RANDOR said:
You deny the power, you make fun of the power, you ridicule the power, and most of all....you seek no power.
You carry a match and expect to fight the darkness.
Justifying in your own mind....that the power can't be. satan smiles.
International Standard Version 2nd, Timothy3:5
They will hold to an outward form of godliness but deny its power. Stay away from such people.
Ok so seeings as this is here, and Randors obviously not coming back, I may as well make use of it.
Though I see some merit in this kind of out pouring, ( in the way of seeking to experience Gods Spiritual power ). this kind of child like back lash is really indicative of those who cultivate little to no structure in their dogmas.
This dogma was attacked on these grounds and as predicted it came down like a led zeppelin. Its one thing to be full of the joy of the Lord in out pourings and encouragement, its quite another to turn it in to a contest of who's the most spirituality enriched among us. When people put themselves up on that type of plain they become objects of intense speculation, they are ruled by their emotions and they chastise any reasoning that may run contrary to their own dogma, right to the point of rejecting biblical truths in order to continue to perpetuate what by that point serves as more of a fantasy than a real experience. The ideology dictates that if you feel left out by their strong convictions that you are being somehow convicted and rebuked, often the OP'er would say "well if you havent experienced it yet then......"
my son and his mate came back from their bible course one evening telling me that speaking in tongues is proof of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. that you know if you have the Spirit if you start to talk in tongues. He said that hes going to start praying for the ability to talk in tongues so that he can know if he has the Spirit.
This annoyed me no end, my son who has given his life to Christ is now feeling as though he needs to be talking in tongues in order to be sure that his election is true.
I rang the school to see what was going on and I was assured by the teacher that he must have misunderstood what he was being told. I took me sometime to reassure him that he doesn't need to be talking in tongues in order to be sure of his salvation.
The other night I was at a prayer group meeting and there was a lot of talking in tongues. later when the leader ask me what I thought I politely thanked him allowing me the honor to sit with them and then I asked him about the tongues and ask him why they seem to repeat the same sounds over and over while doing it, for example "Barababa baba ba" seems to be common and is repeated in almost every line. His answer to me was that sometimes they run out of things to say in prayer so they choose to pray like that, still as a type of out pouring but in gibberish (for lack of a better word). I was shocked, I was being told that they were knowingly and willingly speaking in gibberish because they wanted to continue in worship but had merely run out of things to say. It confirmed in me what I had always thought.
Dont get me wrong, Im not trying to cultivate an attitude of a doubting Thomas but when I see these things going on it attaches a stigma to worship which is forced over-spiritualism and incredibly unattractive. We all see the consequences on this forum of bad doctrine and heresy, these people come and go here spouting their unreasonable un-biblical apostasy, and as soon as we provide the answer they skulk off somewhere else because their flimsy structures can not stand up against the Word of reason.
I feel the same is true for this type of hyper-spirituality, when you stand up to it with the Word of truth, it falls flat on its face and it runs away to find its own.
