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;25And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy. [9/11 one of the first major attacks on the U.S.A. in history & anthrax pestilence which came about the same month![what is to come shortly during Great Tribulation/note parallels with Deut. 28, Revelation 17, Jeremiah 50:12, Ezekiel 5, etc.:]26And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied.29And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.31And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.33And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.The only way to avoid these horrors is to be one of the 144000 who areas "undefiled" by sin as is humanly possible (Rev. 14:4) who will witness "two & two" (Luke 10:1) in the great cities of the world during the first half of the Tribulation before they are resurrected & ascend into Heaven to show the whole world that Jesus was resurrected after 3 1/2 years of ministry! Free yourself from sin as much as possible by devoting yourself to loving God with ALL your heart & mind through prayer, Bible reading, & good works done out of complete faith in Christ, so that you can be one of the 144000 or at least not end up in Hell, "where the fire is not quenched." (Mark 9:48)"Those whom I love, I discipline." (Rev. 3:19) "By fear of the Lord [and Hell, which will be tasted during the Tribulation], men depart from evil." (Proverbs 16:6)
     
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    I'm not worried. I'm looking forward to it, tell you the truth.
     
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    I agree with your post for the most part HolyistheLord except the last paragraph show me scripture that proves the 144.000 go out two by two and that they are the two wittness's You refuse to acknowledge that scripture does not say this. In fact says different The two wittness are NOT THE 144,000 you keep saying it in every post but that isnt proofZec 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What [are] these two olive trees upon the right [side] of the candlestick and upon the left [side] thereof? Zec 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What [be these] two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden [oil] out of themselves? Zec 4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these [be]? And I said, No, my lord. Zec 4:14 Then said he, These [are] the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth. These are two seperate branches (or their representives ) they are not one group i.e. the 144.000 they are clearly two one each side it says nothing about sending the 144.000 out two by two...This is strickly your assumption not based in scripture
     
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    I agree with your post for the most part HolyistheLord except the last paragraph show me scripture that proves the 144.000 go out two by two and that they are the two wittness's You refuse to acknowledge that scripture does not say this. In fact says different The two wittness are NOT THE 144,000 you keep saying it in every post but that isnt proofZec 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What [are] these two olive trees upon the right [side] of the candlestick and upon the left [side] thereof? Zec 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What [be these] two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden [oil] out of themselves? Zec 4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these [be]? And I said, No, my lord. Zec 4:14 Then said he, These [are] the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth. These are two seperate branches (or their representives ) they are not one group i.e. the 144.000 they are clearly two one each side it says nothing about sending the 144.000 out two by two...This is strickly your assumption not based in scripture
    the christians and the jews....it seems fitting to me...any one here have any input on this..
     
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    I agree with your post for the most part HolyistheLord except the last paragraph show me scripture that proves the 144.000 go out two by two and that they are the two wittness's You refuse to acknowledge that scripture does not say this. In fact says different The two wittness are NOT THE 144,000 you keep saying it in every post but that isnt proofZec 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What [are] these two olive trees upon the right [side] of the candlestick and upon the left [side] thereof? Zec 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What [be these] two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden [oil] out of themselves? Zec 4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these [be]? And I said, No, my lord. Zec 4:14 Then said he, These [are] the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth. These are two seperate branches (or their representives ) they are not one group i.e. the 144.000 they are clearly two one each side it says nothing about sending the 144.000 out two by two...This is strickly your assumption not based in scripture
    the christians and the jews....it seems fitting to me...any one here have any input on this..Ezekiel 37:16 - Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:Ezekiel 37:17 - And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.Ezekiel 37:18 - And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?Ezekiel 37:19 - Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
     
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    the christians and the jews....it seems fitting to me...any one here have any input on this..
    Or put another way the Law (Judah) and Grace (Israel) which is why I believe that two wittness will be one representing Jews(Law) and one representing Christianity (Grace)
     
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    the christians and the jews....it seems fitting to me...any one here have any input on this..
    I will have to look for it in my archive, but I have a word from a servant that suggests that very thing. When I sent it to others they bore witness to it as smacking of truth. Hold on, let me see if I can find it.
     
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    Well I couldn't find it. But the jist of the email was the two witnesses were the Jew and the Christian. However, even though it sounded and read as though it could be true, I dismissed it since I think it's apparent, based on the writing of John and Zechariah, that the two are two distinct persons.
     
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    Well I couldn't find it. But the jist of the email was the two witnesses were the Jew and the Christian. However, even though it sounded and read as though it could be true, I dismissed it since I think it's apparent, based on the writing of John and Zechariah, that the two are two distinct persons.
    also the ram and its two horns . and what was the deadly wound that was healed , [not this nipolian thing] but what was the wound..any ideas out there.as i am on a quest to find the truth..tku
     
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    Ive never known of the deadly wound to be identified Bullfighter What we know is that it is to one of the heads (governments ) of the New World Order. I suspect though it is just an opinion not scripture that its is more than one thing for Example: If the U.S was this nation that receives the deadly wound it could be a finacial failure ..but the causes the failure are many we are now on shakey ground with our economy could a terriosts attack, or natural disaster push us over the edge? I think thats why its not told to us in a single verse rather spread out in different prophecys in scripture we may not be able to put together until after the fact hindsight being 20/20
     
