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Women Can They Teach In Churches?

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    Hi Everyone,I was reading the bible yesterday on the first Timothy 2:9 where Paul wrote to Timothy telling him that women should not teach or have authority on men. 9: In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10: But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12: But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13: For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14: And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.I remember a woman in my church teaching at the pulpit. My question is can a woman be a minister or can she teach in a church?My second question is when Paul says women should adorn themselves in modest apparel, is he referring to the way women dress in churches at his time specifically the churches at Ephesus? If the answer is yes, then what about in our generation where women dress in an appealing way to men when going to church? I mean in skirt and tops showing parts of their body? Is this right? Your comments are highly appreciated.Ami
     
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    Of course they can teach (Sunday schools, women studies, and have some direct insight). But a woman cannot have direct over men. AKA: Pastor over them.It's a touchy subject but 1 Cor. 7 covers the subject nicely.
     
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    we are told that to live a christian life worthy of god then we should believe and trust in whats said in the bible and follow the doctrines established. through the years culture and society has changed dramatically from what we know of biblical times and the church has adapted to these changes with increasingly flexible guidelines and interpretations of scriptures. as an example, only 50-60 years ago it was considered taboo to show up to a church service in anything but your best clothes with the women unable to wear jeans or make-up. as our culture has changes now you can see pastors preaching in flip flops and shorts while women wear pretty much whatever they want. another example, Exodus 21 and 22 lays out the rules concerning owning hebrew slaves and gave fathers the right to sell their daughters as maidservents. nowadays such acts as slavery are considered atrocities and crimes against humanity.
     
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    QUOTE (Wakka @ Apr 7 2009, 01:12 AM)
    Of course they can teach (Sunday schools, women studies, and have some direct insight). But a woman cannot have direct over men. AKA: Pastor over them.It's a touchy subject but 1 Cor. 7 covers the subject nicely.
    Quite frankly, I'm all for women teaching His Words as the same with men. Should I listen to male wolves over female shepherd? No... Quite frankly, I'm proud to say Christ has no problem with women teaching His Words under any circumstances.
     
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    I see how women get ate up over this stuff.Firstly, It's nothing against women. Women teaching in church should not be over men. Women are allowed to testify to others male or female.The reason for this is "God is a God of order". The order is Jesus-Man-Woman. "For God did not create man for woman but woman for man"It has nothing to do with "Oh, well, you see, women didn't know anything back then and couldn't read, so now it's different".The bible says no and that's the way it is.On the other hand, no man should "Lord his authority", so many men have done this, and perverted the word of God. Teaching men in the church is not to be done, women pastors is not to be done, women deacons is not to be done, women priests is not to be done, women bishops is not to be done. Based on the above mentioned scriptures by others in this post.As far as a bible study like this forum, I don't see any harm, as we are to edify eachother, but in worship or of the church we should observe the "order of things".
     
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    QUOTE (WhiteKnuckle @ Apr 7 2009, 04:17 PM)
    I see how women get ate up over this stuff.Firstly, It's nothing against women. Women teaching in church should not be over men. Women are allowed to testify to others male or female.The reason for this is "God is a God of order". The order is Jesus-Man-Woman. "For God did not create man for woman but woman for man"It has nothing to do with "Oh, well, you see, women didn't know anything back then and couldn't read, so now it's different".The bible says no and that's the way it is.On the other hand, no man should "Lord his authority", so many men have done this, and perverted the word of God. Teaching men in the church is not to be done, women pastors is not to be done, women deacons is not to be done, women priests is not to be done, women bishops is not to be done. Based on the above mentioned scriptures by others in this post.As far as a bible study like this forum, I don't see any harm, as we are to edify eachother, but in worship or of the church we should observe the "order of things".
    Why was there women ministered unto Christ? (Mark 15:40-41) And Christ had absolutely no problem with it?What if no man doing their job to preach God's Words, yet all men decided to preach their traditions of men, should woman still be silence to listen to every male wolves? The answer is no. God never intended women to be floor mats to men. Women are never instructed to be obedience to men if they are not doing their parts as the Body of Christ.I'm proud of the fact that woman can teach. (Joel 2:28, Acts 2:17) I rather listen to a female shepherd over a male wolves any day. The same goes to the other one. I rather listen to a male shepherd over a female wolves any day.And this post came from from a gender of being male because I am a guy.
     
