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ZECHARIAH 14​

Many folks believe that this chapter adds to the knowledge about the second coming of the Lord, but I disagree. I believe this chapter and Ez. 38 each give us a look at the time at the end of the millennium. I think the confusion begins w/ vs. 1 where it says”Behold, the day of the Lord cometh”. A lot of folks think that everything in the scriptures that speak of the “day of the Lord” all occur in “one day”, however, I believe scripture shows that it lasts for over a 1000 yrs. and the whole of the millennium is part of the DoL as well. There are at least two times in the OT where the phrase DOL is referring to something that has already occurred and that is when Babylon conquered Egypt, Jer. 46:2, 10 and Ez. 30:3-6 around 500bc. If the future Dol is 1000 yrs.+ then it’s likely that different aspects of it throughout its duration can all seem to be described as “when the day of the Lord cometh”.

Several things occur during the DOL that could each be described as a coming. The signs before it begins, the days of the trumpet judgments, the rapture, the days of the vial judgments, Armageddon, the day of the eternal “triumphal entry” into Jerusalem when born again Israel escorts Jesus as King of Kings, Lord of Lord and as Messiah into Jerusalem when they fulfill Dan. 9:24 by bringing in “everlasting righteousness,” the millennial reign and the final battle for Jerusalem when satan is loosed after the 1000 yrs.

I think this is the case w/ Zech. 14. The main spiritual purpose of the 70th week is for Israel to repent of their national sins (Dan. 9:24) and accept Christ as Messiah on a national level. The physical aspect of it involves the judgment upon all the unrepentant in the world.

Zech. 12 & 13 portray the physical salvation of Judah (Armageddon), the spiritual salvation of Judah and other events including the refining of the 1/3 of Israel that will enter the millennium retaining their humanity. I believe Zech. 14 (along w/ Ez. 38) starts w/ satan’s return after the thousand years to destroy Jerusalem after the as described in Rev. 20:8-9.

Then we come to Zech. 14:3 - “Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.” If you were to ask anyone today what historic battle that is referring to, no one has a clue. While the Lord was with Israel in all their victories in the Promised Land, there isn’t one recorded where the Lord “fought” the battle for them. But that is exactly how Armageddon will be described and it will be so memorable that the folks at the end of the millennium will still remember it well. This is written as if it was an event that happened many years ago which will be the reality of Armageddon.

So let’s take that as our starting point and then put vss. 4-5 in their proper perspective and put them in at the end of the millennium. There is nothing in these verses that hint of a descent and a landing, that is all presumed by the reader. If Jesus was already here and had been for a thousand yrs., it will be a short walk to the Mount of Olives and Jesus will know that the Father is about to destroy those armies once and for all.

There is no prophecy that has Jesus setting foot on Earth prior to Armageddon so the belief that this is how Jesus saves His people from Armageddon defies logic especially as that is already prophesied in Rev. 12:14 and it’s not described as ‘running” into a valley, no they are running towards planes and we were recently shown how that would be accomplished when we departed Afghanistan in a hurry, but don’t worry I’m sure God will do a better job than Biden did!

Now most of us believe that after the millennium will be when the New Heaven and the New Earth are brought about and the NJ descends to hover above the earth. Interestingly enough, vss. 6-8 describes that time and it echoes the prophecy of Rev. 22:2-5 but then it goes back in vss. 9-11 and gives us a little more detail about the millennial era. Verse 11 is a reminder of the millennial prophecy, imo, of Ez. 38:11. Verse 12 seems to go back to how satan and his armies will be destroyed in Rev. 20:9. Verses 13-21 brings us back towards life in the millennium.

Now I agree this seems to be a lot of going back and forth in time but when you consider the reality of “telescoping” prophecy where the prophets see the mountaintop of events but not the valleys of time between them and many times they are not given in the order they occur. The book of Daniel has a little history, present time, near future and far future in it. The timings of the prophesies in Isaiah are all over the place going back and forth pretty consistently and Ezekiel does so as well, so Zechariah is not alone in this.



I think if people understand this and remove it from their premill series of events they will get a clearer picture about the timing of the rapture and the events of the 70th week.
 

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ZECHARIAH 14​

Many folks believe that this chapter adds to the knowledge about the second coming of the Lord, but I disagree. I believe this chapter and Ez. 38 each give us a look at the time at the end of the millennium. I think the confusion begins w/ vs. 1 where it says”Behold, the day of the Lord cometh”. A lot of folks think that everything in the scriptures that speak of the “day of the Lord” all occur in “one day”, however, I believe scripture shows that it lasts for over a 1000 yrs. and the whole of the millennium is part of the DoL as well. There are at least two times in the OT where the phrase DOL is referring to something that has already occurred and that is when Babylon conquered Egypt, Jer. 46:2, 10 and Ez. 30:3-6 around 500bc. If the future Dol is 1000 yrs.+ then it’s likely that different aspects of it throughout its duration can all seem to be described as “when the day of the Lord cometh”.

