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You can never lose your salvation!

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  1. Tommy061

    Tommy061 New Member

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    AS long as you are doing your part by:

    Working out your salvation each and every day with great fear and trembling!

    Keeping yourself, holy, and pure, undefiled from this perverse world and generation!

    Have departed from Iniquity!

    Have already crucified your flesh with all its passions and desires as commanded, through repentance!

    Have ceased from sin (wilful rebellion and complacency towards God)!

    Defending and contending earnestly for the truth!

    Are enduring to the end, through purity, sincerity and love!

    Keeping yourself in the love of God, by doing His will!

    Never letting your faith (faithfulness) becomes shipwrecked!

    Guarding your heart and mind from all the pollutants of the world!

    There and many more I am sure I missed, but when you say you can never lose your salvation, then blame some mysterious sin nature and provision on your inability to obey Gods commands, then your salvation and foundation is built on sinking sand!

    God laid down the way to the cross through His precious son, Jesus Christ, who shed His precious blood to set the captives free for real, not in provision.

    God gave His creation their part to do, working together with Him, 2 Cor 6-1, is a dynamic, and glorious synergistic process, built on an obedient faith, that obeys God from the heart, 1 Peter 1-22, and walks dead to sin, and alive to God, to the bitter end!

    It is a works salvation; do not let anyone tell you otherwise! ( A faith that works by love)

    ‘Not of works’ means the rituals and ceremonies of law, not the Deeds of faith that uphold the law by loving God and keeping His Commandments and doing what is right. Faith is imputed as Righteousness because it obeys God, walks upright; is fully persuaded and confident in God’s exceedingly great and precious promises. (Rom4:12, 19-22, 2Pet1:3-4) Believing in Christ means obeying His Word and Doing what is Right. (Jh14:15, 1Jh3:7-8) he who sins (rebellion) is a Slave to sin and of the devil. (Jh8:34, 1Jh3:8).

    PS. You will be a new creation, have a new heart, and your life will be 100% different from the way it was before your conversion, called producing good fruit. But if there is NO change, NO good fruit, and you are just like before, just like the unsaved in the world, and still in much bondage to sin and the world, then you are not born of the spirit, you have never repented, and are still dead in your sins. You never had salvation, but still have a chance to become born again, and allow the blood of Christ to purge and cleanse your soul once and for all, so you can be sure of your eternal destiny, and be secure in your faith!
     
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  2. bbyrd009

    bbyrd009 Groper

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    isn't the "self" that we are trying to get "saved" the same self that is supposed to "decrease," that we are to "die to?"

    welcome, btw :)
     
  3. EndTimeWine

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    What does it mean to be a CHRISTIAN?
     
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    Another perfect person.
    I'm starting to understand why some hate it when I use the word "works".

    I agree 100% with all you've said.
    Except the following:

    [when we have]
    Have ceased from sin (wilful rebellion and complacency towards God)!

    What sin is not willful?
    I don't believe we ever stop sinning...
    (not that I'm encouraging it)
     
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    I would like to add 2Peter1:10 Therefore, brethren, be the MORE zealous to CONFIRM your call and ELECTION, for if you do this you will never fall; so there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the Eternal Kingdom of our Lord and Savior Yeshua(Jesus) Christ. God Bless!
     
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    What are we called to? Is it to- perfection or mediocrity ? What does, "BE THOU PERFECT AS YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER IS PERFECT" mean? You seem to be missing the purpose of Yesua's mission. For us to accomplish this without Christ it is IMPOSSIBLE but with Him all things are possible , which is perfection! You may still may be outside of Christ, since you question every word of Christ and His apostles, who are to teach us how to be PERFECT. Not all people reach it at the same time. But there are people more along on their journey than you obviously, simply in the fact that they do not QUESTION THE LORD!
     
  7. GodsGrace

    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    I checked your age.
    CUTE!
    So, since you know everything,
    what was Jesus' mission?

    No comment on the above which, BTW, you have just committed a sin since you judged the condition of my soul.

    And as you judge others, so will you be judged.
    Mathew 7
     
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    NO, the condition of your soul you revealed by the fact you QUESTION THE LORD. And if you are TRULY CHRISTIAN then you know the Lords mission. Christianity101.
     
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    You just sinned again by questioning the condition of my soul.
    Which only God knows, not YOU.
     
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    I'll bet you don't know Jesus' major mission.
    Go look it up on Google.
    You'll learn something and be surprised at the same time.
     
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    Danta Bella Gosa!
    And to whom the Lord reveals it to. If you were CHRISTIAN , your sins would not be obvious but your love of Christ would. This means you would not question His Words if you were a follower. Judgment is a verdict passed by God as to were your soul will go when life on earth ends. Discernment is not the same as judgement. And even a dog can smell that you are NOT, kosher. For even a beginner, in Christ knows His mission and it is a non- subject. And a TRUE follower Professes Christ not U2! Secular nonsense.
     
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    Either your subject is a lie or your post #1 is a lie. Either way you have presented a lie. You need to rethink and correct one of them.

    Stranger
     
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    18It is good that you grasp the one and do not let the other slip from your hand. For the one who fears God will end up with both of them.
     
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    now i guess you are trying to instruct the Lord lol
     
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    "As long as you are doing your part" Being the operative phrase, HELLO!
     
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    PEOPLE HATE PERFECTION! I guess because it requires giving all of yourself to the Lord.God Bless!
     
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    Whatever you ask in prayer you will receive. Pray to be perfect!
     
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    hmm, good luck with that. I couldn't find it written anywhere
     
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    What are you? Do the believers have to catch the Lord- those little foxes- the antagonist. Canticle of Canticles.
     
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    a ship, passing by in the night, mostly, i guess.

    The rest seems rhetorical?
     
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