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    QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 7 2009, 05:50 PM)
    Why was there women ministered unto Christ? (Mark 15:40-41) And Christ had absolutely no problem with it?What if no man doing their job to preach God's Words, yet all men decided to preach their traditions of men, should woman still be silence to listen to every male wolves? The answer is no. God never intended women to be floor mats to men. Women are never instructed to be obedience to men if they are not doing their parts as the Body of Christ.I'm proud of the fact that woman can teach. (Joel 2:28, Acts 2:17) I rather listen to a female shepherd over a male wolves any day. The same goes to the other one. I rather listen to a male shepherd over a female wolves any day.And this post came from from a gender of being male because I am a guy.
    I figured that you were a guy, none the less, my comment wasn't directed towards you (if I thought you were a woman).Ministered doesn't nessisarily mean, "Preached to, taught, over see" It's also this9. to give service, care, or aid; attend, as to wants or necessities.: to minister to the needs of the hungry. 10. to contribute, as to comfort or happiness. As Mary Magdeline washed Jesus' feet with her hair and anointed him with scented oil. And many others, but that's just one example.As far as in Joel and Acts,,,,,,,,, Prophesy is not teaching. It's forseeing the future events as the Lord shows them.If there is no one else, I'm sure God will make concessions, that's obvious. But as far as in an already established church, no it's not allowed. It's not allowed in marriage either.Why do people want to argue this point so much?No means No, not yes sometimes, or maybe, or well, in this situation, or that situation. NO, meaning of No is YOU CANNOT.
     
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    My humble opinion, is man is over the woman, she disgraces herself if she places herself over the man. The woman came from the man.The Law has been established for this dispensation. Our time comes in the millennium.Jeremiah 31:22 The Lord will create a NEW THING ON THE EARTH, A WOMAN WILL ENCOMPASS A MAN. No where in the bible is a description giving telling a woman how to get placed in the pulpit. She is rather told to serve the younger women. And to be of help. after all we are a help mate. Like Priscilla and helped her husband in their home teach Apollo the truth. It is to help others when needed and are able, we women are not to teach, for that is the man with the heart for a noble task place to teach the churches. Vickie
     
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    I'm curious what you folks that believe women should not teach do with Anna?QUOTE
    Luke 2:36-38And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity; And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day. And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.
    The word used here for spake is the Greek laleō, which was used for Jesus when he spake (taught) the multitudes. She wasn't just sharing a testimony, or only dealing with women, she spoke to all of them that "looked for redemption."I broach this Prophetess not to be combative, I just get some blank stares sometimes with this example when I bring Anna up face to face. It does admittedly seem to counter the notion that a woman cannot be in a pulpit or teach.
     
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    QUOTE (Denver @ Apr 7 2009, 08:33 PM)
    I'm curious what you folks that believe women should not teach do with Anna?The word used here for spake is the Greek laleō, which was used for Jesus when he spake (taught) the multitudes. She wasn't just sharing a testimony, or only dealing with women, she spoke to all of them that "looked for redemption."I broach this Prophetess not to be combative, I just get some blank stares sometimes with this example when I bring Anna up face to face. It does admittedly seem to counter the notion that a woman cannot be in a pulpit or teach.
    I like the response you brought! But prophetess is not described as a teacher, or minister. One who is ordained by the Lord to speak certain things directly from him. For the temple rules were a man came and stood on a rock or some platform and spoke in the middle of the temple area. The women's room they had to attend on Sabbath was in behind the Gentile's room in the temple area. Though the Priest were ordained to receive the animals for sins and office duty, no where in the laws of Moses was a woman given that place as Priest only a Rabbi.And Anna was not a Rabbi.Being a prophetess telling or speaking about the redemption is prophecy. I believe there is described the area of the temple she served in her fasting and prayer at the temple. He husband also served there if I remember correctly. Anna did not go and stand on the rock and read scriptures. The services from what I have read out of the bible directly is that the torah is read to the people, by a man, it would have been a dishonor to God and the people for a woman to speak. Paul brings this out some in his writing for it is not ordained by God. This is my stand from all I read, and in my humble opinion from the bible verse. But, each sees their own to some degree or another. Who am I to judge? I would never stand up in the pulpit and speak to teach an assembly. It is against my conscience. Other may and will find out from God when he comes if they were correct or not......LOL Vickie
     