Several things occur during the DOL that could each be described as a coming. The signs before it begins, the days of the trumpet judgments, the rapture, the days of the vial judgments, Armageddon, the day of the eternal “triumphal entry” into Jerusalem when born again Israel escorts Jesus as King of Kings, Lord of Lord and as Messiah into Jerusalem when they fulfill Dan. 9:24 by bringing in “everlasting righteousness,” the millennial reign and the final battle for Jerusalem when satan is loosed after the 1000 yrs.

I think this is the case w/ Zech. 14. The main spiritual purpose of the 70th week is for Israel to repent of their national sins (Dan. 9:24) and accept Christ as Messiah on a national level. The physical aspect of it involves the judgment upon all the unrepentant in the world.

Zech. 12 & 13 portray the physical salvation of Judah (Armageddon), the spiritual salvation of Judah and other events including the refining of the 1/3 of Israel that will enter the millennium retaining their humanity. I believe Zech. 14 (along w/ Ez. 38) starts w/ satan’s return after the thousand years to destroy Jerusalem after the as described in Rev. 20:8-9.

Then we come to Zech. 14:3 - “Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.” If you were to ask anyone today what historic battle that is referring to, no one has a clue. While the Lord was with Israel in all their victories in the Promised Land, there isn’t one recorded where the Lord “fought” the battle for them. But that is exactly how Armageddon will be described and it will be so memorable that the folks at the end of the millennium will still remember it well. This is written as if it was an event that happened many years ago which will be the reality of Armageddon.

So let’s take that as our starting point and then put vss. 4-5 in their proper perspective and put them in at the end of the millennium. There is nothing in these verses that hint of a descent and a landing, that is all presumed by the reader. If Jesus was already here and had been for a thousand yrs., it will be a short walk to the Mount of Olives and Jesus will know that the Father is about to destroy those armies once and for all.

There is no prophecy that has Jesus setting foot on Earth prior to Armageddon so the belief that this is how Jesus saves His people from Armageddon defies logic especially as that is already prophesied in Rev. 12:14 and it’s not described as ‘running” into a valley, no they are running towards planes and we were recently shown how that would be accomplished when we departed Afghanistan in a hurry, but don’t worry I’m sure God will do a better job than Biden did!

Now most of us believe that after the millennium will be when the New Heaven and the New Earth are brought about and the NJ descends to hover above the earth. Interestingly enough, vss. 6-8 describes that time and it echoes the prophecy of Rev. 22:2-5 but then it goes back in vss. 9-11 and gives us a little more detail about the millennial era. Verse 11 is a reminder of the millennial prophecy, imo, of Ez. 38:11. Verse 12 seems to go back to how satan and his armies will be destroyed in Rev. 20:9. Verses 13-21 brings us back towards life in the millennium.

Now I agree this seems to be a lot of going back and forth in time but when you consider the reality of “telescoping” prophecy where the prophets see the mountaintop of events but not the valleys of time between them and many times they are not given in the order they occur. The book of Daniel has a little history, present time, near future and far future in it. The timings of the prophesies in Isaiah are all over the place going back and forth pretty consistently and Ezekiel does so as well, so Zechariah is not alone in this.



I think if people understand this and remove it from their premill series of events they will get a clearer picture about the timing of the rapture and the events of the 70th week.
Zechariah Chapter 14 Represents The "Eternal Kingdom" After The Day Of The Lord

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which
is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee
to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day,
that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass,
that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and
from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And
men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
 

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ZECHARIAH 14​

Many folks believe that this chapter adds to the knowledge about the second coming of the Lord, but I disagree. I believe this chapter and Ez. 38 each give us a look at the time at the end of the millennium. I think the confusion begins w/ vs. 1 where it says”Behold, the day of the Lord cometh”. A lot of folks think that everything in the scriptures that speak of the “day of the Lord” all occur in “one day”, however, I believe scripture shows that it lasts for over a 1000 yrs. and the whole of the millennium is part of the DoL as well. There are at least two times in the OT where the phrase DOL is referring to something that has already occurred and that is when Babylon conquered Egypt, Jer. 46:2, 10 and Ez. 30:3-6 around 500bc. If the future Dol is 1000 yrs.+ then it’s likely that different aspects of it throughout its duration can all seem to be described as “when the day of the Lord cometh”.

Several things occur during the DOL that could each be described as a coming. The signs before it begins, the days of the trumpet judgments, the rapture, the days of the vial judgments, Armageddon, the day of the eternal “triumphal entry” into Jerusalem when born again Israel escorts Jesus as King of Kings, Lord of Lord and as Messiah into Jerusalem when they fulfill Dan. 9:24 by bringing in “everlasting righteousness,” the millennial reign and the final battle for Jerusalem when satan is loosed after the 1000 yrs.