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    The Two Witnesses of Rev. 11=144,000 Christians who will witness in pairs Rev. 1:26: "the seven lampstands are the seven churches" ANDRev. 2-3: Smyrna & Philadelphia ("brotherly love") are the only two of the seven churches (which represents all people professing to be Christians today, throughout history, and in John's day) not rebuked by Jesus in Revelation 2-3 and threatened to all be "cast" into terrible "Tribulation" ANDRomans 11:17: the Gentiles are called an "olive tree" ANDLuke 10:1: "The Lord sent them [seventy disciples] out two and two [to witness the Gospel] before his face into every city and place, whither He Himself would come [foreshadowing of events preceding Jesus' Second Coming]." BUTRev. 11:4: the "two witnesses" are "the two lampstands" & "the two olive trees" which represent God the Father & God the SonTHEREFORE the Two Witnesses of Rev. 11 are Christians who will witness in pairs in many cities Furthermore, many facts show that the 144,000=the sets of Two Witnesses.* For instance, consider -that the 144,000 are called "the firstfruits" (Rev. 14:4) as Christ is called "the firstfruit of those fallen asleep" in reference to his rising from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:20) along with the fact that the people martyred (including the witnesses) and ONLY the people martyred are said in Revelation 20 to partake of the "FIRST resurrection."-that the 144,000 are pictured in Heaven in Revelation 14 & 15 BEFORE the rest of the Christians arrive, for during this time the Christians are in the "wilderness" (Revelation 12, Exodus 16-17, Matthew 3 & 4) hungering & thirsting in order to undergo purification from sin & thereby be made pleasing to God's taste after He had spit them out (Rev. 3:16)-the wall of the New Jerusalem is "144 cubits, a MAN's measure, that is, an ANGEL's" (Rev. 21:17); this verse echoes the "measuring" of the "temple" and of the "altar and them that sacrifice in it" in Rev. 11:1 in the chapter about the two witnesses, for true Christians like the 144000 martyrs are "the temple of the Holy Spirit" (1 Corinithians 3) and the 144K are pictured worshipping under an "altar" in Rev. 6. *Exodus 4-10 (Moses & Aaron causing plagues) & Rev. 11:6 ("they smite the Earth with PLAGUES as often as they will") suggest that the 144000 witnesses are actually the agents through which the seven trumpet judgments of Rev. 8-9 take place! This hypothesis is confirmed by the facts that the ANGELS are said to perform the plagues.the 144,000 who are sealed in Revelation 7 are "spiritual Israel," not ethnic Jews (at least not altogether), who are said by Jesus to be of the "synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 2,3 in the passages about the two churches of Smyrna & Philadelphia which will have members witnessing in pairs):-"The real Jew" is the person who is "circumcised in the heart" (Romans 2:28) -Christians are children of "the heavenly Jerusalem" (Galatians 4), which represents the "city" (association) of true Christians. -Israel means "has prevailed with God" [in gaining the "blessing" of eternal life which Jacob/Israel strove with Jesus "the angel of the LORD" for in Genesis 32] -"Jew" means of the tribe of Judah, which is only one of the twelve tribes of Israel. Ten of the twelve tribes were scattered throughout the whole Earth by Assyria in the 8th century BC in accordance with prophecy as early as Deuteronomy 28. Britain & the USA originated from Ephraim and Manasseh respectively: http://britam.org/great.html , http://www.britam.org/USAManasseh.htmlThese two witnesses will be witnessing about Jesus in all "the great cities" (Rev. 11:8)- i.e. the Babylons "the great city" (Rev. 17:18)- of the Earth, including Rome, New York City, Hollywood Babylon, Paris Babylon, San Francisco ("Babylon by the Bay"), etc. They will have miraculous powers like Moses & Aaron to testify to their truth! They will be resurrected to show the whole world that Jesus really rose from the dead! Many cities including Paris currently or in the past have fit the description of Mystery Babylon, including Paris which was the capital of Napoleon Empire & was thereby a foreshadowing of "the great city which rules over the kings of the Earth." (Rev. 17:18) This site discusses the many Babylons throughout world history: http://primaryproofsofchristianity.com/bible.htmlThe Bible indicates there are many Babylons by applying the language of Rev. 17-18 to many cities in the Bible, including Jerusalem (Deut. 4:6, Lam 1:1), Nineveh "the great city" (Jonah 1, Zeph. 2:15), Babylon, Tyrus/Tyre (Ezekiel 26-27), etc.Only these people (who are equal to the 144,000) will be sealed so that they won't be harmed by the locusts (Rev. 7,9) and won't suffer in the wilderness of famine and thirst (Rev. 12) like the Jews & Jesus did (Exodus 16-17, Matt. 4). "Pray at all times that you may be worthy to escape these things" (Luke 21) that "are about to come upon the whole habitable Earth" (Rev. 3:10), which you can only do if you "keep My Word of endurance" (Rev. 3:10) by meditating on God's holy Bible "day and night" (Psalm 1).They will have the spirit of Elijah as John the Baptist was said to have had by Jesus, who even equated John with Elijah (Matthew 11).* That is the meaning the last sentence of the Old Testament in Malachi 4 that "I will send Elijah before the great & terrible day of the LORD."As there are types of Christ & the Antichrist, so there are Types (foreshadowings) of the two witnesses (144,000=12x12,000) who all symbolize God the Father & Jesus having the same divine nature:-Moses who is "like God" to Aaron & Aaron his "prophet"-Elijah "the lord" & Elisha-Zerubbabel the governor & Joshua the priest-Paul & Barnabas-Paul & Silas-the 12 Apostles-the 12 minor prophets-the 4 major prophets-the 24 elders (which include some of the above-mentioned people)
     
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    the 144000 will in all likelihood include some ethnic Jews converted to Christianity, since they are of the tribe of Judah which is one of the tribes mentioned in Revelation 7 as included in the 144000
     
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    I have read many strange things before, but this is in the top 3. What will pass will prove you wrong. It's OK...there are many who interpret the scriptures wrong.
     
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    holyisthelord please stop posting this same thing in every thread its still wrong no matter how many times you post it and I have explained why in the other threads you posted it. You can debate it there but not in every thread.
     
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