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    QUOTE (Vickie @ Apr 7 2009, 11:44 PM)
    QUOTE (Denver @ Apr 7 2009, 08:33 PM)
    I'm curious what you folks that believe women should not teach do with Anna?QUOTE
    Luke 2:36-38And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity; And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day. And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.
    The word used here for spake is the Greek laleō, which was used for Jesus when he spake (taught) the multitudes. She wasn't just sharing a testimony, or only dealing with women, she spoke to all of them that "looked for redemption."I broach this Prophetess not to be combative, I just get some blank stares sometimes with this example when I bring Anna up face to face. It does admittedly seem to counter the notion that a woman cannot be in a pulpit or teach.I like the response you brought! But prophetess is not described as a teacher, or minister. One who is ordained by the Lord to speak certain things directly from him. For the temple rules were a man came and stood on a rock or some platform and spoke in the middle of the temple area. The women's room they had to attend on Sabbath was in behind the Gentile's room in the temple area. Though the Priest were ordained to receive the animals for sins and office duty, no where in the laws of Moses was a woman given that place as Priest only a Rabbi.And Anna was not a Rabbi.Being a prophetess telling or speaking about the redemption is prophecy. I believe there is described the area of the temple she served in her fasting and prayer at the temple. He husband also served there if I remember correctly. Anna did not go and stand on the rock and read scriptures. The services from what I have read out of the bible directly is that the torah is read to the people, by a man, it would have been a dishonor to God and the people for a woman to speak. Paul brings this out some in his writing for it is not ordained by God. This is my stand from all I read, and in my humble opinion from the bible verse. But, each sees their own to some degree or another. Who am I to judge? I would never stand up in the pulpit and speak to teach an assembly. It is against my conscience. Other may and will find out from God when he comes if they were correct or not......LOL VickieWell, that can be said for a prophet as well... but when one prophecy to one another, aren't you still teaching about a certain event to come? Of course you are. So therefore you aren't going against scripture... In fact Christ had no problem with women teaching. (Mark 15:40-41) God never intended woman to be floor mats to men... If men aren't doing their job to edify the Body. Are women suppose to remain silence while lies are being taught. No.And Vickie, I'll say this here, you are technically in a church right now. A church on a website... A church on a forum. And what are you doing? Aren't you teaching regardless about a certain event? And God does not dwell in buildings made by human hands.Prophet and Prophetess are the same word... One male and the other is female.
     
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    Thanks for the response Vickie.I'm still not sure, though. I mean based upon my own understanding of the word prophet (from which prophetess is derived), this is a position where you are a mouthpiece of God. I could see the assertion that she just spoke an oracle from God at the temple, but a clause in the passages I provided from Luke identifies her in a role of teaching as she explicitly spoke to all that came to Jerusalem looking for redemption. Again, the word rendered spake in the KJV is used often of Jesus when he was preaching to the multitudes.I'm just seeing a strong correlation here with my own knowledge of what a prophet is and what some definitions are:prophetess: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexico...G4398&t=KJVDerived from Prophet (Root): http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexico...G4396&t=KJVAgain, not trying to argue, but this seems to be quite a position of power and authority from God for a sex that was not supposed to be such a speaker. The commonly referred-to passages do say for her to be silent; so do we have a disagreement in the Bible here or maybe we're missing the point of the passages in the epistles to the Corinthians and Timothy?
     