I think this is the case w/ Zech. 14. The main spiritual purpose of the 70th week is for Israel to repent of their national sins (Dan. 9:24) and accept Christ as Messiah on a national level. The physical aspect of it involves the judgment upon all the unrepentant in the world.

Zech. 12 & 13 portray the physical salvation of Judah (Armageddon), the spiritual salvation of Judah and other events including the refining of the 1/3 of Israel that will enter the millennium retaining their humanity. I believe Zech. 14 (along w/ Ez. 38) starts w/ satan’s return after the thousand years to destroy Jerusalem after the as described in Rev. 20:8-9.

Then we come to Zech. 14:3 - “Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.” If you were to ask anyone today what historic battle that is referring to, no one has a clue. While the Lord was with Israel in all their victories in the Promised Land, there isn’t one recorded where the Lord “fought” the battle for them. But that is exactly how Armageddon will be described and it will be so memorable that the folks at the end of the millennium will still remember it well. This is written as if it was an event that happened many years ago which will be the reality of Armageddon.

So let’s take that as our starting point and then put vss. 4-5 in their proper perspective and put them in at the end of the millennium. There is nothing in these verses that hint of a descent and a landing, that is all presumed by the reader. If Jesus was already here and had been for a thousand yrs., it will be a short walk to the Mount of Olives and Jesus will know that the Father is about to destroy those armies once and for all.

There is no prophecy that has Jesus setting foot on Earth prior to Armageddon so the belief that this is how Jesus saves His people from Armageddon defies logic especially as that is already prophesied in Rev. 12:14 and it’s not described as ‘running” into a valley, no they are running towards planes and we were recently shown how that would be accomplished when we departed Afghanistan in a hurry, but don’t worry I’m sure God will do a better job than Biden did!

Now most of us believe that after the millennium will be when the New Heaven and the New Earth are brought about and the NJ descends to hover above the earth. Interestingly enough, vss. 6-8 describes that time and it echoes the prophecy of Rev. 22:2-5 but then it goes back in vss. 9-11 and gives us a little more detail about the millennial era. Verse 11 is a reminder of the millennial prophecy, imo, of Ez. 38:11. Verse 12 seems to go back to how satan and his armies will be destroyed in Rev. 20:9. Verses 13-21 brings us back towards life in the millennium.

Now I agree this seems to be a lot of going back and forth in time but when you consider the reality of “telescoping” prophecy where the prophets see the mountaintop of events but not the valleys of time between them and many times they are not given in the order they occur. The book of Daniel has a little history, present time, near future and far future in it. The timings of the prophesies in Isaiah are all over the place going back and forth pretty consistently and Ezekiel does so as well, so Zechariah is not alone in this.



I think if people understand this and remove it from their premill series of events they will get a clearer picture about the timing of the rapture and the events of the 70th week.

Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?​

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And
the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie:
but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
 

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ZECHARIAH 14​

I believe this chapter and Ez. 38 each give us a look at the time at the end of the millennium. I think the confusion begins w/ vs.
Ezekiel Chapters 38/39 Gog-Magog was a battle fought long ago with wooden weapons of warfare, Bows, Arrows, Shields, and Spears

The cities of Israel burnt those weapons above in the fire "Long Ago", your claim this represents a future battle is a big headshake! o_O

Ezekiel 39:8-10KJV
8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord God; this is the day whereof I have spoken.
9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.
 
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I think the confusion begins w/ vs. 1 where it says”Behold, the day of the Lord cometh”.​
No confusion whatsoever, Zechariah 14 explains the day of the Lord in fire Judgement, as Zechariah 14:12 shows men are consumed by fire as they stand on their feet, as 2 Peter 3:10 takes place (The End)

Same Event In The Day Of The Lord's Judgement By Fire Below


Zechariah 14:1 & 12KJV
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But
the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
 

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Zechariah Chapter 14 Represents The "Eternal Kingdom" After The Day Of The Lord

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which
is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee
to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day,
that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass,
that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and
from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And
men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Yes, that is the typical interpretation but it really doesn't stand up to sincere scrutiny.
 

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Ezekiel Chapters 38/39 Gog-Magog was a battle fought long ago with wooden weapons of warfare, Bows, Arrows, Shields, and Spears

The cities of Israel burnt those weapons above in the fire "Long Ago", your claim this represents a future battle is a big headshake! o_O

Ezekiel 39:8-10KJV
8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord God; this is the day whereof I have spoken.
9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.
Would you expect him to say, machine guns, tanks, planes, battleships, helicopters, etc. God simply gave the prophecy in terms they would understand.
 

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A lot of folks think that everything in the scriptures that speak of the “day of the Lord” all occur in “one day”, however, I believe scripture shows that it lasts for over a 1000 yrs. and the whole of the millennium is part of the DoL as well
Firstly, I have reported as spam the post above. We are all tired of the constant cut and paste spamming of discussion threads by this poster.

