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  1. 07-07-07

    07-07-07 Active Member

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    As it's written in the Scripture of truth, one cannot engage in the works of the flesh and expect to inherit the Kingdom of God.

    Galatians 5
    [19] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,[20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
     
  2. justbyfaith

    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    A question: must we consistently walk according to the Spirit to be able to enter in?

    If we blow it from time to time and end up doing a work of the flesh, are we disqualified from salvation?

    What if we are performing works of the flesh more consistently but are confessing it every time?
     
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    What are sinners saved by grace, who are assailled by temptation and frequently fall into sin to do?
     
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    prism Blood-Soaked

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    The works of the flesh as listed in the OP are a result of failed self effort attempts of trying to attain righteousness by the law rather than by God's Spirit (of grace). This is the main message of Galatians and Paul sums it up here...

    Galatians 3:2-5 NASBS
    [2] This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? [3] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? [4] Did you suffer so many things in vain-if indeed it was in vain? [5] So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

    This is why in chapter 5 Paul compares 'the works of the flesh' with 'the fruit of the Spirit' our self efforts of works (flesh) produce vss 5:19-21: whereas when our trust is in Jesus and His acts of grace, the result is fruit..spiritual fruit, found in vss 5:22-23 because it is what God's Spirit produces in us as His children.
     
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    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    Is there really anyone who walks consistently according to the Spirit?

    Who behaves according to the flesh 0% of the time?
     
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    When we do perform those works of the flesh after having encountered and entered into the better Way, what was out expectation? Did we expect God to accept our repentance one more time? If we did were we not tempting God? While so tempting God, if we were to run out of time, would we reached the limit of God? In the wilderness, most of the Israelites, all having been saved out of Egypt, rebelled against God 10 times[Num 14:22] and died rather than entering into the Promised Land.

    Consider then God who is always fair and who never changes!
     
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    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    Pro 24:16, For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
     
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    prism Blood-Soaked

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    I think it is the other way around. We walk according to the Spirit because we have (already) entered in. Jn 5:24. Eph 2:6 etc.

    Jesus expects us to forgive those who trespass against us (7x70/day) how much more perfect/gracious is His forgiveness?

    Hebrews 12:6-7 (KJV) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? ...IOW, He has His ways.

    But hopefully this is not the case...
    Hebrews 12:8 (KJV) But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
     
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    1Jn 2:15 KJV* Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
    16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
    17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
     
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    Just keep in mind forgiveness of others requires repentance by others.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    The Old Testament do not offer baptism of the Holy Spirit.

    Once a year they had to do was sacrifice to cover the sins of the past year.

    Christ covered our sins, past present and future.

    Remember the born-again have a new heart mind and their spirits.

    So if one continues in your life as before they felt they were saved they were not saved.
     
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    prism Blood-Soaked

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    We are already to forgive them in our heart before their repentance so that when they ask for forgiveness we pronounce our forgiveness verbally to them.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Where do you find that the Bible?
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Paul addressed that. He said he tries and tries to never sin but sins daily.

    The Bible makes it clear we are going to struggle soon to either our death or rapture.
     
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    prism Blood-Soaked

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    Forgiveness must already be in our heart on the basis of God forgiving us ALL our sins. Their offense is minor in comparison to our guilt before God. If we don't already have forgiveness in our hearts, what are we going to do, fake it when a person asks us to forgive them?
     
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    A new man in an old body still has an old body, but is a new man nonetheless, for his new life is not in his flesh.
     
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    Entrance into the Kingdom of God is through the New Birth (John 3), which is only for those who repent and believe, and then receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. So just as a baby cannot be "unborn", a child of God cannot be unborn.
    No you are not disqualified from salvation, but you are disqualified from fellowship (1 John 1-2).
    Then you are just playing games. Get serious.
     
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    Thank you coreissue.
    I was hoping the op would reply to show whether he did understand that he is teaching ;sinless perfection'.
    I suspect as he hasn't replied that he has realised he's promoting a false message.
     
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    The only reason why we deem "sinless perfection" to be a false message, is because we find that we do not have it ourselves; and surely something that we do not have personally cannot be a reality in anyone's life?
     
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    I agree; but what do you make of the following:

    Rom 8:12, Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
    Rom 8:13, For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
    Rom 8:14, For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
     
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