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    QUOTE (Denver @ Apr 8 2009, 09:39 AM)
    Thanks for the response Vickie.I'm still not sure, though. I mean based upon my own understanding of the word prophet (from which prophetess is derived), this is a position where you are a mouthpiece of God. I could see the assertion that she just spoke an oracle from God at the temple, but a clause in the passages I provided from Luke identifies her in a role of teaching as she explicitly spoke to all that came to Jerusalem looking for redemption. Again, the word rendered spake in the KJV is used often of Jesus when he was preaching to the multitudes.I'm just seeing a strong correlation here with my own knowledge of what a prophet is and what some definitions are:prophetess: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexico...G4398&t=KJVDerived from Prophet (Root): http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexico...G4396&t=KJVAgain, not trying to argue, but this seems to be quite a position of power and authority from God for a sex that was not supposed to be such a speaker. The commonly referred-to passages do say for her to be silent; so do we have a disagreement in the Bible here or maybe we're missing the point of the passages in the epistles to the Corinthians and Timothy?
    I know you're not being argumentative in any way. For me I have to remember for guidance concerning women is the law spoken of in the Prophets that established the order of the temple. The Levitical Priesthood, that God ordained into that covenant. It would be breaking his laws established and not be obedient to the Lords orders. This is why I know that Anna, being of the Lord's, a prophetess, who followed the Law of God in this, or she wouldn't not have been chosen by God to proclaim his oracle of prophecy given to her. Obedience to the established Law is why I know she was not a speaking in that office of Rabbi/Levite. LOL vickie
     
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    en⋅com⋅pass   /ɛnˈkʌmpəs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [en-kuhm-puhs] Show IPA –verb (used with object) 1. to form a circle about; encircle; surround: He built a moat to encompass the castle. 2. to enclose; envelop: The folds of a great cloak encompassed her person. 3. to include comprehensively: a work that encompasses the entire range of the world's religious beliefs. 4. Obsolete. to outwit. The Greek word is what ever greek word is but Encompass is this. So, I guess man will be obsolete. Oh well.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Origin: 1545–55; en- 1 + compass Related forms:en⋅com⋅pass⋅ment, noun
     
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    Why should God have any problems with women teaching, God is raising up both men and women for the days ahead to serve Him in all things, but here we go again, telling God what He will and will not do. Once upon a time, my religion kept God in a book, relesed Him on sunday for a few hours but kept Him inside a building just incase He escaped, But then oneday God showed me , He doesnt live in a building, Hes not locked up in a book, and He certainly is free to wander where ever He chooses when ever He wants. Stop limiting God, and watch and see what HE can do.
     
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    QUOTE (mjrhealth @ Apr 9 2009, 05:40 AM)
    Why should God have any problems with women teaching, God is raising up both men and women for the days ahead to serve Him in all things, but here we go again, telling God what He will and will not do. Once upon a time, my religion kept God in a book, relesed Him on sunday for a few hours but kept Him inside a building just incase He escaped, But then oneday God showed me , He doesnt live in a building, Hes not locked up in a book, and He certainly is free to wander where ever He chooses when ever He wants. Stop limiting God, and watch and see what HE can do.
    God has all his disciples, both male and female, spreading the gospel by how we are to others, how we live our life for him in this world is referenced by our being lights on a hill in city of darkness. WE EACH HAVE OUR RESPECTED ROLES. God calls for government from the head down, the Lord established government in this Age and in the Age to come, there has to be order and if we refuse that order, we are showing him we are not under control by His way,but rather ours, which is exactly what Satan thought. Satan being given an angelic office, and much freedom, though under God's chain of command, came to think he was superior to God. The bible does not infer that concept government is abolished, that falls under Satan's deception. You're right about God being everywhere, and he sees our hearts our obedience to His Laws established by HIM and He placed these governing authorities in their prospective places.Romans 13:2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against "WHAT GOD HAS INSTITUTED" and those "WHO DO SO WILL BRING JUDGMENT ON THEMSELVES.". Romans 13 speaks about government from God established over all countries by God, until HE COMES and Removes them, which he is very soon.As God set up governments over the earth, God also has a Law that surrounds His people for them to live by aside from the Governing authorities. Satan did not stay in that Law with the freedom given to Satan and he fell. He will face severe punishment when Christ returns and be cast into the Abyss. To think God just wanders through the Universe with out Laws he himself established to keep order and peace established is not biblical. For if we live within God's Law's we have peace, step outside them to the point Satan has and you will become angry, jealous, spiteful, deceiving along with malice, all the attributes that Satan has developed. Satan developed these sins, when he being a beautiful angel, let sin set in with Him. I Cor 6:2-4 Do you not know we will judge angels? We will judge the world? To Judge their are Laws in place that must be followed. God's laws. Vickie
     