For us on earth the Day of the Lord, is just one day, the Millennium is plainly stated as a thousand years
The sudden and shocking Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath will be the Sixth Seal world changer, the event which will commence all the end times. leading up to the glorious Return.
There is no prophecy that has Jesus setting foot on Earth prior to Armageddon so the belief that this is how Jesus saves His people from Armageddon defies logic especially as that is already prophesied in Rev. 12:14
Right, but those faithful people go to their place of safety 1260 days before Armageddon. It is NOT a 'rapture'.
 

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No confusion whatsoever, Zechariah 14 explains the day of the Lord in fire Judgement, as Zechariah 14:12 shows men are consumed by fire as they stand on their feet, as 2 Peter 3:10 takes place (The End)

Same Event In The Day Of The Lord's Judgement By Fire Below


Zechariah 14:1 & 12KJV
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But
the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
If everthing is destroyed by fire, what spoil is left to divide? Another logical scenario was offered, believe what you will, whether it's you or me, it's not a sin to be wrong.
 

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Firstly, I have reported as spam the post above. We are all tired of the constant cut and paste spamming of discussion threads by this poster.

For us on earth the Day of the Lord, is just one day, the Millennium is plainly stated as a thousand years
The sudden and shocking Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath will be the Sixth Seal world changer, the event which will commence all the end times. leading up to the glorious Return.

Right, but those faithful people go to their place of safety 1260 days before Armageddon. It is NOT a 'rapture'.
It's not "all" the faithful, just the repentant of Israel and you may believe it to be spam and that's okay, I think your CME event can be described the same way. There is no cut and pasting involved everything is written out on my own, based on decades of study and an openness to a different way of looking at things in line w/ the prophecy that both secular knowledge and prophetic knowledge will increase in these latter days. You've been stuck in a prophetic rut for over a decade, maybe you should open up a little.
 

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Would you expect him to say, machine guns, tanks, planes, battleships, helicopters, etc. God simply gave the prophecy in terms they would understand.
Oh Sure, Wooden Bows, Arrows, Shields, and Spears, now become tanks, machine guns, planes, battleships, and helicopters, Big Smiles!

Don't forget Israel is going to burn these modern weapons for fuel, having no need to take wood from the forest for "Seven Years" More Big Smiles!

Amazing How Far One Will Go, In Trying Desperately To Maintain A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, thats found No Place In Scripture

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If everthing is destroyed by fire, what spoil is left to divide? Another logical scenario was offered, believe what you will, whether it's you or me, it's not a sin to be wrong.
Zechariah 14:1-2 represents the future fulfilling of the gentiles, when Jerusalem is trodden under foot 42 months, Revelation 11:2

Zechariah 14:3-5 represents the second coming in the day of the Lord

Zechariah 14:6-11 represents the eternal kingdom revealed after the day of the Lord takes place

Zechariah 14:12 is a recap showing the day of the Lord in fire and final Judgement, also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-12 (The End)

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
 

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Many folks believe that this chapter adds to the knowledge about the second coming of the Lord, but I disagree. I believe this chapter and Ez. 38 each give us a look at the time at the end of the millennium.
I know why you think this, but the problem is you are not realizing how God wrote the Book of Revelation (BoR), He gave it to His son Jesus to give to his servant John who basically dictated it via visions and words spoken by angels. So, we get all of these Old Testament flashbacks via the BoR and we can see them if we look carefully. For instance Rev. 17 is merely Dan. 5 (Mene, Mene Tekel) retold and it is basically telling us the Harlot is ALL False Religion of All time. Rev. 12 gives us the Birth of Jesus via Israel (The Woman). The Four Horses come from Zechariah chapter 6 I think, maybe earlier in the chapter even though the First 5 Seals are really all just pointing unto the soon to come Anti-Christs 42 month rule. (In other words it would have been better if it were 5 Horses, lol).

Ezekiel 37 is about Israel getting reborn as a Nation. Ezekiel 38-39 are about the Gog and Magog War, its easy to see this is not the Anti-Christ (the Anti-Christ wins at first, see Zech. 14:2 He WINS there) but God destroys Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38 and 39. So, God used an Old Testament story to RETELL the Gog and Magog original story, but why? Because He will consume both by fire from Heaven. The latter is consumed after the 1000 year reign, but it is not the Gog & Magog war of Ezekiel 38 and 39. So, this is kind of a weird Prophesy because unlike most other Revelation Prophesies, the original Gog war has yet to happen, if it had already happened we could obviously see and understand it as a part of history? But because the Gog war only happens right before or right after the Pre Trib Rapture, it has not happened as of yet. It will very soon however, Russia, Turkey and Iran are the main players in the original Gog war. God only calls the Rev. 20 destruction of the wicked Gog because he will consume them with fire also.

HINT: I think as the New Jerusalem descends, Satan wins his prize (Earth) and he and all of his followers are set ablaze and this whole earth is Hell !! That is why God uses the Gog and Magog comparison. Look below, I will show you why it can not be after the 1000 year reign.

I think the confusion begins w/ vs. 1 where it says”Behold, the day of the Lord cometh”.
Zech. 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

{{{ The ABOVE is the Anti-Christ who is only allowed to go forth Conquering on the DOTL, or the 1260. Notice, Jerusalem is Conquered, no one is Conquering Jesus after he reigns for 1000 years !! THINK NOW. This happens after the Asteroid (Apophis) hits in Rev. 8, the Anti-Christ goes forth conquering. We can then SEE BELOW Jesus shows up (the 7th Vial/7th Trump which is the 3rd Woe). He lands on the Mount of Olives, this is the 2nd Coming, not 1000 years later. The problem is people do not understand God uses texts/scriptures from the Old Testament in order to give us LOOK AHEADS into the future via comparisons just like He did in Daniel 11:21-34 He showed us Antiochus who was the ARCHETYPE of the coming end time Anti-Christ/Beast/Little Horn in verses 36-45. }}}

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

NOTICE the THEN? That is 1260 days after the DOTL arrives, just like Matt. 24:29-30 has a 1260 day divide via the word THEN also.

Matt. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days [starts] shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light(This happens via the Rev. 8 Asteroid Impact), and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then (1260 days later just like in Zech. 14:3) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation is referring to the Sun and Moon going dark/dimming by 1/3. THEN Jesus will return 1260 days later.

The DOTL indeed lasts for 1000 years, well plus the 3.5 years of God's Wrath, but in Zech. 14:3 we see Jesus' Second Coming, so that makes the timing of this chapter obvious. All clues have to be added together via prophesy.

I think this is the case w/ Zech. 14. The main spiritual purpose of the 70th week is for Israel to repent of their national sins (Dan. 9:24) and accept Christ as Messiah on a national level. The physical aspect of it involves the judgment upon all the unrepentant in the world.

Zech. 12 & 13 portray the physical salvation of Judah (Armageddon), the spiritual salvation of Judah and other events including the refining of the 1/3 of Israel that will enter the millennium retaining their humanity. I believe Zech. 14 (along w/ Ez. 38) starts w/ satan’s return after the thousand years to destroy Jerusalem after the as described in Rev. 20:8-9.
Zech. 13 is my fav. chapter, later on when I have more time I will go over it here verse by verse.
 
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Oh Sure, Wooden Bows, Arrows, Shields, and Spears, now become tanks, machine guns, planes, battleships, and helicopters, Big Smiles!

Don't forget Israel is going to burn these modern weapons for fuel, having no need to take wood from the forest for "Seven Years" More Big Smiles!

Amazing How Far One Will Go, In Trying Desperately To Maintain A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, thats found No Place In Scripture

In Love,, Jesus Is The Lord
Bows, arrows, shields and spears are fairly small items just about the right size to be used as kindling. A shield would never fit in a home fire so it would have to be broken down to kindling size pieces. I've been using a wood stove for about 20 yrs. and if you only used kindling size pieces to burn all day you would probably burn a thousand pieces a day, multiply that by hundreds of thousands... you catch my drift. They could have belonged to an army of a million men and they would hardly last a nation of people for a year, if that. Please a little common sense should be used.
 
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I know why you think this, but the problem is you are not realizing how God wrote the Book of Revelation (BoR), He gave it to His son Jesus to give to his servant John who basically dictated it via visions and words spoken by angels. So, we get all of these Old Testament flashbacks via the BoR and we can see them if we look carefully. For instance Rev. 17 is merely Dan. 5 (Mene, Mene Tekel) retold and it is basically telling us the Harlot is ALL False Religion of All time. Rev. 12 gives us the Birth of Jesus via Israel (The Woman). The Four Horses come from Zechariah chapter 6 I think, maybe earlier in the chapter even though the First 5 Seals are really all just pointing unto the soon to come Anti-Christs 42 month rule. (In other words it would have been better if it were 5 Horses, lol).

Ezekiel 37 is about Israel getting reborn as a Nation. Ezekiel 38-39 are about the Gog and Magog War, its easy to see this is not the Anti-Christ (the Anti-Christ wins at first, see Zech. 14:2 He WINS there) but God destroys Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38 and 39. So, God used an Old Testament story to RETELL the Gog and Magog original story, but why? Because He will consume both by fire from Heaven. The latter is consumed after the 1000 year reign, but it is not the Gog & Magog war of Ezekiel 38 and 39. So, this is kind of a weird Prophesy because unlike most other Revelation Prophesies, the original Gog war has yet to happen, if it had already happened we could obviously see and understand it as a part of history? But because the Gog war only happens right before or right after the Pre Trib Rapture, it has not happened as of yet. It will very soon however, Russia, Turkey and Iran are the main players in the original Gog war. God only calls the Rev. 20 destruction of the wicked Gog because he will consume them with fire also.

HINT: I think as the New Jerusalem descends, Satan wins his prize (Earth) and he and all of his followers are set ablaze and this whole earth is Hell !! That is why God uses the Gog and Magog comparison. Look below, I will show you why it can not be after the 1000 year reign.