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    QUOTE (Vickie @ Apr 9 2009, 10:52 AM)
    QUOTE (mjrhealth @ Apr 9 2009, 05:40 AM)
    Why should God have any problems with women teaching, God is raising up both men and women for the days ahead to serve Him in all things, but here we go again, telling God what He will and will not do. Once upon a time, my religion kept God in a book, relesed Him on sunday for a few hours but kept Him inside a building just incase He escaped, But then oneday God showed me , He doesnt live in a building, Hes not locked up in a book, and He certainly is free to wander where ever He chooses when ever He wants. Stop limiting God, and watch and see what HE can do.
    God has all his disciples, both male and female, spreading the gospel by how we are to others, how we live our life for him in this world is referenced by our being lights on a hill in city of darkness. WE EACH HAVE OUR RESPECTED ROLES. God calls for government from the head down, the Lord established government in this Age and in the Age to come, there has to be order and if we refuse that order, we are showing him we are not under control by His way,but rather ours, which is exactly what Satan thought. Satan being given an angelic office, and much freedom, though under God's chain of command, came to think he was superior to God. The bible does not infer that concept government is abolished, that falls under Satan's deception. You're right about God being everywhere, and he sees our hearts our obedience to His Laws established by HIM and He placed these governing authorities in their prospective places.Romans 13:2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against "WHAT GOD HAS INSTITUTED" and those "WHO DO SO WILL BRING JUDGMENT ON THEMSELVES.". Romans 13 speaks about government from God established over all countries by God, until HE COMES and Removes them, which he is very soon.As God set up governments over the earth, God also has a Law that surrounds His people for them to live by aside from the Governing authorities. Satan did not stay in that Law with the freedom given to Satan and he fell. He will face severe punishment when Christ returns and be cast into the Abyss. To think God just wanders through the Universe with out Laws he himself established to keep order and peace established is not biblical. For if we live within God's Law's we have peace, step outside them to the point Satan has and you will become angry, jealous, spiteful, deceiving along with malice, all the attributes that Satan has developed. Satan developed these sins, when he being a beautiful angel, let sin set in with Him. I Cor 6:2-4 Do you not know we will judge angels? We will judge the world? To Judge their are Laws in place that must be followed. God's laws. VickieVickie, I just want to know that I Corinthians 6:2-4 is not for today's times. These scriptures are for a later time... which is the Millennium Reign.
     