Zech. 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

{{{ The ABOVE is the Anti-Christ who is only allowed to go forth Conquering on the DOTL, or the 1260. Notice, Jerusalem is Conquered, no one is Conquering Jesus after he reigns for 1000 years !! THINK NOW. This happens after the Asteroid (Apophis) hits in Rev. 8, the Anti-Christ goes forth conquering. We can then SEE BELOW Jesus shows up (the 7th Vial/7th Trump which is the 3rd Woe). He lands on the Mount of Olives, this is the 2nd Coming, not 1000 years later. The problem is people do not understand God uses texts/scriptures from the Old Testament in order to give us LOOK AHEADS into the future via comparisons just like He did in Daniel 11:21-34 He showed us Antiochus who was the ARCHETYPE of the coming end time Anti-Christ/Beast/Little Horn in verses 36-45. }}}

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

NOTICE the THEN? That is 1260 days after the DOTL arrives, just like Matt. 24:29-30 has a 1260 day divide via the word THEN also.

Matt. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days [starts] shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light(This happens via the Rev. 8 Asteroid Impact), and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then (1260 days later just like in Zech. 14:3) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation is referring to the Sun and Moon going dark/dimming by 1/3. THEN Jesus will return 1260 days later.

The DOTL indeed lasts fir 1000 years, well plus 3.5 years, but in Zech. 14:3 we see Jesus' Second Coming, so that makes the timing of this chapter obvious. All clues have tom be added together via prophesy.


Zech. 13 is my fav. chapter, later on when I have more time I will go over it here verse by verse.
If you think these events could happen soon, the gist of Ez. 38:11 is that Israel has been dwelling for a long period of time in safety w/ no walls. Israel today is full of walls and no treaty is going to make them take them down for at least several years. Who do you think the a/c is going to be conquering? Not Israel, he will be their de facto leader as a false messiah and that is where the a/c's headquarters will be. It's going to take time for many of Israel to accept his claims. The real messiah couldn't convince them in 3 1/2 yrs. The first seal is the a/c conquering by "deception", not war because the "bow" being referred to is not the weapon. Regarding 14:3, read it again, it is written as a fulfilled, historic event for the people of the time written about. If one can't come up w/ a biblical historic battle that God fought for them that the people of today will remember at just the mention of it, I'd like to know where it is in scripture. If one can't come up w/ one than Armageddon is the most reasonable answer. You're right all clues and all prophecies must be taken into consideration and Ez. 38 and Zech. 14 just don't fit the biblical premill scenario and if one maintains an unscriptural pre-trib eschatology they'll never get things right and I was pre-trib for 20 yrs. or more before God opened my eyes to its fallacies.
 

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Zechariah 14:1-2 represents the future fulfilling of the gentiles, when Jerusalem is trodden under foot 42 months, Revelation 11:2

Zechariah 14:3-5 represents the second coming in the day of the Lord

Zechariah 14:6-11 represents the eternal kingdom revealed after the day of the Lord takes place

Zechariah 14:12 is a recap showing the day of the Lord in fire and final Judgement, also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-12 (The End)

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Jerusalem was trodden down by gentiles for 1900 yrs. before 1948 and the temple mount still is. 2 Pet is after the millennium. Rev. 16:16 says the armies of Armageddon aka Har-Megiddo, not Jerusalem but in Rev. 20:8 they are actually gathered against Jerusalem. You do realize that the a/c will be the leader of Israel as the false messiah, right? They are part of his 10 nation confederacy so he has no interest in destroying Israel. The armies at Armageddon are gathered to fight against the a/c's dictatorship, not Israel per se.
 

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I hope y'all realize that the word "day" has several meanings in both the old and new testaments, In both of them it could also be translated as an 'age", "a while", "years", "everlasting", "for ever", a season", "a period of time", etc. Locking into a single day w/o being open to these other possibilities just narrows ones concept of the whole of prophecy.
 

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Bows, arrows, shields and spears are fairly small items just about the right size to be used as kindling. A shield would never fit in a home fire so it would have to be broken down to kindling size pieces. I've been using a wood stove for about 20 yrs. and if you only used kindling size pieces to burn all day you would probably burn a thousand pieces a day, multiply that by hundreds of thousands... you catch my drift. They could have belonged to an army of a million men and they would hardly last a nation of people for a year, if that. Please a little common sense should be used.
You claim God's clear words below as written by Ezekiel the prophet are lies?

Ezekiel 39:9-10KJV
9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.
 