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    QUOTE (ami @ Apr 6 2009, 10:35 PM)
    Hi Everyone,I was reading the bible yesterday on the first Timothy 2:9 where Paul wrote to Timothy telling him that women should not teach or have authority on men. 9: In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10: But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12: But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13: For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14: And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.I remember a woman in my church teaching at the pulpit. My question is can a woman be a minister or can she teach in a church?My second question is when Paul says women should adorn themselves in modest apparel, is he referring to the way women dress in churches at his time specifically the churches at Ephesus? If the answer is yes, then what about in our generation where women dress in an appealing way to men when going to church? I mean in skirt and tops showing parts of their body? Is this right? Your comments are highly appreciated.Ami
    Heres my answer Ami as you requested, this is my opinion agreement is optional [​IMG]As far as your question on apparel ect I think they apply to both Men and Women IMHO however women can suffer a greater price for not adhering to this rule ... Thus the rule is for their protection as well as keeping mens minds on Godly things ..and silent can refer to chattering,in church again this could apply equaly to men and women but lets be truthful women usally talk more chatter than men .. However Women are not given authority over men .... {Quote} My question is can a woman be a minister or can she teach in a church? { Quote}I could mention Miriam, Deborah, Huldah in the Old Testament and Priscilla, Phoebe in the New Testament. Deborah, she was the only female judge amongst 13 male judges. In relation to Huldah, she was the female prophet among dozens of male prophets mentioned in the Bible. Miriam's connection to leadership due to her being the sister of Moses and Aaron. In the Book of Acts, chapter 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla's name is mentioned first, likely indicating that she was more "prominent" in ministry than her husband.Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women were restricted from is havingl authority over menWomen excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching and helps. Much of the ministry of the church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted to public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only to having authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the Gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15).So women are able to be teachers, given wisdom, knowledge ect. this is without dispute, We also know male and female are equal in relationship to Christ ..However they simply are not given authortiy over men. All this is true however the Bible also gives us the perfect standard by which we are to live In a perfect world this would be very accetable however we do not live in a perfect world Let us look for a moment at the Role men are supposed play as a husband they are to behave as Christ The husband is to assume headship/leadership in the home (1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:23). This headship should not be dictatorial, condescending, or patronizing of the wife, but should be in accordance with the example of Christ leading the Church. “You husbands must love your wives with the same love Christ showed the church. He gave up his life for her to make her holy and clean, washed by baptism and God's word” (Ephesians 5:25-26). Christ loved the Church (His people) with compassion, mercy, forgiveness, respect, and selflessness; in this same way husbands are to love their wives.1 Timothy Chapter 31 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice a novice: or, one newly come to the faith lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; 9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. 11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. Now I might ask how many ministers, preachers, live up to this ??... I say not many... I therefore say that if men do not live up to their Role as ministers, preachers ... In scripture they are hardly in a postion to judge women as this would make them hypocrites.The fact is we have been given perfect rules for an imperfect World...... can we insist one rule be followed without exception, while others are not ? These are rules for us try to live by not commandments ... we live in confusing times ..We are the End Time generation where evil is all around us ..all manners of evil is called good. We need good pastors to lead the sheep period. So I see that Male and Female are equal in relationship to Christ Male and Female are both given authority to Teach under certain circumstances Male and Female are both faithful Servants to the Lord I believe it is for this reason we need to take good meat, from where we can get it, God clearly intends that he will use woman as well as men in this generation Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward , [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh ; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy , your old men shall dream dreams , your young men shall see visionsAct 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God , I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy , and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams : Surely if women are given divine revelation of prophesy by God as he states will happen... we should surley listen
     
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    QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 9 2009, 01:28 PM)
    Vickie, I just want to know that I Corinthians 6:2-4 is not for today's times. These scriptures are for a later time... which is the Millennium Reign.
    Right, we certainly don't judge angels now. The issue as verse 3 expresses is that we having the Holy Spirit now, are to be judging the things of this lifenow amongst each other. What we develop here in knowledge of God's way we are to live by now. Being living examples of what we understand in the Law of God which encompasses the entire Kingdom of God. We become more usable to God, through the living and understanding of God's laws. My point in using I Cor 6 was to show that for judging angels in the coming kingdom, requires Laws of God. That God has laws that have always been and always will be. Women are disciples just like men. We have our place and calling and are very powerful each day of our life, spreading the gospel. I could not in good conscience teach from a pulpit, from what I read, but if a woman feels moved to do this, who am I to tell her no? After all we all have to work out our own salvation with trembling and fear. One thing I am learning more about it that we don't all have to agree on an issue, other than loving one another and God. vickiethanks vickie
     
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