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ZECHARIAH 14​

Many folks believe that this chapter adds to the knowledge about the second coming of the Lord, but I disagree. I believe this chapter and Ez. 38 each give us a look at the time at the end of the millennium. I think the confusion begins w/ vs. 1 where it says”Behold, the day of the Lord cometh”. A lot of folks think that everything in the scriptures that speak of the “day of the Lord” all occur in “one day”, however, I believe scripture shows that it lasts for over a 1000 yrs. and the whole of the millennium is part of the DoL as well.
The "Day of the Lord" speaks generically of a *time* when something happens. It is the context that determines whether a prophecy is speaking of a single day or of an entire period that is being initiated.
There are at least two times in the OT where the phrase DOL is referring to something that has already occurred and that is when Babylon conquered Egypt, Jer. 46:2, 10 and Ez. 30:3-6 around 500bc. If the future Dol is 1000 yrs.+ then it’s likely that different aspects of it throughout its duration can all seem to be described as “when the day of the Lord cometh”.
The phrase DOL is also evident in other prophecies, though the term may assume different forms. For example...
Isa 13.6 Wail, for the day of the Lord is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty.
Several things occur during the DOL that could each be described as a coming. The signs before it begins, the days of the trumpet judgments, the rapture, the days of the vial judgments, Armageddon, the day of the eternal “triumphal entry” into Jerusalem when born again Israel escorts Jesus as King of Kings, Lord of Lord and as Messiah into Jerusalem when they fulfill Dan. 9:24 by bringing in “everlasting righteousness,” the millennial reign and the final battle for Jerusalem when satan is loosed after the 1000 yrs.
I also am a Millennialist. I believe the Day of the Lord is sometimes defined as the literal day Christ comes back to initiate the period of a thousand years. This period also initiated the time of God's eternal Kingdom, which the glorified saints will inherit. It's just that establishing God's Kingdom on a still-mortal earth requires that mortal humanity wait to inherit that Kingdom until their own resurrection at the end of the thousand years.

I think this is the case w/ Zech. 14. The main spiritual purpose of the 70th week is for Israel to repent of their national sins (Dan. 9:24) and accept Christ as Messiah on a national level. The physical aspect of it involves the judgment upon all the unrepentant in the world.
I believe the 70 Weeks Prophecy was completed at Christ's 1st Coming. Trying to bring Dan 9 into discussions of the endtimes, therefore, creates needless confusion--just my opinion.

Zech. 12 & 13 portray the physical salvation of Judah (Armageddon), the spiritual salvation of Judah and other events including the refining of the 1/3 of Israel that will enter the millennium retaining their humanity. I believe Zech. 14 (along w/ Ez. 38) starts w/ satan’s return after the thousand years to destroy Jerusalem after the as described in Rev. 20:8-9.
Zech 12-14, for me, compresses the two Comings of Christ. It talks about Christ's initial rejection as well as about his return to save national Israel. The description of the salvation of national Israel takes place, in my view, at the 2nd Coming.

I think the prophecy of Gog in Eze 38-39 refers to the time of Israel's national salvation as well, at the 1st Coming. However, Rev 20 talks about the same people rising up at the end of the Millennial period, as well. These are two different occasions, in my view.

Since this is future prophecy we have to remain humble and admit we're only speculating. This is not the kind of dogma we should get overly judgmental about, as some do. Our main task in this age is to focus on Christ as our salvation and on our job of communicating that to the world, whether for their salvation or for their judgment. But it's a very interesting subject for all of us interested in eschatology. Thanks for your thoughts.
 

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If you think these events could happen soon, the gist of Ez. 38:11 is that Israel has been dwelling for a long period of time in safety w/ no walls. Israel today is full of walls and no treaty is going to make them take them down for at least several years. Who do you think the a/c is going to be conquering? Not Israel, he will be their de facto leader as a false messiah and that is where the a/c's headquarters will be. It's going to take time for many of Israel to accept his claims. The real messiah couldn't convince them in 3 1/2 yrs. The first seal is the a/c conquering by "deception", not war because the "bow" being referred to is not the weapon.
You (like a lot of great preachers I trust in almost everything else) miss the forest here for the trees. Whilst those preachers are waiting on the "COMING" Psalm 83 Wars, they missed the fact that the the Psalm 83 war(s) have already passed. I watched Brother Reagan (Lamb & Lion ministry) one day on the "final 9 wars" to come in the end time on Youtube. So, as I am want to do (LOL) I dug in, just like I did with Daniel 11 and 12 when I did an Exegesis that covers every king and player in Dan. 11 including Cleopatra, where I discovered a Jewish High Priest named Jason(real name Yeshua), who bribed Antiochus in order to be named High Priest, having his Pious High Priest brother Onias III killed. He then welcomed Antiochus into the temple to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus on God's altar. Jason then mandated that all Jews become Hellenized, which led to the Maccabean Revolt. So, via my studies, God showed me not only was Antiochus the archetype Anti-Christ BUT......he had along by his side the archetype False Prophet. Now I knew the end time False Prophet would be a Jewish High Priest like unto Jason.

Just like above, I dug in deep and I looked at all the names in the Psalm 83 war. I saw Mr. Reagan say the Psalm 83 war never had a declared victor, and it hit me as I looked at all of the skirmishes/wars from 1948 to around 2010ish and all the players in those wars can be seen as coming against Israel for those 60 some odd years, and its the exact same nations that are named in Psalm 83 via who their seed were. They said lets wipe Israel off the map in Psalm 83, well that is what they tired to do, but overall, to no avail. Then what happened around 2010? Iran was given the ability to go Nuclear via the Obama Administrations negotiations.

This made these same nations like Egypt, Jordan, the Saudis, UAE etc. etc. and Israel have a common goal, to stop a Nuclear Iran from ruling the region. Trump got elected via a minor miracle or a miracle by God's Divine Intervention. No Dem or Republican would have brought forth the Abraham Accords, Trump did. Now for the first time ever a UAE Royal Airplane landed in Israel last month, the Saudis and Israelis are at peace, and the Abraham Accords has brought this "Peace" which you say doesn't exist. But in days of old you had to have walls up to protect yourself, but in reality, you do not need walls up today to protect yourself except for against a few lunatic extremists who in reality can never defeat a nation. The United States has few walls and we could protect ourselves if needed, the walls nit being there doesn't matter at all on our borders. The writer was simply relaying the Message of Peace by saying they live in "UNWALLED VILLAGES" but the peace is in the fact that when the Gog and Magog War happens not one nation with a common border with Israel is seen in that Gog & Magog war. So, Israel being at peace with her immediate neighbors is what the Prophet Ezekiel was relaying unto us. Not some abstract walls being up. If you are waiting for walls to come down you will miss it.

Just like the Euphrates River "DRYING UP" is a metaphor, modern day armies do not need rivers to try up in order to cross them do they? The River drying up is just God stopping His Plagues against the Nations long enough to get the cowards to come out of their hiding places in the caves etc. etc. etc., where Satan/the Beast/False Prophet can deceive the nations/kings into going to Jerusalem to try and kill off the Jews, because they rightly see the Two-witnesses as having brought forth all of these plagues via their prayers. After they die, the nations start thinking they can get revenge. God HALTS His plagues (dries up the River) long enough to get them to go to Israel where Jesus can wipe them all out as he returns. Now, get anyone to argue that modern armies need rivers to dry up in order to cross them, and I will have already defeated them in that debate.

By the way, Israel never accepts the Anti-Christ, that's a misunderstanding of John 5:43, Jesus was speaking of the Pharisees who REJECTED him, but put forth Messianic "Political Leaders" to try and save them from Rome in the 66-70 AD wars. The "Peace" Agreement is simply this, after the Gog and Magog war, Israel will join the E.U. That is all, the E.U. will demand Israel give up her Nukes in order to join the E.U. Then after 3.5 years the President (Anti-Christ) will conquer Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region, therefore becoming The 7th Beast over the region.

They never accept a false messiah. That doesn't even make any sense tbh. Most of the Jews are secular atheists. We know 2/3 will refuse to repent (Zech. 13:8-9) and die. Meanwhile 1/3 repent BEFORE the DOTL arrives in Zech. 14:1. So, 3.5-5 million Jews repent and flee unto the Petra/Bozrah area. The Seals DO NOTHING, the Seals are Jesus in Heaven amidst the Pre Trib Raptured Church opening up the Judgment Scrolls, which only get opened in Rev. 8, that is why the 7th seal is in Rev. 8. The Seals are simply Jesus FORETELLING what will come to pass once God's Wrath finally falls in Rev. 8. Seals 1-5 forecasts the coming Anti-Christs 42 month rule in which he 1.) Conquers for 42 months 2.) Takes away Peace/brings war over 42 months 3.) His wars bring 42 months of famine 4.) His rule brings 42 months of Sickness/Death and the grave. 5.) His rule sees him kill the Gentiles who repent after the Rapture they are thus the Martyrs.

In Seal #6 we are told what will happen when God's Wrath finally falls in Rev. 8. But first the Fleeing Jews in Rev. 7 have to be protected in the Petra/Bozrah area. There is SILENCE in Rev. 8 as the 7th Seal is opened because it is no joyous thing for God to have to unleash His wrath onto mankind, when He flooded the world it repented Him. The heavens are somber, not joyous at the occasion.

Regarding 14:3, read it again, it is written as a fulfilled, historic event for the people of the time written about. If one can't come up w/ a biblical historic battle that God fought for them that the people of today will remember at just the mention of it, I'd like to know where it is in scripture. If one can't come up w/ one than Armageddon is the most reasonable answer. You're right all clues and all prophecies must be taken into consideration and Ez. 38 and Zech. 14 just don't fit the biblical premill scenario and if one maintains an unscriptural pre-trib eschatology they'll never get things right and I was pre-trib for 20 yrs. or more before God opened my eyes to its fallacies.
As per a mans eschatology, I trust nothing a person says about eschatology if they can not get the simple timing of the Rapture right. Satan hoodwinks those who think they have been enlightened, I see it all the time. It is what it is, Satan never stops working.
 
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